New Manager ?

[Rodley]

Did he refuse to learn Bulgarian?

Nobody knows whether they are meeting to decide whether to sack him. We often see posts dismissing transfer rumours as rubbish, especially at times like now when the media doesn’t have much to report on, but a few people seem to have become very invested in these particular rumours and have started making all sorts of stuff up. I smell an agenda.

I think the agenda is we’ve consistently showed ourselves to be a fairly tinpot outfit over the last few decades and consequently achieved very little. One hopes with the advent of new ownership we might have turned a corner, but the hamfisted management of this sadly points to same owd, same owd.

I fear the Plopdiv 3 points to more Blades Italia than Brentford & Brighton.

I guess at least it’s never boring…

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

Personally I like Wilder showing what the game means to him.

Rather have that than a boring corporate Scott Parker type in a suit.

Do you mean a successful boring corporate Scott Parker type manager in a suit ? He’s marmite certainly,but his football with Burnley last season after a huge rebuild was way ahead of ours and worth £180 million to the club.

 

[Bladeloyal]

You don't think there's been a leak?
I'd say, on the balance of probability, it's highly likely there has been a leak. Enough reputable sources are reporting it...

You don't think Wilder is in the dark?
Again, Wit (his best mate that he's on holiday with), seems to be suggesting he is. As is Danny Hall.

I'm commenting on things that are out in the public.

Once you start believing what wit spouts on twitter you've hit dodgy ground ,

 

[The Fox]

I'm confident, for reasons I won't go into, that that statement was sanctioned by Wilder, unfortunately.

Personally I think wilder knows he's gone and did after the playoff final .
I have doubts that the interview given on talksport the following day was sanctioned the club and his claim of the board being behind him was to set the narrative but wasn't entirely factual
Have no evidence , just a gut feel that some of the stuff coming out is to garner support to keep his position and fight his corner , fair play, why wouldn't he.
I don't know the guy but it's it seams his nature is to play the guy who's hard done by , the plucky underdog who's wronged and let down by those around him , PA , the players , the new owners .
He's probably a good guy , a decent manager and a passionate Blade, however if his MO is to take on the guys who write the cheques , it's a battle he's not going to win .
Whatever the rights and wrongs and outcomes there's a harsh reality about football management in the modern day particularly with new ownership.

 

[b1ade4life]

Surely if he was going it would have been announced yesterday, I think he stays and the board and management team are re strategizing for next season

 

[Nick Jansky]

I think the agenda is we’ve consistently showed ourselves to be a fairly tinpot outfit over the last few decades and consequently achieved very little. One hopes with the advent of new ownership we might have turned a corner, but the hamfisted management of this sadly points to same owd, same owd.

I fear the Plopdiv 3 points to more Blades Italia than Brentford & Brighton.

I guess at least it’s never boring…

New owners learning on the job. They’ll make some mistakes. I think folks need to cut them some slack at this early stage of their ownership and show a bit of patience. I’m sure the direction of travel will soon become apparent.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Ideally would like a statement before 11am.

 

[Scarebus]

Ideally would like a statement before 11am.

Statement every hour plz

 

[Racing Blade]

Embarrassing and tiresome this will they wont they but it seems to be a common theme with Chris Wilder where ever he has been he has bullied the boardrooms so no surprise him and his piss head mates are at it again.
Hopefully the new owners get rid of the twat today as Wilder will never be happy without control over everything. He has to go.

God help us if Rueben Selles is a target to replace him, if so I'll be asking for a ST refund his style of pissing around passing across the back four got Hull City relegated their fans hated him.

I think the passing across the back four was more the theme with his predecessor. There wasn't much of it on display when they thumped us 3-0 at The Lane. They also won at Sunderland in February.

Selles kept Hull up, albeit on goal difference, having been bottom of the league on Boxing Day.

 

[coolasanidiot]

92 Points - it would be proper mental to even think of changing - yes discuss by all means but with a rationale 'head on' let him have another go. If the AI was to choose a new manager that would get 92 points it would splurt out the name WILDER.

 

[jt64]

Do we even need to spend?

If we are to ever progress, we need players who are either PL quality, or have the potential to be PL quality. The last time we were there, we were woefully short in terms of both forwards and centre backs who were anywhere near the quality required (of course, selling the only one who was did not help, but that decision has been discussed to death). That needs addressing by bringing in players who fit the criteria in the first sentence - that was a known issue twelve months ago, and if anything it has got worse since then. So yes, we need to spend.

 

[Need4speed]

I think board are split and those in favour of keeping Wilder have told those who want him replaced that they need to come up with a credible replacement before sacking Wilder. That is why there has been no announcement

 

[tincan]

Last seasons 16 wins by 1 goal masked the performance issues that we had. His management of the JTW signings investment made us worse. Even if we had gone up, I think he'd still have got the sack given his .48 PPG PL record being a major risk. These guys are investors 1st, fans second.

AI doesn't factor all the off the field problems that need managing.
There's often a unwritten reason why free transfer players are free, Shackleton springs to mind.
Those are factors that no Artificial intelligence programs can assess. So if we're feeding it garbage don't be surprised with the output it provides.

The only viable issue is whether there is anyone better to manage the club today?
I did note Klopp was appointed as been Head of Global Soccer for Red Bull this year, the Dirties owners.
Maybe that is the model our CoH have in mind a global head of some repute..

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

The point is CW shouldn’t know they are meeting to decide to sack him. It’s not his news to leak and he shouldn’t know / find out.

Nobody knows the purpose of the rumoured meeting. It is all speculation. The content and intention even more so. Nobody knows who leaked what and if it is fake or any element of truth.

 

[Blade56]

My thoughts exaactly, the way he walked off at wembly brought back memories when went last time

Regardless who’s at fault it looks like the owners and Wilder do not see eye to eye. Result, UNITED SUFFER.

The intransigence of Wilder is well known, if he won’t implement the clubs owners wishes it will cause chaos on and off the pitch and a split fan base. No one can win this not even with compromise.

The owners want to bring modern technologies and processes to run ‘their’ football club. It appears Wilder wants full control to sign a player “Edna from the canteen saw on Eurosport score a hat trick” if he sees fit (with owners money). No one can win.

Fans are split with a lot tired of the turgid football that won us nothing, zero, nanda last season and the rest living in the success years from 2016. No one can win.

If Wilder got his way and builds a new team, stays as stubborn as he’s always been etc and it doesn’t go well the owners will sack him come Xmas and look to appoint someone to build a new team with Wilders building blocks (a la Slav). United are unlikely to get promoted from that situation so a season lost.

The owners are not going away, they will not change their direction, they bought the club to implement it and they are the paymasters that prevented the club declining into almost certain decline under PA.

There will be no compromise imo so either Wilder goes or he stays and internal war breaks out behind the scenes with a rift suggested in the board (that could be Wit the twit). No one can win.

If he stays it won’t be pretty and could get like a mini me of S6. If he goes and board are successful in finding the right man, modernising the club and getting promoted Wilder will be remembered as a hero but who went wrong at the end.

If Wilder leaves and the new guy and his team bought under the new system flop the fans focus will turn on the owners if we are not in the PL 12 months from now.

The likes of Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth took 3,4,5 years to develop their modern model of how a club is run and we would run through walls to be in their position and to be run like them right now. Just look at Frank going to Spurs and them embracing the ‘new modern way’ I don’t think United fans will be that tolerant.

Long and short It’s either Wilder or the owners getting their way. Wilder is the only variable in the formula so unless he moves aside (pensioned out to recognise his contribution to the club) the future with him in charge looks erm, interesting?

We stand at a crossroads, the owners want to take us one way and Wilder wants to take us another way to the same destination. This is the biggest opportunity for SUFC to get to that destination with a modern club fit for purpose in the PL. odds of it happening look a bit slim if we start next season in turmoil off the pitch.

Unfortunately, we have the Blades biggest fan as manager setting himself against the new owners of the club. I take Wits re involvement in proceedings as evidence of this.

Have the owners manipulated this situation to avoid severance of the extended contract they naively gave Wilder?

One compromise that might work would be a restructure with DoF, Wilder changing his ways (so he’s no longer Wilder), accepting the modernisation, implementing it 100% and giving 100% to make it work. But could Wilder do this?

It's make your mind up time Wilder or SUFC?

 

[Berkshire Blade]

New owners learning on the job. They’ll make some mistakes. I think folks need to cut them some slack at this early stage of their ownership and show a bit of patience. I’m sure the direction of travel will soon become apparent.

You are correct owners, especially new ones, will make mistakes. I find it hard to give them wiggle room for signing a guy on a new contract and then taking nearly three weeks to come to a conclusion either way though. If they get this wrong (either way) it will be something they have to own.

 

[Torrix1889]

All this, "he got us 92 points" is bollocks.....it ultimately lead to failure. Plus the football was awful to watch, i can recall 2 possibly 3 games where i cam away thinking we played really well. we only scored 3 goals twice in the regular season....

It's time for change, otherwise we stagnate.

 

[54yrblade]

I think board are split and those in favour of keeping Wilder have told those who want him replaced that they need to come up with a credible replacement before sacking Wilder. That is why there has been no announcement

Or they have replacement targets and are sounding them out before they make a final call?

 

[Nick Jansky]

You are correct owners, especially new ones, will make mistakes. I find it hard to give them wiggle room for signing a guy on a new contract and then taking nearly three weeks to come to a conclusion either way though. If they get this wrong (either way) it will be something they have to own.

We all know how much you enjoy kicking at owners to a very tedious degree. You only eventually stopped banging on about the 2 point deduction once, as predicted would be the case by most, it ceased to matter, so whether or not you are prepared to give them wiggle room isn’t something that folks are likely to be too interested in.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

You are correct owners, especially new ones, will make mistakes. I find it hard to give them wiggle room for signing a guy on a new contract and then taking nearly three weeks to come to a conclusion either way though. If they get this wrong (either way) it will be something they have to own.

So, you don't want them to make the wrong decision. And also don't want them to take 3 weeks to come to a very important, hopefully right decision.
Fine.

 

[Silky Sabella]

I think board are split and those in favour of keeping Wilder have told those who want him replaced that they need to come up with a credible replacement before sacking Wilder. That is why there has been no announcement

Yes, 7 board members, but would like to know if Rosen and Eltoukhy are wilder in or out, because surely they call the shots?

 

[Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head]

Regardless who’s at fault it looks like the owners and Wilder do not see eye to eye. Result, UNITED SUFFER.

The intransigence of Wilder is well known, if he won’t implement the clubs owners wishes it will cause chaos on and off the pitch and a split fan base. No one can win this not even with compromise.

The owners want to bring modern technologies and processes to run ‘their’ football club. It appears Wilder wants full control to sign a player “Edna from the canteen saw on Eurosport score a hat trick” if he sees fit (with owners money). No one can win.

Fans are split with a lot tired of the turgid football that won us nothing, zero, nanda last season and the rest living in the success years from 2016. No one can win.

If Wilder got his way and builds a new team, stays as stubborn as he’s always been etc and it doesn’t go well the owners will sack him come Xmas and look to appoint someone to build a new team with Wilders building blocks (a la Slav). United are unlikely to get promoted from that situation so a season lost.

The owners are not going away, they will not change their direction, they bought the club to implement it and they are the paymasters that prevented the club declining into almost certain decline under PA.

There will be no compromise imo so either Wilder goes or he stays and internal war breaks out behind the scenes with a rift suggested in the board (that could be Wit the twit). No one can win.

If he stays it won’t be pretty and could get like a mini me of S6. If he goes and board are successful in finding the right man, modernising the club and getting promoted Wilder will be remembered as a hero but who went wrong at the end.

If Wilder leaves and the new guy and his team bought under the new system flop the fans focus will turn on the owners if we are not in the PL 12 months from now.

The likes of Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth took 3,4,5 years to develop their modern model of how a club is run and we would run through walls to be in their position and to be run like them right now. Just look at Frank going to Spurs and them embracing the ‘new modern way’ I don’t think United fans will be that tolerant.

Long and short It’s either Wilder or the owners getting their way. Wilder is the only variable in the formula so unless he moves aside (pensioned out to recognise his contribution to the club) the future with him in charge looks erm, interesting?

We stand at a crossroads, the owners want to take us one way and Wilder wants to take us another way to the same destination. This is the biggest opportunity for SUFC to get to that destination with a modern club fit for purpose in the PL. odds of it happening look a bit slim if we start next season in turmoil off the pitch.

Unfortunately, we have the Blades biggest fan as manager setting himself against the new owners of the club. I take Wits re involvement in proceedings as evidence of this.

Have the owners manipulated this situation to avoid severance of the extended contract they naively gave Wilder?

One compromise that might work would be a restructure with DoF, Wilder changing his ways (so he’s no longer Wilder), accepting the modernisation, implementing it 100% and giving 100% to make it work. But could Wilder do this?

It's make your mind up time Wilder or SUFC?

Really good post. For me there are 2 choices.

The "comfort blanket" of Wilder who probably will have us in the top 6 again next season. But will we ever really kick on and establish ourselves as a resident Top Division side?

Higher risk approach in building a new structure that doesn't just rely on a manger, but a network of coaches, tacticians, analytics, businessmen where if one person leaves the entire model doesn't collapse. For me this is the only way we can look to establish at the next level, and compete with clubs that have 5-10 years of Premier League money invested (Palace, Wolves, Brighton etc)

 

[Dkc]

Impossible to say. There could be a manager in the Belgian league who we've not heard of because we don't follow Belgian football, more than capable of taking us up. Perhaps Lampard could do it with our squad. Maybe there's another young manager doing well with a mid-table team who is capable of making the step up and getting us promoted. Sticking with Wilder just because anything else is risky is not necessarily the answer. Sticking with Wilder could be as much of a problem, particularly if you give him a chequebook. The only managers I would be 100% against is Southgate and Dyche. Anyone else would get my support whether I'd heard of them or not as I'd be open minded.

As I previously posted none of us had heard of Daniel Farke or David Wagner before they arrived in English football, but they were successful and got teams promoted. We don't need to be so dismissive and narrow minded. Change doesn't mean failure.

You can name successful managers but the stats don't lie. Far more new managers fail than succeed.

McKewan for Porterfield. Kendall for Bassett. Robson for Warnock. Slav for Wilder. They were all inspired choices at the time. The chances of getting it right first time are not high.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

So, you don't want them to make the wrong decision. And also don't want them to take 3 weeks to come to a very important, hopefully right decision.
Fine.

If they are basing the decision on one game then they are as bad as Manchester United owners who gave a guy another go due to one game. Spurs haven't fallen into that trap and time will tell if they got it right.

We all know how much you enjoy kicking at owners to a very tedious degree.

The Prince was a unfit owner. Glad he's gone. Doesn't mean anyone should be a cheerleader or withhold views on these guys. There's been a few things I don't like but as you said it's early days and they are inexperienced owners so it's kinda to be expected.

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

Ideally would like a statement before 11am.

Too late for me that. Needs to be 10.30, no later.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Do you mean a successful boring corporate Scott Parker type manager in a suit ? He’s marmite certainly,but his football with Burnley last season after a huge rebuild was way ahead of ours and worth £180 million to the club.

I agree he's a successful championship manager, but his football was derided by Burnley fans all season, just as much as Wilder's was.

I don't think it was way ahead of ours. They had a bigger budget, better squad and finished one place above us.

 

[AWetFlannel]

If we are to ever progress, we need players who are either PL quality, or have the potential to be PL quality. The last time we were there, we were woefully short in terms of both forwards and centre backs who were anywhere near the quality required (of course, selling the only one who was did not help, but that decision has been discussed to death). That needs addressing by bringing in players who fit the criteria in the first sentence - that was a known issue twelve months ago, and if anything it has got worse since then. So yes, we need to spend.

It's difficult to sign those players when you're in the PL, never mind in the Championship. The expectations on transfers are absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

From Wilders perspective, if he can get a contract payout after just picking up 92 points.. then he's looking very employable.

Which clubs with top 6 aspirations would see him as an improvement on what they've got?

 

[Alfiesdad]

Waffle, waffle waffle. Not one person on here knows anything about what is happening behind the scenes but come up with this that and the other.
Best to keep it shut!

Exactly, and one side accuses the other of conjecture and then conjectures an opposing view.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

If they are basing the decision on one game then they are as bad as Manchester United owners who gave a guy another go due to one game. Spurs haven't fallen into that trap and time will tell if they got it right.

Maybe they are basing it on more than one game?
When would you like them to decide? Quick or longer?