Ndiaye V England.

[Snowflake]

I'm making the wild assumption that everybody on this site is primarily a Sheffield United fan, and would therefore hope that Ndaiye is available to play for Sheffield United whenever we need him.

I do sometimes wonder if your “wild assumption” is entirely correct !!

 

[Balham]

Couple of things, firstly the contract situation and what he's now potentially worth in terms of wages means, we cannot afford to keep him now unless we go up, his performances in the league and at this WC are enough for a top club to take a "cheap" 50k a week deal on him as free transfer..

That's why it's quiet about a new deal, remember we let an £6m player in lunny go because of not meeting the wage demands of a "free" player, we won't meet the wage demands on Mcburnie either and he'll go on a free... We are in the dark ages on this re signing after contracts expire.

(note: only players the wrong side of 26 seem to re sign don't they)

Secondly we sell him he goes, we don't he leaves after the contract runs out.. My opinion is keep him, let his swansong be taking us up, his future is his to decide, as a few have said enjoy him while you can is the best way of looking at it.

What we should do, give him the top money in a new contract, and sell him shortly after for the top value as they have to buy out a 4 year contract, the big clubs do this all the time, the players agree because it's 2 pay rises isn't it, and a bigger signing on fee based on a percentage of a now bigger transfer fee..

At which point and in what world was Lundstram worth £6m? It was clear that we would have accepted an offer either in the summer of 2020 or January 2021 yet none were forthcoming.

 

[CPB]

At which point and in what world was Lundstram worth £6m? It was clear that we would have accepted an offer either in the summer of 2020 or January 2021 yet none were forthcoming.

To be fair after the 2019-20 season Lundstram probably was a £6m player but also one that only had 12 months to go.

He's done OK at Rangers but would he have done so at another Prem club.
For me, I liked him in the first half the first prem season. He was committed, driven and took his chance in the team. Something that went unnoticed was the amount of ground he covered going forwards and back.
I never actually felt he was particularly excellent, but he fitted the system well.

When Berge came in, it did seem like he felt threatened and the contract talks broke down the following summer. Wilders mistake for me here was to keep giving him starting places or game time when it was evident he wasn't always totally in it.
The runs back and forth certainly dropped off and it was a detriment to the team.

Mind you the mistake that summer was recruitment. It wasn't all on Wilder at all as alot of it was out of his hands but you do wonder if we targeted the right positions

 

[Tezza1889]

At which point and in what world was Lundstram worth £6m? It was clear that we would have accepted an offer either in the summer of 2020 or January 2021 yet none were forthcoming.

He had been a regular in the Premier league, try to buy one cheaper than 6m who's at 26/27 years old. .

There were no offers because the cat was out of the bag regarding him running his contract down.

We spent 5m on Luke Freeman, 6m isn't far off the mark as a valuation for lunny.

 

[pommpey]

He had been a regular in the Premier league, try to buy one cheaper than 6m who's at 26/27 years old. .

There were no offers because the cat was out of the bag regarding him running his contract down.

We spent 5m on Luke Freeman, 6m isn't far off the mark as a valuation for lunny.

Five fucking million on Freeman. 24 games, 1 goal for an as then club record fee.

Good work, Wilder.

pommpey

 

[South Sea Blade]

Five fucking million on Freeman. 24 games, 1 goal for an as then club record fee.

Good work, Wilder.

pommpey

O'Connell, Egan, Stevens, Baldock, Fleck, Norwood, Fodringham, Ndaiye, Duffy, Bogle

Good work, Wilder.

 

[pommpey]

O'Connell, Egan, Stevens, Baldock, Fleck, Norwood, Fodringham, Ndaiye, Duffy, Bogle

Good work, Wilder.

Burke, McBurnie, Mousset, Rodwell, Retsos, Zivkovic, Robinson, Bryan, Morrisson, Ramsdale, Ampadu, Lundstram, Brewster

Fifteen-two, Fifteen-four, Fifteen-six and a pair's eight ...

pommpey

 

[South Sea Blade]

Burke, McBurnie, Mousset, Rodwell, Retsos, Zivkovic, Robinson, Bryan, Morrisson, Ramsdale, Ampadu, Lundstram, Brewster

Fifteen-two, Fifteen-four, Fifteen-six and a pair's eight ...

pommpey

You're counting Rodwell, Retsos, Zivkovic, Bryan and Morrisson......really? They were obviously brought in as cover players/punts costing the square root of fuck all. It could be argued that Mousset & Lundstram weren't a waste of money just because of the purple patch they went through during the first half of the premier league season - we wouldn't have finished as high as ninth without them. McBurnie currently doing well and could yet prove to be a decent buy.....it all depends on the rest of this season to judge that. Ramsdale....errr currently in the England squad and whom we sold at a profit. the others I give you....but name me any manager who has a success rate of 100%.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Sadly I don't think we will have a choice.

It is usual for International squads returning from a tournament to be given extra time to recover. Illi had played a lot of football leading up to the WC, flew straight out to Qatar and straight into training in a very hot and humid environment, has been involved in 2 of the 3 games and will probably start against England on Sunday. If the Senegalese get knocked out he won't arrive back in the UK until Tuesday at the earliest, that's even if they are allowed to leave camp on the Monday and fly straight home...which again I doubt....it will probably be Qatar to Senegal on the Monday, Senegal to UK on Tuesday or Wednesday....again at the very earliest....

After a long flight from Qatar to the UK, (7.5 hours, even longer if he has to go via Senegal) he then has to re-acclamitise, and get treatment for any niggles or knocks. He wont be playing against Huddersfield...

It's not humid at all this time of year and the flight is 6 hours.

 

[pommpey]

You're counting Rodwell, Retsos, Zivkovic, Bryan and Morrisson......really? They were obviously brought in as cover players/punts costing the square root of fuck all. It could be argued that Mousset & Lundstram weren't a waste of money just because of the purple patch they went through during the first half of the premier league season - we wouldn't have finished as high as ninth without them. McBurnie currently doing well and could yet prove to be a decent buy.....it all depends on the rest of this season to judge that. Ramsdale....errr currently in the England squad and whom we sold at a profit. the others I give you....but name me any manager who has a success rate of 100%.

Hmmm. Rodwell, Retsos, Zivkovic, Bryan and Morrisson - the narrative at the time was 'what the fuck?' especially with the checked-in hold baggage that was Morrison, Bryan was a liability and the rest looked to be just making up the numbers at the expense of even just one better option even on loan. I think the net worth of Lundstram and Moussett is still in the overdrawn margin if truth be told. Lundstram jumped the shark halfway through the second half v Man U at BDTBL and never ever showed anything positive thereafter. And Mossetts goals, although 'goals', were scuffers and shinners apart from the one v Man U which was in effect his best game. Tell me his enduring failure to even play ninety for us in 43 appearances in three seasons because of laziness, lack of fitness or being made out of chipsticks pays anything back.

And Ramsdale ... I could point at several goals against us in that season which were questionably his fault. He's only in the Arsenal squad and England bench because of circumstance. McBurnie, the jury is out after along trial and Brewster, Wilder's big spend, has serially failed to deliver the goods

pommpey

 

[Balham]

He had been a regular in the Premier league, try to buy one cheaper than 6m who's at 26/27 years old. .

There were no offers because the cat was out of the bag regarding him running his contract down.

We spent 5m on Luke Freeman, 6m isn't far off the mark as a valuation for lunny.

I'm going to disagree. Lundstram was lauded mainly by FPL players owing to his bizarre classification as a defender in the first PL season. Had he been worth £6m someone would have offered us £2m knowing that his contract was up in 12 months. That didn't happen and it's notable that he had no offers from Premier League sides before he moved to Rangers.

Luke Freeman is a non-sequitur. He was one of a series of...interesting....signings by Wilder whose resistance to the European market meant that our wage budget would only buy bang-average Championship players. See also Callum Robinson. The fact that QPR stiffed us for £4m for Freeman and Preston similar for Robinson would put Lundsram in the £2-3m bracket for me.

 

[JJBlade]

You're counting Rodwell, Retsos, Zivkovic, Bryan and Morrisson......really? They were obviously brought in as cover players/punts costing the square root of fuck all. It could be argued that Mousset & Lundstram weren't a waste of money just because of the purple patch they went through during the first half of the premier league season - we wouldn't have finished as high as ninth without them. McBurnie currently doing well and could yet prove to be a decent buy.....it all depends on the rest of this season to judge that. Ramsdale....errr currently in the England squad and whom we sold at a profit. the others I give you....but name me any manager who has a success rate of 100%.

Ahhhh the good old cover players.
Where would we be without an average starting eleven and a bunch of "Versatile" one legged, blind, physically and mentally impaired cover players to back them up.

 

[Dark muffy]

Hmmm. Rodwell, Retsos, Zivkovic, Bryan and Morrisson - the narrative at the time was 'what the fuck?' especially with the checked-in hold baggage that was Morrison, Bryan was a liability and the rest looked to be just making up the numbers at the expense of even just one better option even on loan. I think the net worth of Lundstram and Moussett is still in the overdrawn margin if truth be told. Lundstram jumped the shark halfway through the second half v Man U at BDTBL and never ever showed anything positive thereafter. And Mossetts goals, although 'goals', were scuffers and shinners apart from the one v Man U which was in effect his best game. Tell me his enduring failure to even play ninety for us in 43 appearances in three seasons because of laziness, lack of fitness or being made out of chipsticks pays anything back.

And Ramsdale ... I could point at several goals against us in that season which were questionably his fault. He's only in the Arsenal squad and England bench because of circumstance. McBurnie, the jury is out after along trial and Brewster, Wilder's big spend, has serially failed to deliver the goods

pommpey

Anyone who signed Jack Rodwell should never be allowed to manage or comment on any football matters ever again. Lazy, greedy, heart the size of a pea absolute waster of a footballer.

 

[Torrix1889]

It's not humid at all this time of year and the flight is 6 hours.

Wont make much difference if he doesn't leave Qatar until Tuesday, then flies to Senegal and leaves there Thursday.......he's still not going to be ready for Saturday....

 

[Houston_Blade]

Wont make much difference if he doesn't leave Qatar until Tuesday, then flies to Senegal and leaves there Thursday.......he's still not going to be ready for Saturday....

Hopefully he flies straight home.

 

[Frank the tank]

Burke, McBurnie, Mousset, Rodwell, Retsos, Zivkovic, Robinson, Bryan, Morrisson, Ramsdale, Ampadu, Lundstram, Brewster

Fifteen-two, Fifteen-four, Fifteen-six and a pair's eight ...

pommpey

Got 30 million quid for ramsdale ,mcburnie and mousset more than paid their transfer fees in points earned in the prem
Two of those were speculative loans from abroad and most of the rest were squad fillers

 

[pommpey]

Got 30 million quid for ramsdale ,mcburnie and mousset more than paid their transfer fees in points earned in the prem
Two of those were speculative loans from abroad and most of the rest were squad fillers

Okay, we disagree. I could counter that McBurnie and Moussett the following season were fucking dire. McBurnie played in 25 games and gave us one, solitary goal and for much of that season looked woeful either in match readiness or sharpness as a striker. Moussett spent that season basically hanging off a strap and when we did finally haul him off his lazy fucking arse he looked so inept and disinterested it was difficult to imagine what the fuck Wilder had been thinking when he signed him from Bournemouth. Ir first goal by a striker didn't come until McBurnie's only goal v Leicester at the Lane much of our losses up to that time being via single goal differences, exactly when you want a striker to be effective to rescue a point. By the time the season was over and we were effectively relegated ... and Wilder jumped ship with his cash ... any 'gained value' of those two from the previous season was lost. And in any case, post lockdown in that PL season we were massively sussed out and our balloon was deflating anyway.

pommpey

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

Anyway, coming back to Ndiaye, it will be interesting to see how Maguire and Stones cope with him if he plays a central role. If he plays on the right, as is perhaps more likely, will he make a mug of Shaw? Let`s hope he doesn`t get kicked up in the air too much.

 

[Digs blade]

Anyway, coming back to Ndiaye, it will be interesting to see how Maguire and Stones cope with him if he plays a central role. If he plays on the right, as is perhaps more likely, will he make a mug of Shaw? Let`s hope he doesn`t get kicked up in the air too much.

Hope not but if there is any kicking to be done then Ndiaye can hold his own in that department

 

[Frank the tank]

Okay, we disagree. I could counter that McBurnie and Moussett the following season were fucking dire. McBurnie played in 25 games and gave us one, solitary goal and for much of that season looked woeful either in match readiness or sharpness as a striker. Moussett spent that season basically hanging off a strap and when we did finally haul him off his lazy fucking arse he looked so inept and disinterested it was difficult to imagine what the fuck Wilder had been thinking when he signed him from Bournemouth. Ir first goal by a striker didn't come until McBurnie's only goal v Leicester at the Lane much of our losses up to that time being via single goal differences, exactly when you want a striker to be effective to rescue a point. By the time the season was over and we were effectively relegated ... and Wilder jumped ship with his cash ... any 'gained value' of those two from the previous season was lost. And in any case, post lockdown in that PL season we were massively sussed out and our balloon was deflating anyway.

pommpey

All that is true but like i said they had repaid their transfer fees snd wages by securing another 150 m pounds

 

[pommpey]

Anyway, coming back to Ndiaye, it will be interesting to see how Maguire and Stones cope with him if he plays a central role. If he plays on the right, as is perhaps more likely, will he make a mug of Shaw? Let`s hope he doesn`t get kicked up in the air too much.

If he's played as a ten he can run at the two central defenders, providing the intercepting defensive midfielders aren't anywhere near him. If Southgate puts Phillips on him, he won't get much of a sniff. If he's out wide, Shaw will tuck him down his sock because there's no one to play with.

pommpey

 

[bakeblade]

Wont make much difference if he doesn't leave Qatar until Tuesday, then flies to Senegal and leaves there Thursday.......he's still not going to be ready for Saturday....

Why would he fly to Senegal? Surely he'll just fly back to the UK

 

[ATL Recs]

Five fucking million on Freeman. 24 games, 1 goal for an as then club record fee.

Good work, Wilder.

pommpey

I doubt that's how you felt when we bought him hindsight is a wonderful thing

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I doubt that's how you felt when we bought him hindsight is a wonderful thing

I thought it was a sensible signing. He had been one of the best attacking midfielders in the Championship. £4-5m seemed a very good price.

 

[pommpey]

I doubt that's how you felt when we bought him hindsight is a wonderful thing

When we signed him, I thought 'five seasons too late' and was questioning where he'd fit in ... possibly the empty Duffy role.

So yeah, hindisight is a wonderful thing, if you need it that is. Especially when it cost five million for a half a season of games and one, solitary goal in a Cup game

pommpey

 

[Stanthemanfan]

I didn't know we get paid for illys exploits?!

 

[Torrix1889]

Why would he fly to Senegal? Surely he'll just fly back to the UK

I didn't say he would but we can't say for definite that he wont....they could have obligations to fulfil as a squad first...

 

[ThatJa]

We get paid 18k for every day he's at the WC.

Also I don't think he will start v England.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

If he's played as a ten he can run at the two central defenders, providing the intercepting defensive midfielders aren't anywhere near him. If Southgate puts Phillips on him, he won't get much of a sniff. If he's out wide, Shaw will tuck him down his sock because there's no one to play with.

pommpey

If England put Philips on anyone I see it as a bad move by Southgate. He will be very much lacking in match fitness and this could be a disaster up against Illiman. If Ndiaye is on form and gets some good runs with the ball at his feet then Philips will be chasing shadows.

 

[Blademan18891889]

Am I actually reading things correctly here, are there people suggesting maguire, stones, Shaw, Phillips will get run ragged by a championship player, yes I mean 2 of them play for the best team in the world and the other 2 play for the biggest club in the world who I will admit aren't currently brilliant , yet they'll get run ragged by a 2nd division player, come on let's get a bit of perspective on this people.