Morons Chucking Flares and Smoke Bombs

[Sean Thornton]

Kids, or my lack of them are the reason I'm not allowed to go on the John Street stand. The clubs thinks it's ok to discriminate against people who don't have children.

Which I find far more offensive than the use of pyrotechnic devices.

It's down to the names on the list the Police sent them........

 

[Latters]

Are we allowed to throw the children? I'm torn...

As long as it doesn't hit an old person, an asthmatic or another child I think you're fine. You get bonus points if you hit one of the "morons".

 

[Sean Thornton]

And then if you were to just find and take another's child, so that you could get into John Street, you'd be the pariah. The world's gone mad.

Wouldn't have been an issue in the good old days!

 

[northsomersetblade]

I can see that the imagery is good but they are just not safe in stadiums or around crowds of people. I do normally like to think that laws exist purely to be broken but these are dangerous and I can't believe plod and the rest of the authoritas have not been watching and will do something about it. The usual first step is a punitive example being made in court of someone, followed by increased large fines and threats of further heavy punishment for the next miscreants. Otherwise someone will get severely burned, have a heart attack, or whatever, so it will have to be done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pyrotechnic_incidents

 

[More Bladier than thou]

Better buy 1 of them hoolie Aquascutum coats with the mask.

 

[blackydog]

We sit on A block of family stand, right next to Kop where it was thrown. Medics had to see to at least 2 others around us

Oh is that what it was for. We were sat about 10 rows further forward.

 

[TJB.]

Oooooh look, common sense! Shinyyyyyy

(cup holders too!)

 

[Damski]

Interesting mix of troll posts and geniune opinion in this, The Monthly S24SU Congress On Pyrotechnics At Football Games. All the points and counterpoints on this have already been argued to death, and if you can't see why it's a problem after all that's been said, then give me a ticket to have a day sitting in your head, I'd like to not give a shit about other people for a while, it must be a relaxing way to live your life.

Someone threw a smoke bomb down into their own fans on the Kop yesterday. Are all you hand-wavers gonna sit there and tell me you wouldn't be fucking livid if it landed next to you?

 

[Chali 2na]

Didn't get chance to read it fully but I briefly saw summat up on the big screen yesterday saying security procedures are changing, so possibly could be more searching of people on the way in next season?

I guess me and you are in complete disagreement then: I would be categorically against any more searches on the door.

Simple. Send the sniffer dogs in.

1. Sniffer dogs are very ineffective.
2. Sniffer dogs are costly to keep and train

Would you be providing the sniffer dogs yourself or does that expense go to the club?

 

[Tyler Durden]

Oooooh look, common sense! Shinyyyyyy

(cup holders too!)

Exactly how it should be. Treating fans as criminals only leads to criminal behaviour.

 

[TJB.]

I've no issue with pyro/smoke usually when it's used safely, but I did question the 'pyro from Matalan' number yesterday. Whoever bought that spent fuck all on it, and you could tell. Stank summet rotten.

 

[snootyfenooty]

I guess me and you are in complete disagreement then: I would be categorically against any more searches on the door.

1. Sniffer dogs are very ineffective.
2. Sniffer dogs are costly to keep and train

Would you be providing the sniffer dogs yourself or does that expense go to the club?

Erm, it was mean't in a light-hearted manner, "weed", "sniffer dogs". Geddit?

 

[Tyler Durden]

Interesting mix of troll posts and geniune opinion in this, The Monthly S24SU Congress On Pyrotechnics At Football Games. All the points and counterpoints on this have already been argued to death, and if you can't see why it's a problem after all that's been said, then give me a ticket to have a day sitting in your head, I'd like to not give a shit about other people for a while, it must be a relaxing way to live your life.

Someone threw a smoke bomb down into their own fans on the Kop yesterday. Are all you hand-wavers gonna sit there and tell me you wouldn't be fucking livid if it landed next to you?

I almost got hit by one at Port Vale, it didn't bother me nearly as much as the brick which nearly hit me outside.

Bottles were thrown yesterday, passers by could've been really hurt. This is the idiocy we should be focusing on in my opinion.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Exactly how it should be. Treating fans as criminals only leads to criminal behaviour.

Unfortunately, ignoring criminal behaviour tends to lead to more criminal behaviour.

 

[Damski]

I almost got hit by one at Port Vale, it didn't bother me nearly as much as the brick which nearly hit me outside.

Bottles were thrown yesterday, passers by could've been really hurt. This is the idiocy we should be focusing on in my opinion.

But you've seen on this thread and loads of other threads how it's a problem. It's good for you that you don't have medical issues and would be OK breathing in the smoke, but some people don't have that luxury do they? You almost got hit by something - That's why you don't mind. If you had got hit by a flare, would you still not mind if you'd have been burned by it?

I love flares. They're bloody brilliant. I'm a young(ish) bloke who can handle the smoke and the danger. But some people don't have that luxury. Let them go to games without needing assistance. And we'll talk about some scrubbers from Burslem chucking bricks in another thread.

 

[Punk Blade]

Especially if an ambulance had to make a 20 second detour to get to A&E, Deary me, imagine the outrage that would cause. We would all then be classed as murderous morons.

On a related note, At the Bradford game I was sitting directly in front of someone who spent the whole game coughing and sneezing all over me (and others). And yeah, guess what, I spent the the following week feeling like shit coughing my insides up. I'm asthmatic too by the way. Does that make the guy who went to the match knowing he was going to pass on his infection to all and sundry a moron too? Did I mind? Did I fuck, I don't go out wrapped in cotton wool.

By the way, that picture of the Bradford fire is in the worst possible taste and doesn't advance anyone's argument.

Is it fair to summarise your argument as "people have colds, so smoke bombs are ok"?

 

[YES Blade]

Instead of people 'blaming' fans for going on the kop, or anywhere else for that matter, is just a reflection of the lack of respect for their fellow fans. Fans should be able to take kids without worrying about such things. There are lots of children suffer from athma these days and elderly fans too. As to YES Blade saying the majority of fans can use pyros correctly I think that is nonsense. The majority of fans would never consider taking such a thing to a football match and probably not even know where to get one from. Somewhat strangely compared to a number of fans on here I actually enjoy going to grounds to watch the football.

My point is that if flares we allowed in stadiums, the majority would be able to hold them correctly and not throw them.

As they are currently banned, the vast majority don't take them or even consider taking them to a stadium.

Because of the minority being dickheads who can't behave themselves, like alcohol, flares should continue to be banned.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Is it fair to summarise your argument as "people have colds, so smoke bombs are ok"?

No. That's called putting words into people's mouths. Read the whole post and my continuation of Alfreton14Blade post. Where are the smoke bombs mentioned?

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Apologies to those who are bored, but this needs repeating at the moment. And I am only speaking here about flares and smoke bombs, so don't confuse the issue with alcohol, singing, swearing, etc. At the moment, when just about everything in the club is going so well, pyros are one issue which need sorting while the problem is small. They simply do not belong in a confined space in the middle of a crowd of people. Whether they injure a cute 6 year old child or an opposition thug makes no difference - in the middle of a crowd it is stupid and dangerous, and whilst I am quite happy to take my chances, for people with young kids, it is a different matter. Have you not read the many posts about the way getting young kids to the Lane in the last 10 years has built up our fan-base for the future? Why endanger that? I love fire and fireworks, and understand why others do. But if you want the direct thrill, go into the pyro business. Lots of companies employ people to put on displays. Some lucky blokes got on the pitch yesterday and produced huge flames - the perfect job. Go deep sea fishing - you would want the authorities to see your flare then if you had a problem. Become a firefighter. Just don't bring the wretched things into the middle of a crowd.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

You do get the impression these days that there's a fair few Blades who'd rather have the Lane transformed into the full on MK Dons-type "family experience", rather than being a proper old school football ground with proper old school fans in it.

 

[Tyler Durden]

But you've seen on this thread and loads of other threads how it's a problem. It's good for you that you don't have medical issues and would be OK breathing in the smoke, but some people don't have that luxury do they? You almost got hit by something - That's why you don't mind. If you had got hit by a flare, would you still not mind if you'd have been burned by it?

I love flares. They're bloody brilliant. I'm a young(ish) bloke who can handle the smoke and the danger. But some people don't have that luxury. Let them go to games without needing assistance. And we'll talk about some scrubbers from Burslem chucking bricks in another thread.

I don't disagree. My point is that whilst throwing a flare or smoke cannister is an act of stupidity and shouldn't go unpunished, the throwing of a brick or a bottle is an act of malice and done with the intention of causing even more severe injury.
A flare will hurt me but a well aimed brick will kill me outright.

It's a matter of degree. I just think that the argument against pyrotechnics is taking precedence over a far more serious problem which isn't being addressed.

 

[YES Blade]

You do get the impression these days that there's a fair few Blades who'd rather have the Lane transformed into the full on MK Dons-type "family experience", rather than being a proper old school football ground with proper old school fans in it.

To be fair, what is old school about flares and smoke bombs? That's a new thing surely?

To me it's just a pathetic attempt to copy the Europeans and only comes across as being plastic ultras.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

To be fair, what is old school about flares and smoke bombs? That's a new thing surely?

To me it's just a pathetic attempt to copy the Europeans and only comes across as being plastic ultras.

I think your comments there show exactly why this isn't just a health & safety issue about protecting small children and asthmatics.

There's a wider issue about atmosphere/liveliness/active support vs. passive "family experience".

Btw, I'm certainly not saying there's not a place for families, or quieter supporters, or the frail, or the elderly. The point I'm making is that mutual respect isn't just a one way street.

 

[Damski]

I don't disagree. My point is that whilst throwing a flare or smoke cannister is an act of stupidity and shouldn't go unpunished, the throwing of a brick or a bottle is an act of malice and done with the intention of causing even more severe injury.
A flare will hurt me but a well aimed brick will kill me outright.

It's a matter of degree. I just think that the argument against pyrotechnics is taking precedence over a far more serious problem which isn't being addressed.

We can address both! Just happens that this thread is specifically about smoke bombs/pyro in't it. Let's talk about the Port Vale dickheads chucking bricks in the Port Vale Dickheads Chucking Bricks thread.

 

[northsomersetblade]

I don't disagree. My point is that whilst throwing a flare or smoke cannister is an act of stupidity and shouldn't go unpunished, the throwing of a brick or a bottle is an act of malice and done with the intention of causing even more severe injury.

A flare will hurt me but a well aimed brick will kill me outright.

Ask the club to put you in touch with Jack O'Connell and see if he can help you out there

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I can see this ending in tears

Not the tears again, had enough of 'em yesterday.

 

[Chali 2na]

Erm, it was mean't in a light-hearted manner, "weed", "sniffer dogs". Geddit?

Wooosh: straight over my head haha

 

[Bladesway]

Exactly how it should be. Treating fans as criminals only leads to criminal behaviour.

But throwing fireworks or smoke canisters around in the street is criminal behaviour. I do agree that potentially you have a workable solution in a "Pyro" zone but anyone who thinks chucking something around that burns at several hundred degrees is ok and as such is safe really does have something wrong with them.

 

[Punk Blade]

No. That's called putting words into people's mouths. Read the whole post and my continuation of Alfreton14Blade post. Where are the smoke bombs mentioned?

My apologies, I must have misunderstood. Your comparison was between a huge crowd blocking a road and a bloke giving you a cold, is that right?

 

[snootyfenooty]

My apologies, I must have misunderstood. Your comparison was between a huge crowd blocking a road and a bloke giving you a cold, is that right?

Keep trying, you'll get there in the end. I'll give you a clue: It was about morons.