New Manager ?

[metalblade]

They signed him up to a 3 year deal . We have , already , one of the best squads in our division . Don’t get all this talk .

Where is this best squad in the division we had more loan players than we could put on the pitch last season and they have all gone back to their clubs like it or not we are once again down to the bare bones with kids as back up. Time we saw a bit of action from the owners.

 

[CornwallBlade]

Our style of play was set by knill because of the brilliance that Souttar was in in defence and it worked very effectively so no need to change. Souttar wasn’t replaced and we didn’t adapt to another pattern and instead we continued to play the same way. My posts said as much months ago when I said we had the attacking players to play another way. If he’s still here is first job is to get a Souttar style player even if he costs 5m and then look at what areas we need further forward as they will sell and fingers crossed the board don’t bring in another couple of players found in teams from a league in Uzbekistan. Interestingly most on here slated me for berating previous owners but if the board bring in tons of AI players this summer I’ll be going mental again.

And that highlights perfectly the limitations of CWAK and why they will never manage successfully in the PL. Work out a system, play to it but have no ability to adapt. We were sussed out last time in the PL and got hammered whilst stubbornly sticking to Plan A. Souttar gets injured, not replaced and we try to continue playing the same way - oh and blowing £10m on a player at the other end of the pitch

 

[Nelson1889]

Why are people getting their knickers in a twist about a lack of anything happening?

How many other clubs in the championship have signed someone since the season ended? I'd be amazed if it's more than half a dozen and even they will have been pre-agreed I'd imagine.

All players contracts run until 30th June so that is when wheels will start to move throughout the EFL. It's always a domino effect with players moving between clubs.

If we're midway through July and nothing is happening then be concerned, not now when they last kicked a ball just over a fortnight ago and are all away on holiday.

 

[Bell4]

And that highlights perfectly the limitations of CWAK and why they will never manage successfully in the PL. Work out a system, play to it but have no ability to adapt. We were sussed out last time in the PL and got hammered whilst stubbornly sticking to Plan A. Souttar gets injured, not replaced and we try to continue playing the same way - oh and blowing £10m on a player at the other end of the pitch

Moved to 442 etc

He really gets a hard time imo and I’m not his biggest fan

 

[Bell4]

Why are people getting their knickers in a twist about a lack of anything happening?

How many other clubs in the championship have signed someone since the season ended? I'd be amazed if it's more than half a dozen and even they will have been pre-agreed I'd imagine.

All players contracts run until 30th June so that is when wheels will start to move throughout the EFL. It's always a domino effect with players moving between clubs.

If we're midway through July and nothing is happening then be concerned, not now when they last kicked a ball just over a fortnight ago and are all away on holiday.

Exactly

 

[sitwell]

Honest answer. Putting the history of him scuttling out of the back door with a Aldi bag full of money aside , Wilder does not have technical and tactical attributes to run a modern state of the art football team that the new owners say they have aspirations to develop.

If they came in with a clean sheet regarding playing and management staff and set up interviews Wilder would not meet their brief (imo). If they had that luxury they would appoint a DoF, head coach and scouting staff to deliver their vision. Begs the question do the new owners have the skills and resources to pick the right man to deliver their vision? They are the enigma, we know Wilder but we don’t know the shadowy new owners.

I worked for an American company for most of my working life and they are good at top to bottom management, no jobs for the old boys or Carothers has always done it that way. It’s boom, boom, bang.

They do use a degree of meritocracy but they set the vision, mission and objectives of the CEO and appoint their man to deliver their vision. Everyone else has to align their goals, roles and responsibilities to theirs or else. They are good at it.

Wilder with his stubborn set ways wouldn't get to the final interview stage so why would they want to keep him?

As stated above the new owners are the enigma. From what we know there are a few prominent front men but over 100 Co owners / investors. I wanted a single toward thinking owner because I don’t believe in running a football club by committee. But we are where we are.

The new owners have made one mistake already, extending Wilders contract. Or have they? Who knows there might have been a big bonus for achieving promotion and an optional severance clause for failing. Another attribute of American business.

If they don’t have a get out clause they are about to make a second big mistake by putting a Ford engine in a Rolls Royce and hoping it runs better.

My money is on him staying but with an overlord (mistake, will just be conflict). But I’ll be delighted if by the end of this week we announce his mutual departure (and he deserves a good pensioning) and the announcement of a DoF who will within days announce a new Head Coach.

With all the distractions and shenanigans over in S6 now is the time to get the news out there!

An afterthought, I wouldn’t be against Wilder having some role in an advisory capacity but I don’t think he would work well as a team.

Not all American business's are the same, I know you are trying to force your Wilder out shit on everyone, day in day out but I havent heard you once come up with an alternative.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I've experienced 46 seasons supporting the Blades.

Whereas just a few posts previously it was 43 seasons. I commend your ability to fuck with space and time.

But those years don’t give you any unique insight into how the club should approach the future. I’ve been going for closer to 60 years, but that doesn’t mean my thoughts on it carry more weight than yours or anyone else’s.

I do see a lot of people of all ages terrified of things changing though, and there have always been people like that.

 

[54yrblade]

Honest answer. Putting the history of him scuttling out of the back door with a Aldi bag full of money aside , Wilder does not have technical and tactical attributes to run a modern state of the art football team that the new owners say they have aspirations to develop.

If they came in with a clean sheet regarding playing and management staff and set up interviews Wilder would not meet their brief (imo). If they had that luxury they would appoint a DoF, head coach and scouting staff to deliver their vision. Begs the question do the new owners have the skills and resources to pick the right man to deliver their vision? They are the enigma, we know Wilder but we don’t know the shadowy new owners.

I worked for an American company for most of my working life and they are good at top to bottom management, no jobs for the old boys or Carothers has always done it that way. It’s boom, boom, bang.

They do use a degree of meritocracy but they set the vision, mission and objectives of the CEO and appoint their man to deliver their vision. Everyone else has to align their goals, roles and responsibilities to theirs or else. They are good at it.

Wilder with his stubborn set ways wouldn't get to the final interview stage so why would they want to keep him?

As stated above the new owners are the enigma. From what we know there are a few prominent front men but over 100 Co owners / investors. I wanted a single toward thinking owner because I don’t believe in running a football club by committee. But we are where we are.

The new owners have made one mistake already, extending Wilders contract. Or have they? Who knows there might have been a big bonus for achieving promotion and an optional severance clause for failing. Another attribute of American business.

If they don’t have a get out clause they are about to make a second big mistake by putting a Ford engine in a Rolls Royce and hoping it runs better.

My money is on him staying but with an overlord (mistake, will just be conflict). But I’ll be delighted if by the end of this week we announce his mutual departure (and he deserves a good pensioning) and the announcement of a DoF who will within days announce a new Head Coach.

With all the distractions and shenanigans over in S6 now is the time to get the news out there!

An afterthought, I wouldn’t be against Wilder having some role in an advisory capacity but I don’t think he would work well as a team.

Extending his contract gave the owners chance to get in, take a close look at everything and see how the season panned out. Given where we were, an easy fall back position at the time.

His behaviour and the failure to go up after having it in our (his) hands will, and should, play a huge part in what comes next.

York, Rotherham, Burton, Chesterfield is a metaphor for where we are under his leadership

One dimensional, standard and the clichés and sound bites are running out of effectiveness.

 

[Willglynning]

Shame it wasn’t this season. Move on, stop looking backwards

If anything it puts us in a historically strong position to make a good go of it this season.

Ignoring the ones coming or going up/down we accrued 23 more points than the next best team left in the division from last season.

 

[Cheesebored]

Why are people getting their knickers in a twist about a lack of anything happening?

Because it's 2025 and the needy are out in numbers.

 

[54yrblade]

23 points more is irrelevant. It's the points difference between us and the top two that mattered.

The sad truth is that we've blown 10 play offs. That suggests a serial loser mentality and CW bottled it last season.

We need a reset, new thinking and getting out of our cosy club Sheffield mentality.

 

[robbiez666]

Whereas just a few posts previously it was 43 seasons. I commend your ability to fuck with space and time.

But those years don’t give you any unique insight into how the club should approach the future. I’ve been going for closer to 60 years, but that doesn’t mean my thoughts on it carry more weight than yours or anyone else’s.

I do see a lot of people of all ages terrified of things changing though, and there have always been people like that.

Most people hate change. They're scared of it. And in fairness, change can go one way or the other. It's often been the other with us!

 

[The Fox]

Perhaps a plan is in place along with the people effected .perhaps it's been outlined to CW and other staff if a management restructure is to be implemented.
Not unemployment law expert but think you have to give 7 days or so notice of so maybe just going by the book.
Not saying they are replacing wilder but a change of role etc may still require some notification period .

 

[TJ blade]

Not all American business's are the same, I know you are trying to force your Wilder out shit on everyone, day in day out but I havent heard you once come up with an alternative.

I worked for the Americans, and it's exactly as he said

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Agreed, though it was over the entire season. Souttar was a huge loss.

Agreed, which is all the more baffling why he wasn't adequately replaced. Unfortunately whilst the points tally was decent, it ultimately fell someway short and we effectively threw it away in 2 key opportunities

 

[Bell4]

I worked for the Americans, and it's exactly as he said

So did I

Dun and Bradstreet - exactly as he says

 

[Railway Blade]

It's nearly 3 weeks since our play off final defeat. We have had one article that Wilders position was under review, written by a man who said Russell Martin had agreed to be the new Leicester manager. Nothing since. If you google Chris Wilder I cant see any article that says his position is under review.
Pre season fixtures have now been announced. They look to me like Wilder dictated fixtures.

Cant see where all the buzz about him leaving is coming from. Its certainly not from the board.

I suppose some can cling on to the hope but I just don't see it personally. I think we might need to get used to the fact that he will be here at the start of next season.

I'm going to concentrate now on unsubstantiated player rumours by all the ITKers in the rumour mil

 

[Dkc]

Whereas just a few posts previously it was 43 seasons. I commend your ability to fuck with space and time.

But those years don’t give you any unique insight into how the club should approach the future. I’ve been going for closer to 60 years, but that doesn’t mean my thoughts on it carry more weight than yours or anyone else’s.

I do see a lot of people of all ages terrified of things changing though, and there have always been people like that.

First game was 1978 and followed us ever since. Maths is not my strong point.

 

[Dkc]

Whereas just a few posts previously it was 43 seasons. I commend your ability to fuck with space and time.

But those years don’t give you any unique insight into how the club should approach the future. I’ve been going for closer to 60 years, but that doesn’t mean my thoughts on it carry more weight than yours or anyone else’s.

I do see a lot of people of all ages terrified of things changing though, and there have always been people like that.

I wouldn't say I'm "terrified of things changing". I've been in favour of getting rid of plenty of managers. I just don't think now's the time to sack Wilder.

Unfortunately many people today just want new things all the time. That's why companies constantly spend millions on rebranding.

Even if there isn't a noticeable improvement in the goods or services provided, we are constantly told that change is good - to value "new" things more than old. We get bored with causes. This extends all across our culture, from goods branding to ideologies, policies and style.

Many people today seem unable to take an objective view. They are instead lured by the celebration and optimism of the 'coming of the new'.

 

[Maidenhead]

No wonder we never get anywhere as a club. Our fanbase needs to be more ambitious, why are we so happy with mediocrity? Boro have been much more successful than us, they have been in Europe and won the league cup in the past 25 years. West Brom have spent much more time in the Prem than us. We should be aspiring for much more for a club our size.

Fan base needs to be more ambitious?
"We" (as in the fans) should be aspiring for so much more?

What influence can you as a fan have on the success of the team?

If you spend your whole life hoping for gratification from events that you have no control over then you're in for a life time of disappointment.

I suggest that you would be much better off directing your ambitions and aspirations towards something that you can influence, and therefore truly enjoy the rewards of achievements.

Football is a game and is great for taking the stresses and strains off real life.

If it's so important to you that it is real life, then you have a problem.

 

[Bl4desutd]

I'm starting to wonder if the owners have got a pot to piss in. It really is time we saw a bit of action one way or the other either come out and say we are sticking with Wilder or get rid. Looks to me like the club is in limbo are we waiting to do deals until a new manager is in place or what? You would like to think new owners would have the resources to move quickly to improve the squad but it would seem like everything is on hold apart from a new pitch. No recruitment, no start on the new training ground, nothing at all is happening ............... and the is ticking.

Aren’t all the football world on holiday?

 

[Dkc]

What influence can you as a fan have on the success of the team?

You can try to get the manager sacked by booing him, posting social media comments, persuading others that he's "bottled it" and we "need a fresh start"

 

[Blade56]

You keep saying this B56, but people are entitled to look any way they like, or any way that works for them.

Saying "I like to look forwards, not backwards", or "I think the club should look forwards, not backwards" is fine - that's your opinion and it's fair enough. But dictating to people, outright telling them what to do: "look the way I want you to look, not the way you want to look", isn't.

I can't speak for anyone else on here, but for me, looking backwards brings me pleasure. I'm capable of looking forwards, too; but it's up to me to choose which way I look. Everyone is entitled to choose their own way of looking at things.

I look backwards and like you find pleasure in the memories.

I’m not dictating how people should think, however, the overuse of 92 points being some sort of amulet for the future is boring, it’s an untrue figure we got 90 points.

The club needs a paradigm shift from what we are to what we need to be to survive and grow and to avoid becoming like our neighbours.

I’ve been fortunate to see some really good times (including Wilders 9th finish) where we were always seen outside the club as the underdogs doing well. I’ve also been unfortunate enough to see us go all the way down to the old 4th division where outside the club we were seen to be where we belong.

The point I keep trying to make is we need to start seeing ourselves as a club modernising going forwards and becoming sustainable in the PL. Yes I agree look back and enjoy the memories but not the old ways of running the club in the past trying to make it fit for the future. We’ve been in that cycle of running the club the old way trying to make us fit for purpose in a new world of football.

A paradigm shift is very hard to achieve and take everyone with you. All I’m saying is look forwards for where we need to be, harping on about what happened last season (ie failure, yanks wanted promotion) won’t get us where 100% of Blades want to be.

I respect your point of view and apologies if you think I was dictating how people should think to move the club in the right direction. It might be irrelevant that I’m right but heyho

See what I did there Bell4

 

[Maidenhead]

You can try to get the manager sacked by booing him, posting social media comments, persuading others that he's "bottled it" and we "need a fresh start"

Which may or may not be the right answer, and even if it's done there will always be speculation afterwards about whether or not it was the right move, unless things go spectacularly well.

If things don't go as well as as anticipated, or go badly, it will obviously be the board's fault for sacking the old guy or appointing the wrong new guy and will be nothing to do with booing and social media.

 

[Bell4]

I look backwards and like you find pleasure in the memories.

I’m not dictating how people should think, however, the overuse of 92 points being some sort of amulet for the future is boring, it’s an untrue figure we got 90 points.

The club needs a paradigm shift from what we are to what we need to be to survive and grow and to avoid becoming like our neighbours.

I’ve been fortunate to see some really good times (including Wilders 9th finish) where we were always seen outside the club as the underdogs doing well. I’ve also been unfortunate enough to see us go all the way down to the old 4th division where outside the club we were seen to be where we belong.

The point I keep trying to make is we need to start seeing ourselves as a club modernising going forwards and becoming sustainable in the PL. Yes I agree look back and enjoy the memories but not the old ways of running the club in the past trying to make it fit for the future. We’ve been in that cycle of running the club the old way trying to make us fit for purpose in a new world of football.

A paradigm shift is very hard to achieve and take everyone with you. All I’m saying is look forwards for where we need to be, harping on about what happened last season (ie failure, yanks wanted promotion) won’t get us where 100% of Blades want to be.

I respect your point of view and apologies if you think I was dictating how people should think to move the club in the right direction. It might be irrelevant that I’m right but heyho

See what I did there Bell4

I got promoted once for using that word in a meeting in 1989

 

[robbiez666]

I wouldn't say I'm "terrified of things changing". I've been in favour of getting rid of plenty of managers. I just don't think now's the time to sack Wilder.

Unfortunately many people today just want new things all the time. That's why companies constantly spend millions on rebranding.

Even if there isn't a noticeable improvement in the goods or services provided, we are constantly told that change is good - to value "new" things more than old. We get bored with causes. This extends all across our culture, from goods branding to ideologies, policies and style.

Many people today seem unable to take an objective view. They are instead lured by the celebration and optimism of the 'coming of the new'.

I think the difference is, do you want to continue doing the same things with similar results or make a change.

I think the main thing with Wilder is that he's unlikely to change his approach. I would argue that this approach means that we may go up but we're vastly unlikely to stay up. He's shown an inability to work within modern recruitment.Brutush and Irish or played in Britain or Ireland is not an approach that will be successful in the modern game. Paying huge fees for players because they fit thus model

The owners see a much more modern approach to recruitment. It might work, it might not.

If you want the possibility of us being able to become an established Premier League club then we need to embrace change. There's probably a small chance of it working, but that percentage changes depending on the competence and finances of the owners

It took years for Brentford to go up but they had a plan and also entertained fans on the way.

If there is a change of approach, then the key is for the owners to communicate it to the fans.

If we change approach, through changes of style, leadership, recruitment etc then it's vastly unlikely it will work straight away.

Will fans be patient? I doubt it.

 

[Uganda Blade]

I got promoted once for using that word in a meeting in 1989

Amulet?

 

[Balham]

Worth noting that 92 points with our GD would have been enough for automatic promotion in 27 out of the past 30 seasons, and enough to outright win it in more than 10 too.

Yet two of the three where it wasn't enough are the last two. Football is changing, we either need to be part of the revolution or to accept that we'll forever be on the outside looking in.

 

[Tom Bott]

We need a new manager like England needed a new manager because Southgate was boring and flawed.

We need a modern progressive foreign manager.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...eat-in-nottingham-to-add-to-andorra-struggles

 

[BalticBlade]

Interesting that the first new player through the door this summer is one of the owners' AI. recruitment model signings and not a Wilder signing.