New prices at the lane

[bypassblade]

The fans have stuck with this club through the dark ages in League One and have arguably kept it afloat (someone who knows the accounts well can correct me), and I would have thought some of the super huge money we've got from TV/sponsorship deals could/would be set aside to freeze prices or at the very least not to rip people off.

Yes the fans stuck with the club but when you love a club unconditionally it's what people do, some of us have seen even darker days than you. If I'm being totally honest I don't think United ripping fans off, they are just competing with market forces.

Yes they may seem to have done it all at once but, I'm sick of us being a "nice" club that wins now't let's be ruthless it's dog eat dog out there when teams come to BDTBL let them be scared of coming.

We've not dined at the "top table" often enough in my lifetime and I probably won't see another promotion, yes they handled the tickets badly but the ticket office is renowned for this. All you fans that can go then go, and on Sunday sing loud and proud I'll be sat on sofa as I say but I'll have a tear in me eye.

Years ago my ex wife said to me "you think more of United than me", I turned round and said "I think more of Wednesday than I do you". I and thousands have loved United all our lives and sadly, through more bad times than good that's why I hate to see kids in say Man Utd shirts you come from Sheffield you're either a Blade or a pig no in-between.

We've got our best manager and team in years let's not balls it up falling out with them over ticket's or the price of a programme or a pie & pint COYRAWW.

 

[I should coco]

Take a look at the other 95% of the post and discuss that if you want to do something constructive for a change instead of trying to snitch someone up.

Grow up, nobody is 'snitching you up'.

Do you mean the other 95% of the post with random 'facts', as conveniently made up by you?

You're forgetting that on top of that we will be generating another £30-40m from ST sales, sponsorship, non-ST gate money, corporate, transfer sell-ons, catering, ground advertising etc.

Another £30-£40m on top of last year? Why do transfer sell ons suddenly go up as a result of being in the Prem?

If the £40m transfer tally you quote is correct, and I'm not disputing it, then there is no way United have paid £30m up front. Where on earth have you got that figure from? About a third of the total will be hitting United's account this year.

It is normal for about 50% to be paid up front. Do you have any evidence at all that we have managed to negotiate 33% up front fees?

In any event the balance will still be owing, whatever league we happen to be in.

United having a wage bill of £60m? No chance

For 2016/17 (and remember wages will have gone up since then), little old Burnley had a bill of £61m.

A club-by-club breakdown of wages in the Premier League & Championship - Planet Football

It's easy to see how Newcastle got promoted.

www.planetfootball.com

Please feel free to constructively disagree (or just call me an idiot).

 

[Penny Black tart]

Well thankfully the club have reversed their ticketing decision enabling more fans to go to the game this Sunday.

However this only adds to a worrying trend that has taken some of the shine/goodwill off SUFC.

1. Programs going up to £3.50 = Yes it's the first increase since 2004, and I don't buy them, but is it really necessary? How much more money are the club going to make off this across the season? Let's be generous and say 10,000 are sold a game (assuming none stop buying them), that's around £90,000 extra a season, chicken feed for the club. That's £9 extra season per fan, some of whom will be lucky to be paid that per hour in difficult economic times. Are there any extra costs attached in making the program? Are the new features really worth it? Posting this out on Twitter with a smiling face isn't exactly endearing either.

2. Prices for food/drink increasing = Now I appreciate that this is only a rumour from another thread, but again the same sort of formula/questions applies to first point. There have been complaints for years about the quality/speed of service I await to hear whether it will be up to scratch this time, and also whether the cashless policy is a success.

3. Cost of football shirts= This is more tricky as there are regulations with sponsors etc. However it's undeniable that more and more fans are getting fake replica shirts at a quarter of the price, and who can blame them? I don't condone it but again I ask, do they really have to be so expensive?

4. The ticketing fiasco. Firstly the membership card for £40 which appears by all accounts to be completely pointless and a rip-off as doesn't have any clear benefits. Then denying legitimate fans the chance to get in. They corrected the 500 point minimum policy (better late than never) but then used the club statement not to apologize/acknowledge their mistake towards those affected, but rather appear to put it on Crystal Palace for not selling out. We should have sorted this out weeks ago. Also the ticket office... it's understaffed and the staff that are there are often overwhelmed. No-one should blame the staff on the front line, they appear to be put out on a limb with no support except to rigidly stick to the script their managers (who are never available) give them.

The club may have benefited financially from our promotion, but we as fans haven't. Sheffield isn't the most affluent city in the country, just because you might be able to get away with these increases doesn't mean you should.

The fans have stuck with this club through the dark ages in League One and have arguably kept it afloat (someone who knows the accounts well can correct me), and I would have thought some of the super huge money we've got from TV/sponsorship deals could/would be set aside to freeze prices or at the very least not to rip people off.

There is much that the club has done right and should be/have been commended for, however I just wonder if this has either bred a little bit of complacency and/or neglect in some areas. I appreciate the ownership issue isn't very helpful but I can't see how it significantly affects these areas.

SUFC are lucky that football isn't like supermarkets where customers don't switch easily from Tescos to Lidl for example. However should these trends continue, and the other football teams in the region get a bit more savvy, you could see long term loss towards them from the next generation.

well I have just looked at the Palace web site, we have nothing to moan about, the cost their home tickets would get at ours a ticket plus a Childs ticket plus a programme.

 

[FMBlade1]

Overall yes the club has done well, perhaps I didn't make that clear enough in the OP, and I admit the phrase 'rip-off' is unfair and take that back. I'd say 'charge more than they appear to need to' in some areas. This sums up my take on this subject perfectly:

£104 - the bargain price of a Bayern Munich season ticket... and German chief explains why it puts rip-off Premier League to shame

It seems Bayern Munich - by popular opinion the best team in Europe right now - can do little wrong off the pitch either. The Bavarian giants have some of the cheapest season tickets anywhere in the world, with an adult one in the standing section at the Allianz Arena costing just £104.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'In the soundbite, from last year, he says: 'We could charge more than £104. Let's say we charged £300. We'd get £2m more in income but what's £2m to us?

'In a transfer discussion you argue about that sum for five minutes. But the difference between £104 and £300 is huge for the fan.

'We do not think the fans are like cows, who you milk. Football has got to be for everybody.'

I can only guess figures, but I would imagine that whatever increase/profit we'll get from food/drink/shirt/program will not be significant to the overall financial status of the club but will have a more significant financial impact on each fan.

If we're losing lower-income fans that's a loss to our club and our ethos. Some will say 'that's tough' and 'so be it' but for me that's a shame, I wouldn't want us to become like Manchester United in that regard (taking it to the extreme but you will see my point).

 

[Linz]

Threads merged

 

[Sean Thornton]

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Overall yes the club has done well, perhaps I didn't make that clear enough in the OP, and I admit the phrase 'rip-off' is unfair and take that back. I'd say 'charge more than they appear to need to' in some areas. This sums up my take on this subject perfectly:

£104 - the bargain price of a Bayern Munich season ticket... and German chief explains why it puts rip-off Premier League to shame

It seems Bayern Munich - by popular opinion the best team in Europe right now - can do little wrong off the pitch either. The Bavarian giants have some of the cheapest season tickets anywhere in the world, with an adult one in the standing section at the Allianz Arena costing just £104.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'In the soundbite, from last year, he says: 'We could charge more than £104. Let's say we charged £300. We'd get £2m more in income but what's £2m to us?

'In a transfer discussion you argue about that sum for five minutes. But the difference between £104 and £300 is huge for the fan.

'We do not think the fans are like cows, who you milk. Football has got to be for everybody.'

I can only guess figures, but I would imagine that whatever increase/profit we'll get from food/drink/shirt/program will not be significant to the overall financial status of the club but will have a more significant financial impact on each fan.

If we're losing lower-income fans that's a loss to our club and our ethos. Some will say 'that's tough' and 'so be it' but for me that's a shame, I wouldn't want us to become like Manchester United in that regard (taking it to the extreme but you will see my point).

Indecisive FM Blade

 

[snootyfenooty]

Excellent to see you attempting to join an actual discussion for a change instead of trolling on the sidelines. And yep, its you who's talking like an idiot now (note: talking like one, not accusing you of being one). Now where to start:

Another £30-£40m on top of last year? Why do transfer sell ons suddenly go up as a result of being in the Prem?

I never said another £30-40m on top of last year, I said another £30-40m on top of the £100m we will get from Sky/EPL

I never said transfer sell-ons were a result of being in the PL, I said they would be a component of the £140m turnover I estimated for the current year.

It is normal for about 50% to be paid up front. Do you have any evidence at all that we have managed to negotiate 33% up front fees?

I've no idea what is normal to be paid up front and neither have you. I said about a third will be hitting United's accounts this year, which is normal accounting practice, i.e. transfer sum amortised over length of contract (3 years in my example). Ask your Uncle Sean and he'll confirm this for you.

For 2016/17 (and remember wages will have gone up since then), little old Burnley had a bill of £61m.

Yep, but we're not there yet. Don't forget you and the other small-timers are still only aspiring to be like Burnley. We will get there (and probably exceed that figure) once we've washed out the old guard in our squad. I said this in my previous post but obviously you haven't digested this yet.

Stick to trolling and snitching cocopops, you're better at it.

 

[Stanthemanfan]

Season ticket rise
Match day price rise
Programme price rise
Kit price rise
Catering price rise
Membership price rise
Plus no smoking or cash
Thanks for your loyal support blades
Welcome to the premier league!

 

[diode_blade]

The Premier League's going to turn us into a right bunch of cunts.

Thought we were already, according to rest of the knowledgeable punditry on the twat tv box

 

[georgebernardshaw]

 

[Stanthemanfan]

At the lane
At the lane
We'll have ya fukin pants down at the lane!

 

[s4-blade]

Season ticket rise - Cheapest in the league by a mile
Match day price rise - Cheaper than the majority of the league and half the league below
Programme price rise - More pages, actually paying less per page
Kit price rise - Better materials used by adidas
Catering price rise - Fake news (and also not managed by the club)
Membership price rise! - oh well
Plus no smoking - Good
or cash - not true
Thanks for your loyal support blades
Welcome to the premier league!

You’re welcome

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Season ticket rise
Match day price rise
Programme price rise
Kit price rise
Catering price rise
Membership price rise
Plus no smoking or cash
Thanks for your loyal support blades
Welcome to the premier league!

Expected.
Expected.
Expected considering its 100 pages.
Expected
Expected.
Expected.
No smoking is great. Cash is still available.

 

[S5Blade]

Overall yes the club has done well, perhaps I didn't make that clear enough in the OP, and I admit the phrase 'rip-off' is unfair and take that back. I'd say 'charge more than they appear to need to' in some areas. This sums up my take on this subject perfectly:

£104 - the bargain price of a Bayern Munich season ticket... and German chief explains why it puts rip-off Premier League to shame

It seems Bayern Munich - by popular opinion the best team in Europe right now - can do little wrong off the pitch either. The Bavarian giants have some of the cheapest season tickets anywhere in the world, with an adult one in the standing section at the Allianz Arena costing just £104.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'In the soundbite, from last year, he says: 'We could charge more than £104. Let's say we charged £300. We'd get £2m more in income but what's £2m to us?

'In a transfer discussion you argue about that sum for five minutes. But the difference between £104 and £300 is huge for the fan.

'We do not think the fans are like cows, who you milk. Football has got to be for everybody.'

I can only guess figures, but I would imagine that whatever increase/profit we'll get from food/drink/shirt/program will not be significant to the overall financial status of the club but will have a more significant financial impact on each fan.

If we're losing lower-income fans that's a loss to our club and our ethos. Some will say 'that's tough' and 'so be it' but for me that's a shame, I wouldn't want us to become like Manchester United in that regard (taking it to the extreme but you will see my point).

Yes, whats 2m to them... winning the league every year, making a fortune from player sales and an absolute shit ton of cash from Champions league football.... 2m to them is fuck all. 2m to us is probably quite important. Talk about trying to compare apples to oranges.

 

[diode_blade]

If I owned a company whose head of sales had not put a price rise in for 15 years, I’d be sacking him

Have a word with crab industries head of sales, he charged me 2 groats, 1 woolly mammoth and a bag of dessicated pig nuts for a half and half scarfe.....flipping inflation alright....

 

[I should coco]

I've no idea what is normal to be paid up front and neither have you. I said about a third will be hitting United's accounts this year, which is normal accounting practice, i.e. transfer sum amortised over length of contract (3 years in my example). Ask your Uncle Sean and he'll confirm this for you.

The OP started off on a simplistic cash accounting basis of the Sky money, but now you are talking about amortising transfer fees. It is NOT normal accounting practice to mix the two.

I'd imagine that if Uncle Sean has any sense, he'll have long given up by now.

Yep, but we're not there yet. Don't forget you and the other small-timers are still only aspiring to be like Burnley. We will get there (and probably exceed that figure) once we've washed out the old guard in our squad. I said this in my previous post but obviously you haven't digested this yet.

Insults aside, are you actually disagreeing with the OP's £60m wages?

I only posted Burnley as a similarly constituted squad (i.e home grown and mainly ex championship). As you've moved the goalposts and are now calling me a small timer, I presume you accept that the wage be will actually be around £60m, so I presume you will apologise to the OP shortly for calling him an idiot?

Stick to trolling and snitching cocopops, you're better at it.

Wow! What a put down. Fairly strange that only people who post gratuitously inaccurate rubbish, see me as a 'troll'.

BTW, calling me cocopops doesn't upset me.

Obviously it wastes a few hours of my life with another trip to the side splitting hospital, but it really doesn't wind me up.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Season ticket rise
Match day price rise
Programme price rise
Kit price rise
Catering price rise
Membership price rise
Plus no smoking or cash
Thanks for your loyal support blades
Welcome to the premier league!

You sound like you’re in your 80’s, my dad says exactly the same.
But if everyone had that attitude nothing would ever move on and progress.
Increase the quality usually means an increase in price. If you prefer budget then non league football is probably the best option, but arguably the product is a bit crap.

 

[shorehamview]

Season ticket rise
Match day price rise
Programme price rise
Kit price rise
Catering price rise
Membership price rise
Plus no smoking or cash
Thanks for your loyal support blades
Welcome to the premier league!

I can see this getting merged with the other thread about prices, but £350 ish on the Kop for the season is £18 ish per match.
In other words, a fucking steal.
All the other purchases are purely optional, and the no cash bit is misleading as the kiosks will be mostly no cash, but not entirely.

 

[Akinbiyi]

Season ticket rise
Match day price rise
Programme price rise
Kit price rise
Catering price rise
Membership price rise
Plus no smoking or cash
Thanks for your loyal support blades
Welcome to the premier league!

Were you expecting prices to go down considering we’re being sold a better product?

 

[Dronfield Blade]

If you want value for money get yourself to Hillsborough............

 

[Bert]

Bert's Premier League season ticket £260. What a rip off.

 

[originaltrueblade]

Other clubs are far more expensive than we are. Only downer I now have to bring my bloody wheelbarrow for 100 page program

 

[blademark]

Other clubs are far more expensive than we are. Only downer I now have to bring my bloody wheelbarrow for 100 page program

Wheelbarrows only £80

 

[ben1987]

Assume you’re still travelling to match days by horse and cart.

 

[McGrath]

If you want value for money get yourself to Hillsborough............

They've already get promoted with 44 games remaining. Now that's value for money!

 

[McGrath]

You'd still like to think that with £100 million of TV money flowing through the accounts that they'd like to give the fans something back.

Didn't Hudderfield do something when they got promoted

 

[snootyfenooty]

The OP started off on a simplistic cash accounting basis of the Sky money, but now you are talking about amortising transfer fees. It is NOT normal accounting practice to mix the two.

I'd imagine that if Uncle Sean has any sense, he'll have long given up by now.



Insults aside, are you actually disagreeing with the OP's £60m wages?

I only posted Burnley as a similarly constituted squad (i.e home grown and mainly ex championship). As you've moved the goalposts and are now calling me a small timer, I presume you accept that the wage be will actually be around £60m, so I presume you will apologise to the OP shortly for calling him an idiot?



Wow! What a put down. Fairly strange that only people who post gratuitously inaccurate rubbish, see me as a 'troll'.

BTW, calling me cocopops doesn't upset me.

Obviously it wastes a few hours of my life with another trip to the side splitting hospital, but it really doesn't wind me up.

Thankfully business doesn't operate on a "simplistic cash accounting basis", your version, the OP's or anyone elses. And no, I stated that the wage bill at present will be nowhere near £60m p.a. with what we have now but it will likely do so once we have replaced the old guard with fresh stock. How many times do I have to repeat this before it registers with you?

So to summarise, I've asserted that :

United's turnover will be around £140m for the current year comprising about £100m sky/EPL money plus another £40m from their own resources
About a third of transfer fees, about £13m, will hit the accounts as a debit this year
I've said that I've no idea what the up-front payments for transfers is and neither have you
That United's wage bill is nowhere near £60m yet but could be in the near future.

Now all of this seems to have got you frothing for reasons I cannot explain. They are perfectly reasonable assumptions and the best you can come up with is that I'm speaking "gratuitously inaccurate rubbish".

If you are unable to discuss this in a coherent manner then I suggest you put your dummy back in and keep it there.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Anyone suggesting Uniteds prices area rip off is a bell end.
Check out the competition.

Fact is, that’s the price of football. Personally, I feel it’s too expensive in ALL tiers of the game.
However, I won’t get stung for food and drink prices as I won’t pay it. My stance with a kit, is that unless the shirt for that season has some memorable reason for buying it I will, and even then I will wait til it’s reduced back end of the season. (Bought two recently after years of saving the money!)
Programmes...not a collector. They just get read at half time then sit in a drawer gathering dust so I don’t bother with them either.

If I was in the position to buy a season ticket I would do, but work and distance make it impossible. Maybe when I retire that will be my treat to myself. But the cost per game being less than £20 is a bargain IMHo.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

tbh anyone who can't go 90 minutes without a pint deserves to pay 5 quid for it.

I can get through the 90 minutes fine, it's the 15 minutes at H/T I wan't a pint.

 

[FMBlade1]

Yes, whats 2m to them... winning the league every year, making a fortune from player sales and an absolute shit ton of cash from Champions league football.... 2m to them is fuck all. 2m to us is probably quite important. Talk about trying to compare apples to oranges.

Will the price increase in food, drinks, shirts and programs really amount to 2 million extra for us?