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well your just wrong
we would fill it these days as crowds turn up for prem games as sunderland stoke newcastle show us
you have a very low opinion of our fans who would clamour for tickets in the prem

unless theres the capacity you wont get big gates , but 44000 would be do able in this unprecedented era of prem football for those clubs with the pulling power
and with 680000 or so people in sheffield and a transient 70k of students who want to engage with a prem side we would follow a club like sunderland and fill it more often than not
Im gobsmacked some blades have such a downer on blades fans, ability to turn up in numbers , when we do ok in the prem

Im not sure which appalls me more
your lack of belief in the fans
or your lack of belief in the club

Good point well made, when losing an argument based on common sense and reason act like a child and say that the other persons opinion is just wrong (it's you're by the way).

Happy to appall you, I might not sleep tonight having felt the ire of such a revered figure as yourself but in time I will recover.
 
Attendances can sometimes seem to suddenly skyrocket. Just had a quick look at West Ham, from 1990-2001 their average attendance never went above 26,000. The average looks to be about 22,500.

Now they're getting 55,000 in their new stadium. No reason to suggest if we had a 10 year stint in the PL we wouldn't be getting close to 40,000. Assuming we had a big enough ground.

The West Ham situation is a prime example of the massive popularity of the PL roadshow.

West Ham were worried about selling out their 57K stadium.
So they decide to do a Bradford with cheap season tickets.
WH charged £300 and at that price loads of neutrals and anyone with a passing interest to WH were willing to pay. You can see for the lesser matches a good 10,000 empty in that stadium.
Paying £300 in London means some of the tourists season ticket holders pick and choose their matches.

Current evidence suggests we probably have about 30K proper fans.

However you need to factor in 50K potential fans and floaters in the SY area.
If we returned to the PL and charged £250 adults, kids 10 to 17 £50 and kids under 10 free.
I reckon we'd sell 30K season tickets instantly even with a poor team.
Then we'd look to target the students, floating support and even neutrals who just love football.

So my point is 40K+ average gates are do able BUT only with agressive marketing and low pricing.
 
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for sake of repeating:

THE KOP SEATS ARE SHIT FOR ANY ONE OVER 6 FEET TALL !

It is of low rake and does not hold any future (built on earth) for a club that should/has ambitions to get back to the premier league.

It needs dropping when finances are available and rebuilding from scratch - with all the problems of capacity that brings.

The underneath could have decent facilities that can (hopefully) allow kopites to buy beer/food at decent prices and drink/eat in relative space.

For the ones that went to peterborough recently, there was probably MORE space under the stand we had (for 2.500) than what is presently available under South stand for 8,000. SS is a fucking nightmare when it's full - certainly designed in/for the 70's and not for now.

UTB
 
for sake of repeating:

THE KOP SEATS ARE SHIT FOR ANY ONE OVER 6 FEET TALL !

It is of low rake and does not hold any future (built on earth) for a club that should/has ambitions to get back to the premier league.

It needs dropping when finances are available and rebuilding from scratch - with all the problems of capacity that brings.

The underneath could have decent facilities that can (hopefully) allow kopites to buy beer/food at decent prices and drink/eat in relative space.

For the ones that went to peterborough recently, there was probably MORE space under the stand we had (for 2.500) than what is presently available under South stand for 8,000. SS is a fucking nightmare when it's full - certainly designed in/for the 70's and not for now.

UTB

Cant see SU ever rebuilding the Kop from scratch, makes no business sense.

Why would anyone invest so much in a stadium upgrade with such a small return which could take decades to recoup the costs. It's not a vanity project, any stadium upgrade must have a business plan.

The present plans was a low cost project that DOES the most essential upgrades and that is removal of the pillars freeing up 100's of restricted view seats and making bigger concourse areas under cover in shelter away from the elements.

If facilities were improved then should SU increase prices to match the South stand?
I say keep it the cheapest part of the ground with inferior but better facilities and give people choice.

Even with the bolt on design there would still be loads of space in the concourse area for better toilets and food bars, etc because of all the building space at the back of the Kop.

Also if anyone isn't happy with the Kop space then wouldn't you just move to another part the ground with more space. It was standing for decades, surely that was more uncomfortable than now.
Although when I've been on the Kop in some areas it's almost compulsory standing anyway.
 
for sake of repeating:

THE KOP SEATS ARE SHIT FOR ANY ONE OVER 6 FEET TALL !

It is of low rake and does not hold any future (built on earth) for a club that should/has ambitions to get back to the premier league.

It needs dropping when finances are available and rebuilding from scratch - with all the problems of capacity that brings.

The underneath could have decent facilities that can (hopefully) allow kopites to buy beer/food at decent prices and drink/eat in relative space.

For the ones that went to peterborough recently, there was probably MORE space under the stand we had (for 2.500) than what is presently available under South stand for 8,000. SS is a fucking nightmare when it's full - certainly designed in/for the 70's and not for now.

UTB
Good. It evens it out for all the times you lanky fuckers show off by changing light bulbs without a ladder and being good at basketball. It's only footy and planes where we get one up on you top-shelf-users.
 
Good point well made, when losing an argument based on common sense and reason act like a child and say that the other persons opinion is just wrong (it's you're by the way).

I thought it was every blades hope we get up to the prem and stay there a while
to do this we have to maximise out income , we have already plans to do this
the club thinks its possible

but hey ho
you appear to not want to move forward , but stick in the past on out dated ideas



Cant see SU ever rebuilding the Kop from scratch, makes no business sense.

Why would anyone invest so much in a stadium upgrade.

ask aston villa why they did it
 
Wonder if we could rebuild on top of the existing kop, with a higher gradient?
 
The kop really is crap if you sit anywhere further back than row z you will only see the six yard line not a chance of seeing the goal line it really does need bulldozing and starting again from scratch, anything else is just making future problems. Making the rake steeper will increase the height but at the same it will not move the structure closer to the houses on Shoreham street by much if at all. As others say it is a waste of space the kop sitting on a muck heap we should be using that space for club shops and offices rather than sticking them in the kop/south stand corner which should be used for more seats, it is after all a football stadium not a office cum retail park cum student accommodation complex. It will cost more but most of us know that any offices, student flats, shops or hotels will not put a penny into the team they will more than likely be sold off.
 
I thought it was every blades hope we get up to the prem and stay there a while
to do this we have to maximise out income , we have already plans to do this
the club thinks its possible

but hey ho
you appear to not want to move forward , but stick in the past on out dated ideas

ask aston villa why they did it

Chasing revenue has put many a business into bankruptcy.

I'll come at it a slightly different way.... for arguments sake the capacity expansion would cost £10m now and over 10 years MIGHT bring us another £3m each year when completed so in around 2 years time (£600 for 5,000 fans per season) in revenue based on certain assumptions with a probability level attached to them. This is over an above us leaving the stadium as it is now so for arguments sake assumes selling 37k each week at an average of £30 per ticket.

Over the next 10 years that would give us a £30m return on the £10m invested. However due to the time value of money the £3m per year is worth less in the future in real terms than it is today so the £30m over 10 years is worth a fair bit less than the £30m would be today dependent on the clubs cost of capital (i.e. What the yield % is that it would expect on an investment) this is option 1.

Option 2 for the £10m is to buy and pay the wages of a few players who MIGHT get us into PL in the next 2/3 years and therefore the return on the £10m would be much more than the £30m over the next 10 years. Assuming 1 year in the PL is worth £90m then the 10 year value could be around £700m, discounted for the time value of money this is worth a fair bit less but still far more than the revenue generated from a few extra fans also the whole £10m wouldn't be spent in 1 so in real terms we are spending less.

The likelihood of both scenarios are fairly similar and in order for both scenarios to transpire we would need lots of additional investment (i.e. Premiership players and wages). But all things being equal this would be the same in both cases.

Both hypothetical but without the details we don't know the exact numbers. What is clear that a bit of spare cash now would be better spent on the team rather than the stadium. Unless you know of a pot of gold spare to build the stadium with?

Would you choose option 1 or 2? Personally I'd go with Option 2 then when we are in the PL and have the spare cash and demand I'd upgrade the stadium.
 
Lot of assumptions there Des...biggest that £10m will make a significant difference to the club in keeping the side up or getting to the premier league.
Point is...option 2 is dependant on promotion. 6 years in league 1 should highlight that point for you.

Option 1 is guaranteed. New stand costs a big initial outlay, of which ticket revenue will recoup some of that, and other uses the rest.
I would bet that out of the two options, out Chairman would favour option 1 all day long. Especially as after the new stand is in profit, all that revenue can be used season after season on the team. Plus, that investment....just like the Desso pitch, would be treated differently to player investment.

I am no finance expert, but going to a bank...other lender asking for £10m with a clear business plan to recoup the money and interest would stand a far better chance of finding a lender than going for cash on player wages and transfer fees.

Anyway....there is no worry there. KM will always stump up money for such projects as he can earn personally from the loan as any lender would. If I were him and had £10m free to lend the club as an agreed loan repaid over x years, I would expect a nice return on that loan. Fan or not...that's business.
 
Lot of assumptions there Des...biggest that £10m will make a significant difference to the club in keeping the side up or getting to the premier league.
Point is...option 2 is dependant on promotion. 6 years in league 1 should highlight that point for you.

Option 1 is guaranteed. New stand costs a big initial outlay, of which ticket revenue will recoup some of that, and other uses the rest.
I would bet that out of the two options, out Chairman would favour option 1 all day long. Especially as after the new stand is in profit, all that revenue can be used season after season on the team. Plus, that investment....just like the Desso pitch, would be treated differently to player investment.

I am no finance expert, but going to a bank...other lender asking for £10m with a clear business plan to recoup the money and interest would stand a far better chance of finding a lender than going for cash on player wages and transfer fees.

Anyway....there is no worry there. KM will always stump up money for such projects as he can earn personally from the loan as any lender would. If I were him and had £10m free to lend the club as an agreed loan repaid over x years, I would expect a nice return on that loan. Fan or not...that's business.

Yes lots of assumptions, however option 1 would only recoup money if we were in the Premier League as we don't need additional capacity for where we are now or in the Championship. Granted it improves the value of an asset, which should also be taken into consideration but how much are a few thousand extra seats in a stadium worth to an investor?!

In my view we are better spending the cash on the core business of football and getting to the PL. Improving things when we are there and we have the demand is a no brainer.
 
Lot of assumptions there Des...biggest that £10m will make a significant difference to the club in keeping the side up or getting to the premier league.
Point is...option 2 is dependant on promotion. 6 years in league 1 should highlight that point for you.

Option 1 is guaranteed. New stand costs a big initial outlay, of which ticket revenue will recoup some of that, and other uses the rest.
I would bet that out of the two options, out Chairman would favour option 1 all day long. Especially as after the new stand is in profit, all that revenue can be used season after season on the team. Plus, that investment....just like the Desso pitch, would be treated differently to player investment.

I am no finance expert, but going to a bank...other lender asking for £10m with a clear business plan to recoup the money and interest would stand a far better chance of finding a lender than going for cash on player wages and transfer fees.

Anyway....there is no worry there. KM will always stump up money for such projects as he can earn personally from the loan as any lender would. If I were him and had £10m free to lend the club as an agreed loan repaid over x years, I would expect a nice return on that loan. Fan or not...that's business.


The issue is still the ownership of the ground. If KM pays for the upgrade he will want to reap the benefits but if increased gate income produces a profit and is to be split with the Prince that's not going to work for him, you'd have thought (not withstanding any other income from offices etc). So while United would keep the hopefully increased gate receipts I'd expect the rent to increase substantially as things stand.

Hopefully Kev will have a more reasonable expectation of attendances than thinking we will piss 45000 in the PL.
 

Wouldn't a steeper rake and more leg room mean a capacity REDUCTION in the Kop?
 
I dont think wed fill the ground every game but would average 40 k and get full houses against man u chelsea arsenal man city
The plan is to first do the kop that takes us to 37 k ish which is fine for now , getting into the prem and staying there would trigger the second tier on the south stand

I dont expect us to do this , the south stand , for 4 to 7 years time, depending how much game changing investment does materialise
I think you have to be ready to move on this at the earliest opportunity , so plans in place and if we stay in the prem with teams getting vast sums its a possibility

Wednesday desperately need the prem to upgrade hillsborough before it falls down
Id bet good money they wont wait to start improvements to get back over 40k
us contemplating not doing it is why weve never hit the heights , too small minded

doing the kop is part a , then with 35k gates turning up look forward to part b

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England's top division is already the wealthiest in global football, with each team pocketing an average of £80million from central funds each year. Last season Chelsea banked £99m in Premier League prize money while even rock-bottom QPR went down with £64.9m.
its gone up another 30 per cent since 2 years ago
 
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Wouldn't a steeper rake and more leg room mean a capacity REDUCTION in the Kop?

No. If you draw a triangle of the section of the present kop, then draw another one on top of it with a steeper angle, then you will see the hypotenuse has increased in length. So theoretically you can put more rows on it. In practise however, the objective would also be to increase space around individual seats so the end result would be about the same capacity as it is now. So you would still have to take it back further to increase capacity. McCabe obviously realises this and is not going to spend a bomb to finish up with what he has already. Hence the cheapskate option we are being "fed" at the moment.
 
Wonder if we could rebuild on top of the existing kop, with a higher gradient?
we could leave the bottom 10 12 rows as not much would fit under it . can adjust the rake a bit on that
the villa roof I postedis supported only at either end so no footing needed there
 
If it were me Id re apply for the kop rebuild and move it back 10 meters fill in the corners and alow in time bramall lane to move up 10 meters

This is a very sensible idea but the Club are not far sighted enough to adopt it.
It stems from the fact that the footprint is so tight at the BL end , but we have loads of unused space behind the Kop.

My view is that the most the Club will do , until we are actually in the Prem , is extend the back of the Kop and remove the pillars.
There are several reasons militating in favour of this.
We could do with another 3,000 home seats in the Championship and they will be on a steeper rake.
The building work can be cleverly managed so as not to reduce current capacity by very much - because we can't afford to lose ticket revenue or disappoint the extra supporters we have just gained.
The job will be relatively cheap , given we leave the mound in situ.
The increased "space" under the rearward extension can immediately generate significant revenue by making it possible for thousands more folk to spend their money on ale , pies & bovril in the lead-up to the game and at half-time - it is nothing short of a joke that so much potential revenue is lost because we can only serve about 2 dozen people at half-time when the Kop holds 10,000. So the ROI makes the accountants happy.

If BTL & I were doing it , we'd chop the first 10 rows of the bottom of the kop and move the pitch 10 yards towards Shoreham Street.
The benefit of this is long-term and justifies the loss of those seats - about 1,800 (less the number of seats currently behind posts).
The view from Bramall Lane Upper Tier & Westfield Corner is so good , it will barely be affected by the goal moving 10 yards forward.
The view from BL Lower Tier I couldn't give a fuck about , because away fans can go there for now.
Eventually , we will do something better with BLLT , for example make the stand one complete rake from back to front , and the 10 yard move will give us the room to do it.
OK , the seats in the BL end of SS & John Street will find themselves a bit "stranded" , but they are netted-off anyway , so no loss.
And shifting the pitch and front of the Kop backwards towards Shoreham Street will facilitate much better corner-infilling.

But I fear the Club will not take this far-sighted view and will leave the pitch where it is.
A pity , because should we ever make it to the Prem , any sensible redevelopment (ie: not Lopsided like Newcastle) , would shunt the pitch towards Shoreham Street to equalize the space around the footprint.

So we end up with approx 35,000 capacity for the Championship , of which I would give BLLT to away fans , even if I had to completely alter their access & egress and lock them in for 10 minutes at the end of the match.
32,000 is PLENTY for home fans in the Championship.
And we couldn't afford to do any more.

However , if we ever got to the Prem , "it's a whole new ball game".

The revenue from the gate is no longer our survival money , because of the TV & other income.
So we can afford to CLOSE sections of the ground for redevelopment and not worry too much about loss of gate money.
Somthing that's not possible in the Championship.
So at that stage , we can test the market for our Prem product and invest in the ground accordingly.

But where I differ with BTL is that such ground expense is not a short-term priority.
"If you build it , they will come" WILL NOT WORK AT SUFC.
Because if we want to compete at the top end of the Championship , we'll need every penny for players.

And if we've spent it on a snazzy ground , and are in the bottom half of the Championship , we'll have an embarrasing number of empty seats.
Just like the pigs have for years & years.
And who wants to be like a pig in oceans of empty seats ?

And if we spend it on the ground
 
I dont think wed fill the ground every game but would average 40 k and get full houses against man u chelsea arsenal man city
The plan is to first do the kop that takes us to 37 k ish which is fine for now , getting into the prem and staying there would trigger the second tier on the south stand

I dont expect us to do this , the south stand , for 4 to 7 years time, depending how much game changing investment does materialise
I think you have to be ready to move on this at the earliest opportunity , so plans in place and if we stay in the prem with teams getting vast sums its a possibility

Wednesday desperately need the prem to upgrade hillsborough before it falls down
Id bet good money they wont wait to start improvements to get back over 40k
us contemplating not doing it is why weve never hit the heights , too small minded

doing the kop is part a , then with 35k gates turning up look forward to part b

from the mail
England's top division is already the wealthiest in global football, with each team pocketing an average of £80million from central funds each year. Last season Chelsea banked £99m in Premier League prize money while even rock-bottom QPR went down with £64.9m.
its gone up another 30 per cent since 2 years ago


You were saying 38/39k last night. Now it's 35 in a 37 k stadium.

You also said in the PL we'd piss 45k. Now it's an average of 40.
 
This is a very sensible idea but the Club are not far sighted enough to adopt it.
It stems from the fact that the footprint is so tight at the BL end , but we have loads of unused space behind the Kop.

My view is that the most the Club will do , until we are actually in the Prem , is extend the back of the Kop and remove the pillars.
There are several reasons militating in favour of this.
We could do with another 3,000 home seats in the Championship and they will be on a steeper rake.
The building work can be cleverly managed so as not to reduce current capacity by very much - because we can't afford to lose ticket revenue or disappoint the extra supporters we have just gained.
The job will be relatively cheap , given we leave the mound in situ.
The increased "space" under the rearward extension can immediately generate significant revenue by making it possible for thousands more folk to spend their money on ale , pies & bovril in the lead-up to the game and at half-time - it is nothing short of a joke that so much potential revenue is lost because we can only serve about 2 dozen people at half-time when the Kop holds 10,000. So the ROI makes the accountants happy.

If BTL & I were doing it , we'd chop the first 10 rows of the bottom of the kop and move the pitch 10 yards towards Shoreham Street.
The benefit of this is long-term and justifies the loss of those seats - about 1,800 (less the number of seats currently behind posts).
The view from Bramall Lane Upper Tier & Westfield Corner is so good , it will barely be affected by the goal moving 10 yards forward.
The view from BL Lower Tier I couldn't give a fuck about , because away fans can go there for now.
Eventually , we will do something better with BLLT , for example make the stand one complete rake from back to front , and the 10 yard move will give us the room to do it.
OK , the seats in the BL end of SS & John Street will find themselves a bit "stranded" , but they are netted-off anyway , so no loss.
And shifting the pitch and front of the Kop backwards towards Shoreham Street will facilitate much better corner-infilling.

But I fear the Club will not take this far-sighted view and will leave the pitch where it is.
A pity , because should we ever make it to the Prem , any sensible redevelopment (ie: not Lopsided like Newcastle) , would shunt the pitch towards Shoreham Street to equalize the space around the footprint.

So we end up with approx 35,000 capacity for the Championship , of which I would give BLLT to away fans , even if I had to completely alter their access & egress and lock them in for 10 minutes at the end of the match.
32,000 is PLENTY for home fans in the Championship.
And we couldn't afford to do any more.

However , if we ever got to the Prem , "it's a whole new ball game".

The revenue from the gate is no longer our survival money , because of the TV & other income.
So we can afford to CLOSE sections of the ground for redevelopment and not worry too much about loss of gate money.
Somthing that's not possible in the Championship.
So at that stage , we can test the market for our Prem product and invest in the ground accordingly.

But where I differ with BTL is that such ground expense is not a short-term priority.
"If you build it , they will come" WILL NOT WORK AT SUFC.
Because if we want to compete at the top end of the Championship , we'll need every penny for players.

And if we've spent it on a snazzy ground , and are in the bottom half of the Championship , we'll have an embarrasing number of empty seats.
Just like the pigs have for years & years.
And who wants to be like a pig in oceans of empty seats ?

And if we spend it on the ground

well tottenham doing a big change changing the orientation of the pitch , but theres no reason why we cant consider moving the kop back
, and introducing a new lower half bramall lane end above the current one reaching out from the upper deck front wall raking to 10 12 meters out from its current position , . I could be done with steel work and wouldnt be overly expensive
 
This is a very sensible idea but the Club are not far sighted enough to adopt it.
It stems from the fact that the footprint is so tight at the BL end , but we have loads of unused space behind the Kop.

My view is that the most the Club will do , until we are actually in the Prem , is extend the back of the Kop and remove the pillars.
There are several reasons militating in favour of this.
We could do with another 3,000 home seats in the Championship and they will be on a steeper rake.
The building work can be cleverly managed so as not to reduce current capacity by very much - because we can't afford to lose ticket revenue or disappoint the extra supporters we have just gained.
The job will be relatively cheap , given we leave the mound in situ.
The increased "space" under the rearward extension can immediately generate significant revenue by making it possible for thousands more folk to spend their money on ale , pies & bovril in the lead-up to the game and at half-time - it is nothing short of a joke that so much potential revenue is lost because we can only serve about 2 dozen people at half-time when the Kop holds 10,000. So the ROI makes the accountants happy.

If BTL & I were doing it , we'd chop the first 10 rows of the bottom of the kop and move the pitch 10 yards towards Shoreham Street.
The benefit of this is long-term and justifies the loss of those seats - about 1,800 (less the number of seats currently behind posts).
The view from Bramall Lane Upper Tier & Westfield Corner is so good , it will barely be affected by the goal moving 10 yards forward.
The view from BL Lower Tier I couldn't give a fuck about , because away fans can go there for now.
Eventually , we will do something better with BLLT , for example make the stand one complete rake from back to front , and the 10 yard move will give us the room to do it.
OK , the seats in the BL end of SS & John Street will find themselves a bit "stranded" , but they are netted-off anyway , so no loss.
And shifting the pitch and front of the Kop backwards towards Shoreham Street will facilitate much better corner-infilling.

But I fear the Club will not take this far-sighted view and will leave the pitch where it is.
A pity , because should we ever make it to the Prem , any sensible redevelopment (ie: not Lopsided like Newcastle) , would shunt the pitch towards Shoreham Street to equalize the space around the footprint.

So we end up with approx 35,000 capacity for the Championship , of which I would give BLLT to away fans , even if I had to completely alter their access & egress and lock them in for 10 minutes at the end of the match.
32,000 is PLENTY for home fans in the Championship.
And we couldn't afford to do any more.

However , if we ever got to the Prem , "it's a whole new ball game".

The revenue from the gate is no longer our survival money , because of the TV & other income.
So we can afford to CLOSE sections of the ground for redevelopment and not worry too much about loss of gate money.
Somthing that's not possible in the Championship.
So at that stage , we can test the market for our Prem product and invest in the ground accordingly.

But where I differ with BTL is that such ground expense is not a short-term priority.
"If you build it , they will come" WILL NOT WORK AT SUFC.
Because if we want to compete at the top end of the Championship , we'll need every penny for players.

And if we've spent it on a snazzy ground , and are in the bottom half of the Championship , we'll have an embarrasing number of empty seats.
Just like the pigs have for years & years.
And who wants to be like a pig in oceans of empty seats ?

And if we spend it on the ground


Catering rights are sold on. The licensing fee would increase but I doubt anyone would make a bid on us based on 40k gates initially.
 
I want an 80k stadium
I'm sick of all these lily-livered unambitious fans on here who can't see the potential.

Ask Real Madrid or Barca if 40k is enough.
 
You were saying 38/39k last night. Now it's 35 in a 37 k stadium.

You also said in the PL we'd piss 45k. Now it's an average of 40.
what ever the final design we go fay , the number isnt verified yet as it could change
I said wed piss 45k gates against the big clubs
if we stay as long as sunderland or stoke or west brom it will slowly build up to more as the years go by
a top ten finish in a future year might see us looking to increase in size again
 
The increased "space" under the rearward extension can immediately generate significant revenue by making it possible for thousands more folk to spend their money on ale , pies & bovril in the lead-up to the game and at half-time - it is nothing short of a joke that so much potential revenue is lost because we can only serve about 2 dozen people at half-time when the Kop holds 10,000. So the ROI makes the accountants happy.

Been saying that for years. It's a massive missed opportunity. Why does the club think that so many fans on the kop turn up to the game late? It's because you can't get any food or drink in the ground without queuing for half an hour.

Let's turn the waste ground by the kop into a massive Munich-style beer hall and open the doors at 11.30am. Double revenue on match day, that would.
 
I never said anything about needing an 80k stadium ,,,,,,,,,
 
I want an 80k stadium
I'm sick of all these lily-livered unambitious fans on here who can't see the potential.

Ask Real Madrid or Barca if 40k is enough.


well atletico are moving to a 67000 seater stadium
wasnt long back before they competed that they struggled to get 28000

shows what tv rights money can do
its 15 k more than the vincentes calderons current capacity
but atletico are only averaging 44k this season
but they are going for it

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All this 'get to the prem' chatter makes me shudder...

Can we just keep our eyes on getting out of the third division, please? Job is far from done.

When you can't get a pie on a damp Tuesday against Ipswich, we'll revisit the issue!
 

Lots of very fanciful ideas on this thread.

I don't want a new stadium. John street is fine as it is. Bramall lane end is fine as it is. South stand is fine as it is. Kop needs posts removing and some more seats at a steeper angle, sorry, take, at the back

Put a pointless enterprise centre that you sometimes get to go to on training days between kop and South stand.

Exactly like they've said they're going to, and perfectly sufficient.

Stick another Ellen road style massive tier on the south stand when I'm dead sometime way into the future.

New stadium, claptrap.
 

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