CONFIRMED Neil Collins leaves the club

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There were many, many displays contrary to that last season.

I'd say otherwise. Even in games which we should never have lost or drawn, Leyton Orient, Fleetwood, Crewe come to mind, we still dominted games in terms of possession, shots and chances but frustratingly conceded to their only shots on goal, goalkeeping errors (Peterborough, Scunthorpe) and often from set plays.

Even against Swindon, apart from a crazy 25 minute spell we were the better side. This season has been different for me in that aswell as losing to the likes of Bury, Colchester, Burton - we have been out footballed by them too and had less possession. Individuals performance levels have regressed under Adkins too.
 

If he is going to the MLS makes sense for him to move now, during the first week of their season, he could step straight into one of their teams and be upto speed.

Not necessarily the MLS though. :)
 
For clarity, has this person alleged he's off to the MLS or just off to America?

I just can't see him playing anywhere above non-league. I can, however, picture him working at a Cinnabon in Omaha.

(10 points to anyone who gets that reference)
 
For clarity, has this person alleged he's off to the MLS or just off to America?

I just can't see him playing anywhere above non-league. I can, however, picture him working at a Cinnabon in Omaha.

(10 points to anyone who gets that reference)

I ate at a Cinnabon in London. Sickly stuff! I assume that is some sort of film reference, but it's lost on me.
 
If he's right I will be celebrating one of the biggest shit houses this club has ever employed fucking off!

Collins or Adkins? Collins was far from the worst player down at BDTBL. If he's been sacked for 'failing to follow Adkins' instructions' where's my P45? Stephen fucking Hawkins couldn't fathom Adkins' 'tactics'.

Also it probably illustrates the folly of continually selling the best players. Not only does it weaken the team, a lot of players will think 'Fuck this. United have no ambition.' and 'engineer' a move away to pastures where it's not always pissing down.
 
Collins or Adkins? Collins was far from the worst player down at BDTBL. If he's been sacked for 'failing to follow Adkins' instructions' where's my P45? Stephen fucking Hawkins couldn't fathom Adkins' 'tactics'.

Also it probably illustrates the folly of continually selling the best players. Not only does it weaken the team, a lot of players will think 'Fuck this. United have no ambition.' and 'engineer' a move away to pastures where it's not always pissing down.

Agreed. As much as I think Collins is not up to scratch any more, binning him for the sake of binning him is counterproductive. The remaining set of CBs are not up to much cop and the notion of having Basham and McEveley back there makes my shit run liquid.

We need to stay as we are, finish respectably, the team need to accept their fate and McCabe needs to do the right thing.

Quite what will happen will obviously be the opposite.

pommpey
 
So long as it isn't to Orlando City or Montreal Impact I don't mind. Booked tickets to see them play in May when I'm in the US and if I have to see Neill Collins play I'll be fucking livid.

It's sods law that you go to the other side of the world and Collins is bloody there!
 
I'm seeing Montreal when I'm in Canada, got tickets booked - you just know what's gonna happen...
You'll either get to see Mr Collins, or get bummed by a great big bull moose with a todger like a battering ram. And if both happen then you'll spend the rest of your life trying to work out which one was the least pleasurable.
 
By my calculations he was played 214 games now for Sheffield United and been here for over 5 years.

He was shit when he first came and was at the peak of his powers, now he is well in to his 30s he is even worse. How he has been allowed to earn a handsome living here during that time is beyond me.

If Adkins has got anything about him he would pay him up, fuck him off and plan for next season without this lumbering pile of Northern Counties standard sack of shit.

If Clough got sacked on the basis of Collins had to say about him, then the fucking idiot who sacked Clough needs to have a serious word with himself.
 
Agreed. As much as I think Collins is not up to scratch any more, binning him for the sake of binning him is counterproductive. The remaining set of CBs are not up to much cop and the notion of having Basham and McEveley back there makes my shit run liquid.

We need to stay as we are, finish respectably, the team need to accept their fate and McCabe needs to do the right thing.

Quite what will happen will obviously be the opposite.

pommpey

Got to disagree.

If he is undermining Adkins plans and is seen as a bad influence in the dressing, with there being no plans to renew his contract - then why keep him?

As far as I am concerned the season is over, the earlier we clear the decks the better.
 
Very true and, in my view a good summary with regards to the Centre Half issue. However, I don’t think that the centre half issue was so much of a problem until we lost the likes of Kennedy and then Brayford to injury. We kind of ‘got by’ before that.


The biggest concern, though was a main striker. But again, Clough was hung out to dry on this as well, but it seems that its not so easy to get a 20 goal a season man as Phipps et al thought. Billy Sharp, whilst good, hasn’t returned the goals you’d want/ need/ expect him to. His return is good, all things considered, but not sparkling (although as I said last week, he’s not had the supply nor the support up front)


I didn’t get one point though, with regards to Cloughs signings, the examples given weren’t all signed by Clough – Flynn(I think), Doyle and Baxter were signed before clough arrived

He gave Flynn and a contract extension after the FA cup semi season. United turned down an offer from Brighton so he's unlikely to be on peanuts.
 
Agreed. As much as I think Collins is not up to scratch any more, binning him for the sake of binning him is counterproductive. The remaining set of CBs are not up to much cop and the notion of having Basham and McEveley back there makes my shit run liquid.

We need to stay as we are, finish respectably, the team need to accept their fate and McCabe needs to do the right thing.

Quite what will happen will obviously be the opposite.

pommpey

Obviously, I agree Pommpey. It's one thing for a manager to play hardball with players to hide their own deficiencies, but there's got to be an end result. S'ralex Ferguson, Mourinho, Brian Clough etc. were all hard bastards, but they had the successes to back it up. Clough, N. tried it but - apart from having his dad's name - didn't have a record of success, and tried to bully players. However, he did have some degree of success (although I think Burton can steel themselves for a nail-biting end to the season. Play-offs at best. J F-H has done all the hard work and Nigel will begin to retreat into his ultra-cautious shell).

Adkins has used the last refuge to hide his incompetence - blaming the players. But what happens when the players he brought in fail to deliver? Who will he blame then?

Although this season has been a write-off (Clough without the cup successes) the remaining matches are of vital importance and will decide who and how many will renew their season tickets.

Hey ho. Never boring being a Blade...
 
You'll either get to see Mr Collins, or get bummed by a great big bull moose with a todger like a battering ram. And if both happen then you'll spend the rest of your life trying to work out which one was the least pleasurable.
Oooh, can I have both at the same time?
 
PrestonBladesman, who has a good ITK record, posted this on Bladesmad:


"Massive fall out with Adkins, bad apple. He won't play for us again."


"Collins must be the problem."



Quite surprising, I never imagined Collins was one of the problems. Certainly not off the pitch anyway.
 

Hope so, been a part of our problem for a long time. Should have gone last season but stayed and took a wage despite knowing he wouldn't play and his contract would outlive the Manager's term. There was a rumour he said as much to NC. Plays average at best and pops up with the odd header from a corner, not enough for me
 
There was a board meeting last night (an emergency one) and this may have been the issue discussed. Adkins has been trying to get two more loan players in. If they haven't had to pay Collins of (America rumour), the financial parameters may have shifted enough to get the deals done without Scougall leaving. I'd still expect one of the deals to be done regardless. Collins has been a disruptive influence (ringleader) behind the scenes for a long time, and has refused to help the club by moving on (his right). If the club were in the financial position to move him on before he'd signed his last deal, I think they would've done. Suffice to say he's my number one most despised player at United. There's one still thee who has a year left at seasons end and will take some shifting.
 
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There was a board meeting last night (an emergency one) and this may have been the issue discussed. Adkins has been trying to get two more loan players in. If they haven't had to pay Collins of (America rumour), the financial parameters may have shifted enough to get the deals done without Scougall leaving. I'd still expect one of the deals to be done regardless. Collins has been a disruptive influence (ringleader) behind the scenes for a long time, and has refused to help the club by moving on (his right). If the club were in the financial position to move him on before he'd signed his last deal, I think they would've done. Suffice to say he's my number one most despised player at United. There's one still thee who has a year left at seasons end and will take some shifting.

Again I'm surprised by that, but if he's been a bad influence for so long then it's a real shame we're only just finding out.

Is the other player Coutts?
Other candidates are Freeman and J Wallace.
 
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For clarity, has this person alleged he's off to the MLS or just off to America?

I just can't see him playing anywhere above non-league. I can, however, picture him working at a Cinnabon in Omaha.

(10 points to anyone who gets that reference)

I'll get back to you later, just about to watch a box set of Better Call Saul :-)
 
I never understood people who wanted Collins near the first team. He was a terrible signing by Adams and helped to seal our relegation. When he played with Harry his short comings were masked. Did anyone ever see him bollock Harry? He is a bully who is even worse than when we signed him. He was so poor that he was farmed out to the likes of Port Vale but still managed to somehow stay when NC lost his job.

Good ridance in my view.
 
I'll get back to you later, just about to watch a box set of Better Call Saul :)

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Again I'm surprised by that, but if he's been a bad influence for so long then it's a real shame we're only just finding out.
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I presume Clough didn't drop him without trace for being the model professional.
 
Collins has been a disruptive influence (ringleader) behind the scenes for a long time,

Yet NA has chosen to play him 33 times why would any manager do that, if that statement has any truth in it, just another excuse for NA IMO
 
I had heard from a friend who knows someone that works in an important role at the academy said that Collins was a bad influence, along with Doyle (I was told this last year). Can anyone shed any light on exactly what he's been doing that negatively influences the team? Just curious?
Also, who is this other bad influence that needs to go, if he can be named? If not, no worries.
 
Obviously, I agree Pommpey. It's one thing for a manager to play hardball with players to hide their own deficiencies, but there's got to be an end result. S'ralex Ferguson, Mourinho, Brian Clough etc. were all hard bastards, but they had the successes to back it up. Clough, N. tried it but - apart from having his dad's name - didn't have a record of success, and tried to bully players. However, he did have some degree of success (although I think Burton can steel themselves for a nail-biting end to the season. Play-offs at best. J F-H has done all the hard work and Nigel will begin to retreat into his ultra-cautious shell).

Adkins has used the last refuge to hide his incompetence - blaming the players. But what happens when the players he brought in fail to deliver? Who will he blame then?

Although this season has been a write-off (Clough without the cup successes) the remaining matches are of vital importance and will decide who and how many will renew their season tickets.

Hey ho. Never boring being a Blade...


Disagree massively with this post. Adkins has been extremely protective of the players. Throughout the season we’ve had



“the buck stops with me”

“clean slate”

“honest hard working professionals”

“great bunch of lads”

“what could I have done differently”

“Boo by all means but please wait til the final whistle to give the players the best chance”



He has given them a level of support and protection they don’t deserve and haven’t repaid him for and he’s regularly been criticised for it. When we lose every 50/50 against Burton and struggle to get out of our own half and don’t work their keeper once in 90 minutes, he starts to sound a bit pissed off with them. I think Mother Teresa would have turned on these jokers by now.


What will he say when his own players don’t perform? Who knows, maybe they will? We won’t know if we don’t give him the chance.


It seems certain Collins was the player he was alluding to after Burton (dropped from the match-day squad Saturday with McGahey on the bench).


I note with interest that 2 managers have now fallen out with him and both have done it after a game where we have been trailing and he’s ended up up front for the last few minutes as we chase an equaliser. I strongly suspect this is the subject of the row. It seems that either he’s decided to up front against the manager’s instructions to try to nick an equaliser or, the manager has put him up front and he’s kicked off about it. I have a feeling it might be the latter given Adkins’ comments about ego and the desire he would have had to put one over Clough with a last minute equaliser.


I don’t dislike Collins as much as some do on here and there were times last season I thought he’d be better than what we were fielding. However, he’s not good enough long term and needs to go at the end of the season. If he’s been causing problems behind the scenes, then he has to go sooner. We need to reinforce the manager’s authority and that the players need to get in line or fuck off.

I have absolutely no problem losing a player I don’t want here next season. Let’s see if Baptiste can earn a deal in his place. Or maybe Kieron Wallace could get back into the picture?
 
There was a board meeting last night (an emergency one) and this may have been the issue discussed. Adkins has been trying to get two more loan players in. If they haven't had to pay Collins of (America rumour), the financial parameters may have shifted enough to get the deals done without Scougall leaving. I'd still expect one of the deals to be done regardless. Collins has been a disruptive influence (ringleader) behind the scenes for a long time, and has refused to help the club by moving on (his right). If the club were in the financial position to move him on before he'd signed his last deal, I think they would've done. Suffice to say he's my number one most despised player at United. There's one still thee who has a year left at seasons end and will take some shifting.

Is this definitely true?

If so could you name the other one so us nasty bastard fans can call him names and hound him out?
 
Collins has been a disruptive influence (ringleader) behind the scenes for a long time,

Yet NA has chosen to play him 33 times why would any manager do that, if that statement has any truth in it, just another excuse for NA IMO

He was told to work with what he's got. Collins has been offered severance packages in the past but has chosen to sit on his contract - as is his right. This is United's austerity season: see my thread managing expectations for the position of the club starting this season. The big question now is what's the scale of investment next season. Nobody knows except McCabe and the Prince. The Prince is unhappy at the amount of money already wasted and may pull out.
 
He was told to work with what he's got. Collins has been offered severance packages in the past but has chosen to sit on his contract - as is his right. This is United's austerity season: see my thread managing expectations for the position of the club starting this season. The big question now is what's the scale of investment next season. Nobody knows except McCabe and the Prince. The Prince is unhappy at the amount of money already wasted and may pull out.

The question remains why would NA play Collins 30+ times if he was so disruptive.
 

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