Ndiaye V England.

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Blademan18891889 said:
Am I actually reading things correctly here, are there people suggesting maguire, stones, Shaw, Phillips will get run ragged by a championship player, yes I mean 2 of them play for the best team in the world and the other 2 play for the biggest club in the world who I will admit aren't currently brilliant , yet they'll get run ragged by a 2nd division player, come on let's get a bit of perspective on this people.
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Didn't help Belgium or Spain yesterday did it?
 
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Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
I seriously doubt that he'll still be at BDTBL when the JTW closes. Just a hunch. 🤷‍♂️
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That will only happen if we can improve the team.
So if we sold N'Diaye it would need to be for a massive amount
and also we would have a replacement or replacements already lined up.

With the club being so close to promotion they aren't going to blow it.
He could still be sold but it will be a calculated carefully planned risk.
 
bartman said:
This squad ,in my opinion, is not as good individually in the main as the golden generation one but Southgate seems to have a created a club ethic within the squad which has produced better performances in tournaments which means we have come a lot closer to winning something tha Beckham & co
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I can see similarities between Southgate's style of management and Ramsey's in 1966. I was only 13 at the time but Ramsey took a lot of criticism for not playing Jimmy Greaves ( who was one of the most talented players around at the time) and with today's social media he would have taken a lot more.

I don't think however that Southgate (unlike Ramsey) would have said " England will win the world cup" prior to the competition starting
 
FallowfieldBlade said:
I hope illiman has a stinker or doesn’t even start

England go through and no one knows about him and he signs a new 8 year contract at the lane on Jan 1st
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Of course I'd be excited if N'Diaye plays well but

Being sensible and United focussed your comment is exactly what's required to benefit United.
So he returns hungry an eager to prove himself.
Also he'll then be less likely to get ideas above his stations and start demanding £50K to £100K a week.

What people don't seem to realise is that as his contract is close to ending he's becoming like a loan player for us.
So from next season will have little asset (transfer) value to us. He can just wind down his contract and cash in becoming an instant millionaire.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Of course I'd be excited if N'Diaye plays well but

Being sensible and United focussed your comment is exactly what's required to benefit United.
So he returns hungry an eager to prove himself.
Also he'll then be less likely to get ideas above his stations and start demanding £50K to £100K a week.

What people don't seem to realise is that as his contract is close to ending he's becoming like a loan player for us.
So from next season will have little asset (transfer) value to us. He can just wind down his contract and cash in becoming an instant millionaire.
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Are you realising that if Ndaiye winds down his contract (18 months) then he will continue to receive a small (comparatively) salary in comparison to his colleagues? The rumour is that he is payed £4100 per week. If he was to sign a new contract with us at say £23000 per week (similar to Baldock, Egan, Norwood etc.), then he would (in those 18 months), earn an extra £1.5m. Also, that is just basic...there could be all sorts of add-ons etc. included, plus things like promotion bonuses/relegation clauses.
 
AnstonBlade1 said:
The England team always will be overhyped and overrated, are the current lot better than the so called “golden generation”🤷‍♂️ Not so sure and they won absolutely I nothing.
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No I don't believe they are but why are we overated, there's some incredible talent in the squad, there generally is, we underachieve enormously. The golden generation as they were called lost to a great Brazil side In Japan, then they underachieved hugely by losing on penalties in Portugal and again in Germany to a Portugal team who were nowhere near as good on paper, 2006 especially was such a great chance. This england squad under Southgate has had extremely easy draws in the 3 tournaments up to now, losing to a much worse Croatia team and probably an even worse Italy team, so once again hugely underachieved imo despite reaching a semi and a final, you sometimes have to consider the opponenents, but yes you do have to beat them, take Iceland as an example in 2016, so Hopefully that changes in a couple of weeks time. The squad is as good as any so let's hope they can turn up against a decent team this time around.
 
Blademan18891889 said:
No I don't believe they are but why are we overated, there's some incredible talent in the squad, there generally is, we underachieve enormously. The golden generation as they were called lost to a great Brazil side In Japan, then they underachieved hugely by losing on penalties in Portugal and again in Germany to a Portugal team who were nowhere near as good on paper, 2006 especially was such a great chance. This england squad under Southgate has had extremely easy draws in the 3 tournaments up to now, losing to a much worse Croatia team and probably an even worse Italy team, so once again hugely underachieved imo despite reaching a semi and a final, you sometimes have to consider the opponenents, but yes you do have to beat them, take Iceland as an example in 2016, so Hopefully that changes in a couple of weeks time. The squad is as good as any so let's hope they can turn up against a decent team this time around.
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If Croatia and Italy were crap they must have beaten some right rubbish as well to reach the World Cup final and win the Euros respectively.
 
Blademan18891889 said:
No I don't believe they are but why are we overated, there's some incredible talent in the squad, there generally is, we underachieve enormously. The golden generation as they were called lost to a great Brazil side In Japan, then they underachieved hugely by losing on penalties in Portugal and again in Germany to a Portugal team who were nowhere near as good on paper, 2006 especially was such a great chance. This england squad under Southgate has had extremely easy draws in the 3 tournaments up to now, losing to a much worse Croatia team and probably an even worse Italy team, so once again hugely underachieved imo despite reaching a semi and a final, you sometimes have to consider the opponenents, but yes you do have to beat them, take Iceland as an example in 2016, so Hopefully that changes in a couple of weeks time. The squad is as good as any so let's hope they can turn up against a decent team this time around.
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The media cause the overhype, bigging the players up like there all prime Messi’s
Don’t get me wrong there are some good players within the squad but I see a lot of average run of the mill players.

Personally don’t see all the fuss around Rice people saying he’s worth 100million, he’s not he’s just an average midfielder, Grealish isn’t a 100million player yet he’s bigged up like he’s Maradona.
 
MobileBlade said:
If Croatia and Italy were crap they must have beaten some right rubbish as well to reach the World Cup final and win the Euros respectively.
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Croatia beat Argentina in the group easily but then had to beat Denmark and Russia on penalties before beating us, so yes I'd say they also had a piss easy route. Italy did well to be fair, from memory they beat Belgium and Spain, may be wrong buy Austria rings a bell as the other team, but they aren't even at this world cup, how good can they be? England took the lead and should've destroyed them but we did exactly as we did against Croatia, score early then sit back
 
AnstonBlade1 said:
The media cause the overhype, bigging the players up like there all prime Messi’s
Don’t get me wrong there are some good players within the squad but I see a lot of average run of the mill players.

Personally don’t see all the fuss around Rice people saying he’s worth 100million, he’s not he’s just an average midfielder, Grealish isn’t a 100million player yet he’s bigged up like he’s Maradona.
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Media are a disgrace in every way when it comes to England, always try there best to de rail the team. Maguire and stones are good centre halves, trent who somehow doesn't play is world class, foden is world class, then players like kane, sterling, grealish, rice, Henderson, rashford, walker, Shaw are genuine top end footballers, saka, bellingham coming through at a very young age and both performing to a great level already, that's a hell of a good core of players to get into the team, I personally don't think many international teams are that much better than that.
 
Grey Blade said:
I can see similarities between Southgate's style of management and Ramsey's in 1966. I was only 13 at the time but Ramsey took a lot of criticism for not playing Jimmy Greaves ( who was one of the most talented players around at the time) and with today's social media he would have taken a lot more.

I don't think however that Southgate (unlike Ramsey) would have said " England will win the world cup" prior to the competition starting
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The wingless wonders
 



bartman said:
Looking at the two squads objectively, what qualities do you think Senegal have which could lead to them running England ragged ?
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To beat England a team doesn’t have to run us ragged. Just close us down, stop the supply to the front third, press the midfield and watch us be totally unable to get any sort of game pattern going. Iceland did it perfectly not too long back so it can happen.
AnstonBlade1 said:
The media cause the overhype, bigging the players up like there all prime Messi’s
Don’t get me wrong there are some good players within the squad but I see a lot of average run of the mill players.

Personally don’t see all the fuss around Rice people saying he’s worth 100million, he’s not he’s just an average midfielder, Grealish isn’t a 100million player yet he’s bigged up like he’s Maradona.
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Same with Philips, he’s in the squad on last years form and appears to be a Southgate favourite. He’s done nothing this season at Man City to warrant a place in the squad. Decent player but his current form is miles away from World Cup standard. Hope he plays and proves me wrong but I just can’t see it.
 
AnstonBlade1 said:
The England team always will be overhyped and overrated, are the current lot better than the so called “golden generation”🤷‍♂️ Not so sure and they won absolutely I nothing.
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bartman said:
In fairness, i don't think this team has been over hyped compared to the 'golden generation'. The golden generation had, if a recall correctly,had in defence Ferdinand,Terry and Cole, a potential midfield including Gerrard Lampard,Beckam and Scholes. It was the failure of managers that meant the team got no where winning something.

Southgate has done his best to tone things down. Some of the tabloids have done their best to write off players such as Maguire and Rashford. This squad ,in my opinion, is not as good individually in the main as the golden generation one but Southgate seems to have a created a club ethic within the squad which has produced better performances in tournaments which means we have come a lot closer to winning something tha Beckham & co
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I must be in a minority that doesn't think the "golden generation" were overhyped.

A defence including Neville, Sol Campbell Rio Ferdinand, John Terry, Ashley Cole with guys like Woodgate, Ledley King, Jamie Carragher etc. in reserve. These guys were Champions League players, winners, Captains of some of the best clubs in Europe.

In midfield you had Beckham, Lampard, Gerrard all top three shortlisted for the Ballon d'Or during that era.
Paul Scholes, a generational talent. Leaders / winners of Champions League winning teams.
These guys were backed up by the likes of Joe Cole, Hargreaves, Carrick. More guys that were as a minimum Champions League players, but also winners and players that had a lot about them.

Up front, Balon D'Or winner Michael Owen and the most talented player of them all - Wayne Rooney.

They massively underachieved under a poor manager (Sven) playing an archaic system that managed to get the worst out of everyone, but the expectations were justified.
That was a ridiculously talented bunch of players with at least 4/5 players that would've walked into almost any other side.
 
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South Sea Blade said:
Are you realising that if Ndaiye winds down his contract (18 months) then he will continue to receive a small (comparatively) salary in comparison to his colleagues? The rumour is that he is payed £4100 per week. If he was to sign a new contract with us at say £23000 per week (similar to Baldock, Egan, Norwood etc.), then he would (in those 18 months), earn an extra £1.5m. Also, that is just basic...there could be all sorts of add-ons etc. included, plus things like promotion bonuses/relegation clauses.
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But he won’t, he’ll go to Barcelona based on the comments on this thread 😂
 
Rufus Smalls said:
To beat England a team doesn’t have to run us ragged. Just close us down, stop the supply to the front third, press the midfield and watch us be totally unable to get any sort of game pattern going. Iceland did it perfectly not too long back so it can happen.

Same with Philips, he’s in the squad on last years form and appears to be a Southgate favourite. He’s done nothing this season at Man City to warrant a place in the squad. Decent player but his current form is miles away from World Cup standard. Hope he plays and proves me wrong but I just can’t see it.
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Hes been injured all season.
 
Swinton Blade said:
I know who was Manager. Wilder did great things for this football club but signing Ndiaye wasn't one of them.
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I get your point and not for 1 minute do I think that Wilder was frantically calling the Prince to sign this kid who played for Boreham Wood, but the original poster argued that people like Retsos and Zivkovic were Wilder signings (which I highly doubt....and Verrips too). However they were signed whilst Wilder was the manager, which is the same in Ndaiye's case.
 
South Sea Blade said:
I get your point and not for 1 minute do I think that Wilder was frantically calling the Prince to sign this kid who played for Boreham Wood, but the original poster argued that people like Retsos and Zivkovic were Wilder signings (which I highly doubt....and Verrips too). However they were signed whilst Wilder was the manager, which is the same in Ndaiye's case.
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Only Heckingbottom (and Nydiaye) can claim anything for Nydiaye's progress. Hecky knew his ability from U23's gave him his league debt, rested him when needed allowed him free roaming role.
 
BushBlade said:
Who we could never fit into the team. Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes played in the same position at their clubs, and Beckham was a wide midfielder in a midfield four. No manager was able to get the balance right and I’ve always believed there was pressure from the sponsors, via the FA, to include them all.
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Easy to say in hindsight when 3-5-2 is much more common, but that formation would have worked a dream with Scholes in the Norwood role.

Not sure if Beckham ever played wingback but he had the engine for it.
 



Working Class Hero said:
Easy to say in hindsight when 3-5-2 is much more common, but that formation would have worked a dream with Scholes in the Norwood role.

Not sure if Beckham ever played wingback but he had the engine for it.
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You wouldn’t have played Scholes in the Norwood role.

None of Scholes, Gerrard or Lampard would have fit that role, they were all much better suited to playing further up the pitch.
 
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