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Sunderland should rightly enjoy their moment because next season will be abject misery for them. We might have been in a slightly better position but not much and certainly weaker than our 2019 squad that did so well before the unthinkable happened.

Next season’s Championship looks weaker with Leicester also facing a points deduction. Another Championship season on the backs of Seriki, Peck, Brooks and Blaster will give them a better chance of stepping up next time round.

In terms of comings and goings: Hamer will be gone, Brewster is off to the SPL (both said their goodbyes to those fans that remained yesterday). Anel will probably stay unless a stupid offer comes in. Likewise Souza, who still has two years left. Robbo has triggered his extra year and we have an option to keep Choudury, which we will surely take. I can’t see any of the other loanees returning though I would take Rak Sakyi back if the terms were right.

With JJ Kenny and Jimmy Dunne joining, by my reckoning, that leaves us needing another LCB, two or three wide players, a 10 and another striker. So, 5 or 6 players, which is not a major rebuild.

Replacing Hamer’s goal contributions and general artistry is obviously the big one and will probably need to be via the loan market. We also need more goals from central midfield (none this season) and central defence ( Dunne notched 5 in the league this season for QPR).

On finances, we received £49m in parachute money for 2024/25 and will get around £40m next season. Hamer should bring in £25m+ and we’ll lose our highest earner in Brewster. So, financially it’s not disastrous, especially when viewed in the context of how much we would have needed to spend to win 35 points (the survival number for the past three seasons) next season. We will certainly learn plenty about our new owners, which is needed because they show little interest in articulating their plans for OUR club.

Yesterday still hurts and you could feel the anxiety amongst supporters before and during the game. However, this is not disastrous in the bigger scheme of things. We’ve had a good, and sometimes great, run of things for the best part of a decade now. Not something to ever take for granted as a Blades fan. We still have a good, young squad and a manager who knows what it takes to win promotion from the Championship. We also have new owners who will only make money by getting us there.

The future’s bright - let’s go again!
 

Woke up this morning quite patriotic, yesterday was another bad day in the long list of blades memories. However we can’t turn our back, the animosity from rival fans plastered everywhere I take as a good thing, means where doing most things right as a club.

Now we need to use this to fuel us next season and wrong some rights, will be tough no doubt but win in silence, have a plan get the Dore sight moving build infrastructure and get to where we need to be, marathon not a sprint.

Keep the faith UTB
 
The first role to consider is the manager. For me we need a fresh start, and no bladey-bladeness will change that. Sunderland were there for the taking and we just invited pressure all that second half bar a minor scrappy spell. Every fan in the ground could see the equaliser coming, apart from the one making decisions.

We have a good starting point to build on, and next season will be tough, but new direction is needed.

Thanks for everything Wilder, but it think it’s time to turn the page and see what happens.
 
The Bohemian said:
Sunderland should rightly enjoy their moment because next season will be abject misery for them. We might have been in a slightly better position but not much and certainly weaker than our 2019 squad that did so well before the unthinkable happened.

Next season’s Championship looks weaker with Leicester also facing a points deduction. Another Championship season on the backs of Seriki, Peck, Brooks and Blaster will give them a better chance of stepping up next time round.

In terms of comings and goings: Hamer will be gone, Brewster is off to the SPL (both said their goodbyes to those fans that remained yesterday). Anel will probably stay unless a stupid offer comes in. Likewise Souza, who still has two years left. Robbo has triggered his extra year and we have an option to keep Choudury, which we will surely take. I can’t see any of the other loanees returning though I would take Rak Sakyi back if the terms were right.

With JJ Kenny and Jimmy Dunne joining, by my reckoning, that leaves us needing another LCB, two or three wide players, a 10 and another striker. So, 5 or 6 players, which is not a major rebuild.

Replacing Hamer’s goal contributions and general artistry is obviously the big one and will probably need to be via the loan market. We also need more goals from central midfield (none this season) and central defence ( Dunne notched 5 in the league this season for QPR).

On finances, we received £49m in parachute money for 2024/25 and will get around £40m next season. Hamer should bring in £25m+ and we’ll lose our highest earner in Brewster. So, financially it’s not disastrous, especially when viewed in the context of how much we would have needed to spend to win 35 points (the survival number for the past three seasons) next season. We will certainly learn plenty about our new owners, which is needed because they show little interest in articulating their plans for OUR club.

Yesterday still hurts and you could feel the anxiety amongst supporters before and during the game. However, this is not disastrous in the bigger scheme of things. We’ve had a good, and sometimes great, run of things for the best part of a decade now. Not something to ever take for granted as a Blades fan. We still have a good, young squad and a manager who knows what it takes to win promotion from the Championship. We also have new owners who will only make money by getting us there.

The future’s bright - let’s go again!
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How do you know all this?
 
Yesterday was very rough. To lose the way we did is so cruel, I can’t get the brooks chance out of my head, it’s gone into the same book as the ndiaye miss v forest in the playoffs. I’m gutted for the lads, but just hope we can do what Leeds have done this season. We were so close, heartbreaking day
 
Just on next seasons finances, does anyone know how much the play off final is worth to the losers i.e. Us
 
Wow…..an actual grown up/ logical thread.

Excellent, level headed opening post from The Bohemian.
Yes we’re all suffering and some are acting like the world has ended. They’d be totally useless in a real war.

We need to dust ourselves down, stay calm and logically plan ahead the new season.
As stated the future is still very positive and logically we’ll be challenging next season too.

Regards the manager….he has good points and concerning points (I suppose like most managers).
Still bemused about the signing and limited usage of Rob Holding.

Suspect the owners will keep faith with Wilder and review the situation in November/ December time.
Some of our fans will be baying for blood, so he’ll be under pressure from the start of the season.

I suppose in these situations, it’s so easy to be like a Hull City or Watford and demand “sack the manager”
But you need to find a replacement who is better, so it would be a big risk. We could even go backwards with a new manager.
 
The Bohemian said:
Next season’s Championship looks weaker with Leicester also facing a points deduction.
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Strong disagree on this.

All three tams that come down will be strong - even a 5 point deduction wont necessarily ensure a mid table finish for Leicester. Can't see any of them doing a Luton.

Coventry will be decent. As will Boro.

Birmingham will spend big.

Rather than it being 3 teams fighting out at the top, it could well be 4 or 5.

We need to get our recruitment spot on. And even if we do it's probably playoffs at best for us - and we know how that goes.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Wow…..an actual grown up/ logical thread.

Excellent, level headed opening post from The Bohemian.
Yes we’re all suffering and some are acting like the world has ended. They’d be totally useless in a real war.

We need to dust ourselves down, stay calm and logically plan ahead the new season.
As stated the future is still very positive and logically we’ll be challenging next season too.

Regards the manager….he has good points and concerning points (I suppose like most managers).
Still bemused about the signing and limited usage of Rob Holding.

Suspect the owners will keep faith with Wilder and review the situation in November/ December time.
Some of our fans will be baying for blood, so he’ll be under pressure from the start of the season.

I suppose in these situations, it’s so easy to be like a Hull City or Watford and demand “sack the manager”
But you need to find a replacement who is better, so it would be a big risk. We could even go backwards with a new manager.
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Everything happens in context. We had the third highest wages budget and finished third. Leeds, with by far the highest budget, finished top and Burnley with the second highest finished second. Sunderland were the outliers, getting promoted, like us in 2019, with a mid table budget.

Breaking the record for points gained and not getting promoted is such a Sheffield United thing and on one level, yes we failed, but does that really qualify as a bad season and justify sacking the manager?
 
I would imagine Hamer will go. Others are debateable. Im concerned likes of Burrows and Cooper will be seen as targets for clubs too.

Why we signed Holding and not used him bemuses me. Robinson and Ahmedhodzic never made me comfy. Soutter would be a good addition but feel Leicester will use him now.
 

ekke287 said:
The first role to consider is the manager. For me we need a fresh start, and no bladey-bladeness will change that. Sunderland were there for the taking and we just invited pressure all that second half bar a minor scrappy spell. Every fan in the ground could see the equaliser coming, apart from the one making decisions.

We have a good starting point to build on, and next season will be tough, but new direction is needed.

Thanks for everything Wilder, but it think it’s time to turn the page and see what happens.
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We know what happens.
 

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The Bohemian said:
Breaking the record for points gained and not getting promoted is such a Sheffield United thing
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And finishing 14 points ahead of our opponents in the okay of final and losing (something that has never been done before)

And winning both our play of semis without covering a goal and not being promoted (also something that has never been done before)

We seem to have a knack of doing things for the first time - and not in a good way.
 
Do they still do that thing where the winners give up their share of the gate receipt's to the losers? I know it was a gentleman's agreement type thing they did back a few years ago as the team going up got so much. Im guessing by the nature of football greed, thats probably gone out of the window now.
 
The Bohemian said:
Everything happens in context. We had the third highest wages budget and finished third. Leeds, with by far the highest budget, finished top and Burnley with the second highest finished second. Sunderland were the outliers, getting promoted, like us in 2019, with a mid table budget.

Breaking the record for points gained and not getting promoted is such a Sheffield United thing and on one level, yes we failed, but does that really qualify as a bad season and justify sacking the manager?
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A lot of people would say leeds and Burnleys budget spending has achieved its aim
The 3rd biggest budget failed again
They must be consequences for this or maybe the new owners may say give it till xmas with our investment and see where we are then
I believe xmas will bevtoo late,both the summer and jtw will be a farce
 
The new owners need to step up now rather than later and show us there intentions,on Wilder while I accept he's a good championship manager his limitations are time again proven in big games ,as said before recruitment needs to be right as next season looks like it could be a much stronger division and for one actually looking forward to it rather than the week in week out drubbings and the sh*te of var
 
ekke287 said:
The first role to consider is the manager. For me we need a fresh start, and no bladey-bladeness will change that. Sunderland were there for the taking and we just invited pressure all that second half bar a minor scrappy spell. Every fan in the ground could see the equaliser coming, apart from the one making decisions.

We have a good starting point to build on, and next season will be tough, but new direction is needed.

Thanks for everything Wilder, but it think it’s time to turn the page and see what happens.
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Wilder has three years left on his contract. That will be expensive to terminate so it's only worth changing if we have the structure in place above the manager to implement the boards vision of the future (Director of Football or whatever). I'm hoping this has been going on in the background. Although the board members we are aware of don't seem to have the required football knowledge they are successful in their own areas so will most likely look to employ some who do have the required expertise? I'm hoping Steve Bettis has contacts to help with this!
 
I was having this conversation with my dad on way home.

If we are happy to be a top 10 champ side, ocassionally getting on to the prem or flirting with play offs while playing a dated style of football. Wilder is your man. - let’s not forgot the decade of dross we suffered before his arrival.

However if we are serious about getting in to and remaining in there with a style of play and recruitment strategy that covers 3 years + then it’s over to someone else.
 
The Bohemian said:
Sunderland should rightly enjoy their moment because next season will be abject misery for them. We might have been in a slightly better position but not much and certainly weaker than our 2019 squad that did so well before the unthinkable happened.

Next season’s Championship looks weaker with Leicester also facing a points deduction. Another Championship season on the backs of Seriki, Peck, Brooks and Blaster will give them a better chance of stepping up next time round.

In terms of comings and goings: Hamer will be gone, Brewster is off to the SPL (both said their goodbyes to those fans that remained yesterday). Anel will probably stay unless a stupid offer comes in. Likewise Souza, who still has two years left. Robbo has triggered his extra year and we have an option to keep Choudury, which we will surely take. I can’t see any of the other loanees returning though I would take Rak Sakyi back if the terms were right.

With JJ Kenny and Jimmy Dunne joining, by my reckoning, that leaves us needing another LCB, two or three wide players, a 10 and another striker. So, 5 or 6 players, which is not a major rebuild.

Replacing Hamer’s goal contributions and general artistry is obviously the big one and will probably need to be via the loan market. We also need more goals from central midfield (none this season) and central defence ( Dunne notched 5 in the league this season for QPR).

On finances, we received £49m in parachute money for 2024/25 and will get around £40m next season. Hamer should bring in £25m+ and we’ll lose our highest earner in Brewster. So, financially it’s not disastrous, especially when viewed in the context of how much we would have needed to spend to win 35 points (the survival number for the past three seasons) next season. We will certainly learn plenty about our new owners, which is needed because they show little interest in articulating their plans for OUR club.

Yesterday still hurts and you could feel the anxiety amongst supporters before and during the game. However, this is not disastrous in the bigger scheme of things. We’ve had a good, and sometimes great, run of things for the best part of a decade now. Not something to ever take for granted as a Blades fan. We still have a good, young squad and a manager who knows what it takes to win promotion from the Championship. We also have new owners who will only make money by getting us there.

The future’s bright - let’s go again!
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We get £34m in parachute money next season, watched that fan debate on the Overlap on YouTube yesterday before the game (recorded before Man U Spurs game).

Kieran Maguire is on it and he does a small segment on what happens to parachute money when a club is promoted to the PL (in regards to us, Leeds and Burnley), mentions that we get £34m next season and I think it was £16m in the third year.

Given that the new owners dropped £10m on Cannon in January, I'd be surprised if they didn't give CW a decent budget next season, based off of that alone.

I think a lot of it will ultimately come down to who stays and who leaves.

Dunne would be ideal for us, same with JJK, Darling and Dolan, all of whom are out of contract and would probably jump at the chance to join us if we really want them, like O'Hare, Campbell and McCallum did because we went after them early.

Mepham is out of contract and if Sunderland don't sign him, I'd have him at the Lane, we've been linked with him multiple times before.

Callum Doyle would be another good option at LCB as well, can't imagine he'd be happy to stay at Man City if he just keeps getting sent out on loan.

As for signing a 10 and a striker (keeping O'Hare, Cannon, Moore and Campbell with Oné waiting in the wings), that depends on what formation we go with next season, personally I think we've played better with 4-4-2 than 4-2-3-1 as it suits certain players (Moore, Brooks, Brewster, Burrows and Souza) better than 4-2-3-1 did, even though O'Hare can't play in a 4-4-2, unless we give him a free role out wide maybe.
 
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Selly said:
Strong disagree on this.

All three tams that come down will be strong - even a 5 point deduction wont necessarily ensure a mid table finish for Leicester. Can't see any of them doing a Luton.

Coventry will be decent. As will Boro.

Birmingham will spend big.

Rather than it being 3 teams fighting out at the top, it could well be 4 or 5.

We need to get our recruitment spot on. And even if we do it's probably playoffs at best for us - and we know how that goes.
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Our biggest threat next season is closer to home, mindset.

Irrespective of whos manager, my first signing would be a top sports psychologist


How/can wilder bounce back, he will think he can, but he has been exposed tactically at times, our squad is top 2, is our manager?

No way next season 2 teams hit 100 points, fuckin freak of a year

Southampton are wank
Leicester are top 6
If Ipswich lose McKenna and Delap mid table
 
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