Moving on…

[The Bohemian]

A new three year contract for Wilder tells its own story. Wilder will start the season but, stating the obvious, won’t finish it unless we’re on course for promotion.

Getting the right five or six players in is critical. Wilder might have less input than you think there. He has a seat at the table but not necessarily a final say. Completely different from the Paul Mitchell days.

I’m with you on VAR, adds nothing for me and if supporters had their say (imagine that!), I expect a big majority would get rid.

 

[Bladey_blade]

We get £34m in parachute money next season, watched that fan debate on the Overlap on YouTube yesterday before the game (recorded before Man U Spurs game).

Kieran Maguire is on it and he does a small segment on what happens to parachute money when a club is promoted to the PL (in regards to us, Leeds and Burnley), mentions that we get £34m next season and I think it was £16m in the third year.

Given that the new owners dropped £10m on Cannon in January, I'd be surprised if they didn't give CW a decent budget next season, based off of that alone.

I think a lot of it will ultimately come down to who stays and who leaves.

Dunne would be ideal for us, same with JJK, Darling and Dolan, all of whom are out of contract and would probably jump at the chance to join us if we really want them, like O'Hare, Campbell and McCallum did because we went after them early.

Mepham is out of contract and if Sunderland don't sign him, I'd have him at the Lane, we've been linked with him multiple times before.

Callum Doyle would be another good option at LCB as well, can't imagine he'd be happy to stay at Man City if he just keeps getting sent out on loan.

Should have been on the phone to the agents of Poku, Dolan, Darling, Dunne, JJK the minute the whistle blew yesterday

 

[Wincobank S9 Blade]

Sunderland should rightly enjoy their moment because next season will be abject misery for them. We might have been in a slightly better position but not much and certainly weaker than our 2019 squad that did so well before the unthinkable happened.

Next season’s Championship looks weaker with Leicester also facing a points deduction. Another Championship season on the backs of Seriki, Peck, Brooks and Blaster will give them a better chance of stepping up next time round.

In terms of comings and goings: Hamer will be gone, Brewster is off to the SPL (both said their goodbyes to those fans that remained yesterday). Anel will probably stay unless a stupid offer comes in. Likewise Souza, who still has two years left. Robbo has triggered his extra year and we have an option to keep Choudury, which we will surely take. I can’t see any of the other loanees returning though I would take Rak Sakyi back if the terms were right.

With JJ Kenny and Jimmy Dunne joining, by my reckoning, that leaves us needing another LCB, two or three wide players, a 10 and another striker. So, 5 or 6 players, which is not a major rebuild.

Replacing Hamer’s goal contributions and general artistry is obviously the big one and will probably need to be via the loan market. We also need more goals from central midfield (none this season) and central defence ( Dunne notched 5 in the league this season for QPR).

On finances, we received £49m in parachute money for 2024/25 and will get around £40m next season. Hamer should bring in £25m+ and we’ll lose our highest earner in Brewster. So, financially it’s not disastrous, especially when viewed in the context of how much we would have needed to spend to win 35 points (the survival number for the past three seasons) next season. We will certainly learn plenty about our new owners, which is needed because they show little interest in articulating their plans for OUR club.

Yesterday still hurts and you could feel the anxiety amongst supporters before and during the game. However, this is not disastrous in the bigger scheme of things. We’ve had a good, and sometimes great, run of things for the best part of a decade now. Not something to ever take for granted as a Blades fan. We still have a good, young squad and a manager who knows what it takes to win promotion from the Championship. We also have new owners who will only make money by getting us there.

The future’s bright - let’s go again!

The bit where you say the owners show little interest, I don’t get that bit tbh, is this something you’ve heard or? Cus to me they seem fine.

This will test their metal no doubt this upcoming season but I don’t mind them keeping things in house we’re not Hallam we don’t need to publicise everything, as long as they do the business that’s all that matters right.

 

[coaxingstar71]

Really good OP. Once I’ve recovered from the disappointment of yet another defeat at Wembley I’ll be glad we weren’t promoted as I genuinely think it could have ruined the progression of some of our players. Really looking forward to seeing Arblaster and Peck in midfield along with Seriki and Brooks.
I think Wilder needs to rethink his preferred approach as we’ve looked better in a 4-4-2 and created more than with one up. His big signing, Cannon, can’t play up on his own anyway.

 

[loyalblade95]

Should have been on the phone to the agents of Poku, Dolan, Darling, Dunne, JJK the minute the whistle blew yesterday

I'd imagine that will happen quite soon (on any of them that we want to sign), pretty sure in O'Hare's interview after signing for us he mentioned that we'd approached him quite a few weeks before he signed for us (before the links came out).

 

[bottyblade]

Sunderland should rightly enjoy their moment because next season will be abject misery for them. We might have been in a slightly better position but not much and certainly weaker than our 2019 squad that did so well before the unthinkable happened.

Next season’s Championship looks weaker with Leicester also facing a points deduction. Another Championship season on the backs of Seriki, Peck, Brooks and Blaster will give them a better chance of stepping up next time round.

In terms of comings and goings: Hamer will be gone, Brewster is off to the SPL (both said their goodbyes to those fans that remained yesterday). Anel will probably stay unless a stupid offer comes in. Likewise Souza, who still has two years left. Robbo has triggered his extra year and we have an option to keep Choudury, which we will surely take. I can’t see any of the other loanees returning though I would take Rak Sakyi back if the terms were right.

With JJ Kenny and Jimmy Dunne joining, by my reckoning, that leaves us needing another LCB, two or three wide players, a 10 and another striker. So, 5 or 6 players, which is not a major rebuild.

Replacing Hamer’s goal contributions and general artistry is obviously the big one and will probably need to be via the loan market. We also need more goals from central midfield (none this season) and central defence ( Dunne notched 5 in the league this season for QPR).

On finances, we received £49m in parachute money for 2024/25 and will get around £40m next season. Hamer should bring in £25m+ and we’ll lose our highest earner in Brewster. So, financially it’s not disastrous, especially when viewed in the context of how much we would have needed to spend to win 35 points (the survival number for the past three seasons) next season. We will certainly learn plenty about our new owners, which is needed because they show little interest in articulating their plans for OUR club.

Yesterday still hurts and you could feel the anxiety amongst supporters before and during the game. However, this is not disastrous in the bigger scheme of things. We’ve had a good, and sometimes great, run of things for the best part of a decade now. Not something to ever take for granted as a Blades fan. We still have a good, young squad and a manager who knows what it takes to win promotion from the Championship. We also have new owners who will only make money by getting us there.

The future’s bright - let’s go again!

The voice of reason from The Bohemian !!!! - best post so far. We MUST move on and we MUST keep faith in Chris Wilder - he is the best manager our club will ever have. UTB !!!

 

[Sherwoodblade]

Pains me to say it but we need to use Leeds as the model. Lost last season’s play off final, sold their best player, invested wisely and romped to the title.

It can work. W

 

[Selly]

Our biggest threat next season is closer to home, mindset.

Irrespective of whos manager, my first signing would be a top sports psychologist

For a moment there I thought you were going to suggest that SWFC (1990) were our biggest threat.

Oh god, we have to play them lot twice next year as well. FFS.

 

[Sherwoodblade]

They have an attack minded manager. Look at the goals they scored this season. We could have Messi in his prime and it wouldn't make a difference with the managerial tactics employed.

 

[Sizablade]

Our biggest threat next season is closer to home, mindset.

Irrespective of whos manager, my first signing would be a top sports psychologist


How/can wilder bounce back, he will think he can, but he has been exposed tactically at times, our squad is top 2, is our manager?

No way next season 2 teams hit 100 points, fuckin freak of a year

Southampton are wank
Leicester are top 6
If Ipswich lose McKenna and Delap mid table

Ipswich have a proven Championship defence and keeper proven Championship wingers and a big budget. They will lose Delap but have big funds to replace him. They romp the league next season unfortunately

 

[SuperSonicBlade89]

I think the Championship is going to be harder if anything next season and more competitive with the teams that have come down from the PL, then teams that finished this season strong in the Championship, Coventry etc. Then the likes of Birmingham and Wrexham are big questions marks let's be honest.

I really hope this isn't the beginning of history repeating it self again after 2009...

 

[The Fox]

Just on next seasons finances, does anyone know how much the play off final is worth to the losers i.e. Us

It is apparently the custom that the losers keep all Wembley game receipts as compensation. Probably around 4m

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Unless Anel signs a new deal, i think he'll be going.

Hamer and Vini both have 2 years left and we could risk keeping at least one for another year surely.

It's not a case of do we want to risk keeping them, it's do they want to stay and the answer will most likely be no.

 

[AdamSufc1997]

Big difference between farke and wilder and it’s not even close. We aren’t getting top 2 next season.

 

[Swinton Blade]

It's not a case of do we want to risk keeping them, it's do they want to stay and the answer will most likely be no.

They probably don't want to stay and I think all 3 will go personally.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

They probably don't want to stay and I think all 3 will go personally.

Ditto. I can see us keeping Cooper. Losing Anel, Hamer and Souza will bankroll our summer and give us enough for permanent replacements, as well as keeping us safe from FFP.

I have no problem with players leaving if we make good profits on them. I have no doubt that we'll get more than the £4mil we paid for Anel, more than the £15mil we paid for Hamer, but I don't think we'll get more than we paid for Souza.

 

[bornablade]

Just on next seasons finances, does anyone know how much the play off final is worth to the losers i.e. Us

Just enough to pay all our fines

 

[The Fox]

Doesn't feel like it today but Yesterday could be a blessing in disguise .
The owners have a chance to change the direction of the club , perhaps that's with or without wider and his coaching staff, who knows.
Think any promoted club to give themselves a chance have to have a style ( Burnley) or a swagger ( Leeds) even then staying up is a tough ask .
We have neither despite the points total so it's not totally back to the drawing board , we have some very good players either in terms of value or contribution so a good foundation to build and move forward .
As supporters we will probably enjoy next season alot more too .
When the dust has settled, it'll be an interesting summer ahead .
Win lose or draw eh .. UTB

 

[CountryBlade]

Ditto. I can see us keeping Cooper. Losing Anel, Hamer and Souza will bankroll our summer and give us enough for permanent replacements, as well as keeping us safe from FFP.

I have no problem with players leaving if we make good profits on them. I have no doubt that we'll get more than the £4mil we paid for Anel, more than the £15mil we paid for Hamer, but I don't think we'll get more than we paid for Souza.

Hamer can go for me. Fantastic talent but we seem to have no idea how to play when he’s not on the pitch and we can’t afford to replace/upgrade the rest to his level.
Would want to keep Campbell Souza and Cooper. Not fussed about the rest

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Hamer can go for me. Fantastic talent but we seem to have no idea how to play when he’s not on the pitch and we can’t afford to replace/upgrade the rest to his level.
Would want to keep Campbell Souza and Cooper. Not fussed about the rest

I like Campbell but the fact he can't last 60 minutes after a whole season is a worry. To get promotion you need a reliable goal scorer and you can't rely on a player who can't last the entire match.

 

[Tezza1889]

Our biggest threat next season is closer to home, mindset.

Irrespective of whos manager, my first signing would be a top sports psychologist


How/can wilder bounce back, he will think he can, but he has been exposed tactically at times, our squad is top 2, is our manager?

No way next season 2 teams hit 100 points, fuckin freak of a year

Southampton are wank
Leicester are top 6
If Ipswich lose McKenna and Delap mid table

Do not ignore Wrexham and Birmingham..

Yeah, I said it..

 

[Selly]

Do not ignore Wrexham and Birmingham..

Yeah, I said it..

Birmingham I agree with.

Can't see Wrexham being anything more than lower mod table - unless they start splashing cash the owners don't have.

 

[PaddysMad]

Slept on it woke up with a massive erection now going to watch some Gary Eats.

 

[The Bohemian]

The bit where you say the owners show little interest, I don’t get that bit tbh, is this something you’ve heard or? Cus to me they seem fine.

This will test their metal no doubt this upcoming season but I don’t mind them keeping things in house we’re not Hallam we don’t need to publicise everything, as long as they do the business that’s all that matters right.

“Little interest” in communicating with supporters. I accept some fans are ok with that, I’m not. I believe clubs/companies/organisations that engage with their supporters/customers are likely to be stronger as a result. Also, as supporters, we have a right to know.

 

[VictoryBlade]

Sunderland should rightly enjoy their moment because next season will be abject misery for them. We might have been in a slightly better position but not much and certainly weaker than our 2019 squad that did so well before the unthinkable happened.

Next season’s Championship looks weaker with Leicester also facing a points deduction. Another Championship season on the backs of Seriki, Peck, Brooks and Blaster will give them a better chance of stepping up next time round.

In terms of comings and goings: Hamer will be gone, Brewster is off to the SPL (both said their goodbyes to those fans that remained yesterday). Anel will probably stay unless a stupid offer comes in. Likewise Souza, who still has two years left. Robbo has triggered his extra year and we have an option to keep Choudury, which we will surely take. I can’t see any of the other loanees returning though I would take Rak Sakyi back if the terms were right.

With JJ Kenny and Jimmy Dunne joining, by my reckoning, that leaves us needing another LCB, two or three wide players, a 10 and another striker. So, 5 or 6 players, which is not a major rebuild.

Replacing Hamer’s goal contributions and general artistry is obviously the big one and will probably need to be via the loan market. We also need more goals from central midfield (none this season) and central defence ( Dunne notched 5 in the league this season for QPR).

On finances, we received £49m in parachute money for 2024/25 and will get around £40m next season. Hamer should bring in £25m+ and we’ll lose our highest earner in Brewster. So, financially it’s not disastrous, especially when viewed in the context of how much we would have needed to spend to win 35 points (the survival number for the past three seasons) next season. We will certainly learn plenty about our new owners, which is needed because they show little interest in articulating their plans for OUR club.

Yesterday still hurts and you could feel the anxiety amongst supporters before and during the game. However, this is not disastrous in the bigger scheme of things. We’ve had a good, and sometimes great, run of things for the best part of a decade now. Not something to ever take for granted as a Blades fan. We still have a good, young squad and a manager who knows what it takes to win promotion from the Championship. We also have new owners who will only make money by getting us there.

The future’s bright - let’s go again!

Like it!

 

[Karaoke Blade]

For a moment there I thought you were going to suggest that SWFC (1990) were our biggest threat.

Oh god, we have to play them lot twice next year as well. FFS.

Well that's a 6 point start for us.

 

[Bladesman]

The loser receives £2 million.

Is that enough to pay Wilder off?

 

[CountryBlade]

I like Campbell but the fact he can't last 60 minutes after a whole season is a worry. To get promotion you need a reliable goal scorer and you can't rely on a player who can't last the entire match.

True, I don’t think Cannon is the answer either, or Brewster.

 

[The Bohemian]

I like Campbell but the fact he can't last 60 minutes after a whole season is a worry. To get promotion you need a reliable goal scorer and you can't rely on a player who can't last the entire match.

I get your point but his 60 minutes thing isn’t about stamina conditioning, it’s because of his vulnerability to muscle injuries - especially hamstrings. He has the physique, and probably the physiology, of a 100 metre sprinter. You can’t be that quick and also have the stamina of Souza or Peck.

The physios and sports science team have done a great job managing his fitness since he missed seven games in November/December. He also has the best goals per minutes played ratio in the Championship.

 

[VictoryBlade]

Really good OP. Once I’ve recovered from the disappointment of yet another defeat at Wembley I’ll be glad we weren’t promoted as I genuinely think it could have ruined the progression of some of our players. Really looking forward to seeing Arblaster and Peck in midfield along with Seriki and Brooks.
I think Wilder needs to rethink his preferred approach as we’ve looked better in a 4-4-2 and created more than with one up. His big signing, Cannon, can’t play up on his own anyway.

Tin Can (non) cant play at all!