Morons Chucking Flares and Smoke Bombs

[Punk Blade]

Keep trying, you'll get there in the end. I'll give you a clue: It was about morons.

I'm lost then. Who was/were the first 'moron/s' you were comparing to?

 

[snootyfenooty]

I'm lost then. Who was/were the first 'moron/s' you were comparing to?

Doh!

 

[shorehamview]

Kids, or my lack of them are the reason I'm not allowed to go on the John Street stand. The club thinks it's ok to discriminate against people who don't have children.

Which I find far more offensive than the use of pyrotechnic devices.

Try this experiment. Shove a six year old child down the back of your jacket. Just borrow one if you have to - remember to return the child, not simply discard it, and thank the child's parent of the loan of said child. Tell the child to stop crying. Then shove a lit flare down the back of your jacket. Come back to me when you've completed the experiment without getting arrested for child kidnapping, and tell me which hurt you most, the child or the flare. Just a thought.

 

[Punk Blade]

Doh!

Ah, ok, Homer Simpson's a moron, but the bloke who sneezed on you isn't. Thanks, I get it now!

 

[shorehamview]

You do get the impression these days that there's a fair few Blades who'd rather have the Lane transformed into the full on MK Dons-type "family experience", rather than being a proper old school football ground with proper old school fans in it.

I've been going to the Lane for40 years. It's only recently that flares and smoke have been "needed" to create an atmosphere. What happened to proper old school not being a fucking idiot?

 

[Bartleby]

I guess me and you are in complete disagreement then: I would be categorically against any more searches on the door.

I didn't say that was what I wanted, just what I think may happen based on what I read.

I think using the CCTV footage to get them is better. As someone posted on here recently, it is actually a criminal offence to take them into a football ground and can be a custodial sentence.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Ah, ok, Homer Simpson's a moron, but the bloke who sneezed on you isn't. Thanks, I get it now!

No you're still not there. The crowd who disrupted the bus timetable are morons. The same crowd who may have caused a 20 second disruption to an ambulance are morons. The guy who sneezed is a moron. I take it sarcasm isn't your strongest point. And by the way, I didn't catch a cold. It was flu. Proper man flu.

 

[Bartleby]

I've been going to the Lane for40 years. It's only recently that flares and smoke have been "needed" to create an atmosphere. What happened to proper old school not being a fucking idiot?

agree with the sentiment but to play devil's advocate there were a lot of worse fucking idiots at games 40 years ago.

 

[Ginger Gnome]

Funny how people complain about families, but seem to want their own children's play area for fuckwits who can't support the team without having their toys with them and throw a tantrum when people want those breaking the law to be punished.

 

[AbacaBlade]

I'm all for pyro displays that don't cause distress to other people, but seeing a lone Pyromaniac at a ground just makes me think this

 

[Blade56]

The mitigating circumstances at Valley Parade don't exist anymore. No wooden stands, no bitumen roofs and no accumulation of rubbish under the seating areas.

No wood or tar Just thousands of people. Do we remember the old chap walking across the pitch in flame from head to foot? Clothes arnt always fireproof particularly fancy dress as it is classed as a toy not clothing.

Still a no from me. Life ban if caught

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

Stewards are too busy making cursory searches of womens handbags and grannies with small rucksacks containing a flask and sandwiches to bother with flares.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

I don't disagree. My point is that whilst throwing a flare or smoke cannister is an act of stupidity and shouldn't go unpunished, the throwing of a brick or a bottle is an act of malice and done with the intention of causing even more severe injury.
A flare will hurt me but a well aimed brick will kill me outright.

It's a matter of degree. I just think that the argument against pyrotechnics is taking precedence over a far more serious problem which isn't being addressed.

Sadly two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Stewards are too busy making cursory searches of womens handbags and grannies with small rucksacks containing a flask and sandwiches to bother with flares.

They're called soft targets my friend. Same reason the litter wardens pick on women and kids rather than gobby chavs and the err, travelling community.

 

[shorehamview]

agree with the sentiment but to play devil's advocate there were a lot of worse fucking idiots at games 40 years ago.

You'd only get the shit kicked out of you, not end up looking like Nikki Lauda and breathing heavier than Gary Glitter in Toys R Us.

 

[Lower Drop Blade]

Keep out of the red and in the black nothing in this game for two in a bed

 

[Maidenhead]

I didn't say that was what I wanted, just what I think may happen based on what I read.

I think using the CCTV footage to get them is better. As someone posted on here recently, it is actually a criminal offence to take them into a football ground and can be a custodial sentence.

And the sooner someone gets a six month sentence for it the better.

May just disuade one or two others from doing the same.

 

[wizadry]

If somebody chucks something and it hits me or my son I wouldn't be an happy chappy. The people using these couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery and anybody defending these idiots chucking them is either one of them or knows one of them. They're undefendable.

 

[knowsnowt]

Stupid people.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Yesterday the club was responsible for the safety of 31,003 people. If something went wrong they would be subject to intense scrutiny and possibly liable for huge damages. When all is going well, safety is a boring topic. Smoking in a wooden stand? Boring! Then Bradford happened. Fences penning in out-of-control football fans dangerous? Boring! Then Hillsbotough happened. Taking flares and smoke bombs into football crowds is dangerous? Boring! Will those of you defending the practice say it was a price worth paying when a serious injury happens? Have your fun with fireworks elsewhere.

 

[Jermyn]

One of the two smoke bombs that were thrown hit a young lad on the row behind me and the chief steward for that area came up to collect it. When the understanably irate Dad told him to get stewards up there he said " We have them on camera we know exactly who are they are", so presumably 3 people will be getting themselves banning orders and missing out on seeing us for the next couple of seasons at least

You were near me then. It was stamped on and put out under seat next to me, irate people shouting at the stewards at the front who were just Lpoking up and pointing

 

[nicksufc]

I was shocked to see someone lob a smoke bomb down the kop stand.
It's bad enough setting one of but to actually throw one at our fans is just vile.
Others will tell you that's how we the fans create atmosphere and fun...

Please point out a post where anyone has said you that flares need to be thrown at other fans to create an atmosphere. Thanks in advance

 

[nicksufc]

Yesterday the club was responsible for the safety of 31,003 people. If something went wrong they would be subject to intense scrutiny and possibly liable for huge damages. When all is going well, safety is a boring topic. Smoking in a wooden stand? Boring! Then Bradford happened. Fences penning in out-of-control football fans dangerous? Boring! Then Hillsbotough happened. Taking flares and smoke bombs into football crowds is dangerous? Boring! Will those of you defending the practice say it was a price worth paying when a serious injury happens? Have your fun with fireworks elsewhere.

So you're trying to say that one day a flare is going to kill 90+ people in one match and then we won't be trying to defend it? Because that is essentially what you're saying, isn't it? comparing somebody setting off a flare to people getting crushed to death?

 

[nicksufc]

I think if you're furious about people setting off a smoke bomb at a football game then you probably need to grow up - I don't doubt that most of those complaining about it are now old gits who did much much worse things when they were young. But obviously people shouldn't be throwing them at other fans; that's stupid, ignorant and dangerous.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

So you're trying to say that one day a flare is going to kill 90+ people in one match and then we won't be trying to defend it? Because that is essentially what you're saying, isn't it? comparing somebody setting off a flare to people getting crushed to death?

If you read what I said, it was 'when a serious injury happens'. I am not anticipating mass deaths, but it is not easy to be certain of crowd responses - panic is a common and dangerous reaction to danger. I was not at the MK Dons match, but judging by the picture in the concourse, the mix of a flare, a crowd in a confined space, flags, fancy dress, etc., it did not look safe. But I was not there, so I put it no more strongly than that. In response to another of your posts, I would add that my 'weapon' of choice in my youth is pictured in my avatar. It probably got too close for comfort to the heads of one or two old gits, but because of standing, there was greater grouping together of like-minded people. There is a case to be made for something similar now.

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

Please point out a post where anyone has said you that flares need to be thrown at other fans to create an atmosphere. Thanks in advance

I'm just generalising that fans promote flares and smoke bombs, I never said fans promote throwing flares/ smoke bombs, Don't ever twist my words!

 

[Muttley]

Unfortunately someone will have to be seriously hurt before these "I do what I want" **** get the message.

 

[Igor]

Look, this isn't really hard to grasp. It's pretty simple, chucking a flare or a smoke bomb is just crazy and life endangering. Holding one....stupid but atmospheric.

 

[shorehamview]

Look, this isn't really hard to grasp. It's pretty simple, chucking a flare or a smoke bomb is just crazy and life endangering. Holding one....stupid but atmospheric.

Holding one....stupid and, currently, illegal in a football ground. When they are legal in British football grounds then perhaps opinions may change.

 

[Punk Blade]

No you're still not there. The crowd who disrupted the bus timetable are morons. The same crowd who may have caused a 20 second disruption to an ambulance are morons. The guy who sneezed is a moron. I take it sarcasm isn't your strongest point. And by the way, I didn't catch a cold. It was flu. Proper man flu.

Thanks for clearing that up.