Morgan staying according to JP

[bladeinspaceandtime]

In any other walk of life, if you are given the job of managing a group of people you usually don't get to get rid of said group and replace them with people of your choosing. Is it that incredible to assume that Morgan (as an employee of SUFC) can't report to a new boss and is somehow evil incarnate?

 

[HoodedClaw]

In any other walk of life, if you are given the job of managing a group of people you usually don't get to get rid of said group and replace them with people of your choosing. Is it that incredible to assume that Morgan (as an employee of SUFC) can't report to a new boss and is somehow evil incarnate?

But... but... but, he's bladey bladey blade bladey. Now where'd my dummy go.

 

[Pinchy]

In any other walk of life, if you are given the job of managing a group of people you usually don't get to get rid of said group and replace them with people of your choosing. Is it that incredible to assume that Morgan (as an employee of SUFC) can't report to a new boss and is somehow evil incarnate?

He's not evil at all. He's a basic but committed centre-back who got injured and was given a coaching job to save the club money on his playing contract. That imperative no longer applies. The rest of the first-team management staff were relieved of their duties recently, because they failed last season. Morgan was an integral part of that team and should be no different.

You may want to fund his retirement for some bizarre reason of Bladey sentimentality. I disagree.

Upanatem!

 

[Pinchy]

Let's have a bit of respect for a good servant to the club and one of the players on my S24SU teashirt.

He was asked to integrate into the Clough team and in turn Clough went to great lengths to integrate him. Shit happens but Morgan should be respected for the efforts he made over the 20 months or so and indeed before then.

I think he is limited in the off-field leadership skills but he will make a living in football surely.

I respect him. I don't rate him as a coach though. I would prefer to respect him at a distance and not at the expense of my football club. I've been here a great deal longer than Chris Morgan and no-one pays me for a job I am not very good at.

You say he'll make a living in football. Do you not think, if he were up to it, that he would have a lower-league management job by now? Truth is, there isn't a queue, is there?

 

[Pinchy]

Posted this elsewhere.
Just ignore the trolls and hopefully they will go away.


U-21's have been successful under him every year, 3rd this year.

Transition from youth 'play to learn' football, to first team 'learn to win' football. Who better than Morgs to teach that?

Rated by every ex-player who has expressed a view.

Turned United's season around after Weir, bringing Flynn back from the cold etc.

What's the bitching about FFS.

:?

I'd have left it elsewhere, if I were you, Misery. It really isn't worth repeated publication. Bladey nonsense rarely is....

 

[alcoblade]

He was a fundamental part of Nigel Clough's coaching team...there, in the thick of it, on match days, just as you Bladey Blades wanted it. Now, as he's failed every bit as much as Garner and the rest, you want to re-write the page. Hypocrisy.

Not while I'm around....

We really have no idea what we're judging him on though, unlike the manager. I'm sure those at the club do.

And let's me honest Pinch, your blueprint of total football has failed totally, disastrously, completely. It's no longer just opinion, it's enshrined in our history.

Fact is fella, it was the idea that we had to chuck the baby out with the bathwater that got us into this mess. You're still blaming the drip in the bottom of the bath (Bladey Bladeyness) rather that accepting you got it spectacularly wrong.



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[BushBlade]

I respect him. I don't rate him as a coach though. I would prefer to respect him at a distance and not at the expense of my football club. I've been here a great deal longer than Chris Morgan and no-one pays me for a job I am not very good at.

You say he'll make a living in football. Do you not think, if he were up to it, that he would have a lower-league management job by now? Truth is, there isn't a queue, is there?

Are you going to put some meat on the bones of your argument that he isn't a good coach? There's another post on here about how successful he has been as u21s coach, which, as far as I'm aware, is his job. I don't know what his involvement with the first team was but I imagine that, with the number of coaches we had, his role wouldn't be much more than putting the cones out and carrying the big bag of footballs.

I've no idea whether he's a good coach or not so I don't have a strong opinion on whether he should go or stay but it's quite unusual to get rid of an u-21s coach when the manager is sacked.

I don't think the fact he hasn't got a managerial job reflects on his ability as a coach. There are loads of coaches who want to get into management who don't because there's huge competition from our of work managers with experience. It's only the well known players who've played for big clubs and are usually internationals who walk into jobs.

If we were talking about Morgan for the managers's job, I'd be wholeheartedly agreeing with you but I honestly don't understand why you have such a problem with him continuing as u21s coach. Do you watch them regularly and are they playing hoof? If so, fair enough.

 

[Hodgyman]

Because he's not very good at it?

Of course, much though his apologists might wish it were otherwise, he was much more involved with the first team than they now persuade themselves.

Morgan doesn't fool me. He was given a coaching job to save money, not because he showed any great aptitude. If he had, he would at least have been in contention for a lower league managerial post don't you think? No, he hasn't, has he?...Food for thought?

The guy has little to offer mate. You may want to inflate his pension fund at our club's expense...I don't.

Upanatem Morgs....Na, na, na, na....

Dear, oh dear, oh dear.....

You'd better tell him that then, I daren't. That is perhaps why he is still here. nobody else dare either.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I respect him. I don't rate him as a coach though. I would prefer to respect him at a distance and not at the expense of my football club. I've been here a great deal longer than Chris Morgan and no-one pays me for a job I am not very good at.

You say he'll make a living in football. Do you not think, if he were up to it, that he would have a lower-league management job by now? Truth is, there isn't a queue, is there?

I too am delighted he is not in the "inner circle" of the management team. He needs to prove himself away from Bramall Lane which is what I said initially.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

He's not evil at all. He's a basic but committed centre-back who got injured and was given a coaching job to save the club money on his playing contract. That imperative no longer applies. The rest of the first-team management staff were relieved of their duties recently, because they failed last season. Morgan was an integral part of that team and should be no different.

You may want to fund his retirement for some bizarre reason of Bladey sentimentality. I disagree.

Upanatem!

It's got naff all to do with "Bladey sentimentality". The guy is employed to do a job; i'm in no position to judge whether he's doing a good job or not, and neither are you. Presumably his contribution is valued at the club otherwise he would have been binned ages ago.

 

[Pinchy]

You'd better tell him that then, I daren't. That is perhaps why he is still here. nobody else dare either.

I don't want to be Billy Bigboots, mate, but I've said worse to many people infinitely harder than Chris Morgan....

 

[Pinchy]

We really have no idea what we're judging him on though, unlike the manager. I'm sure those at the club do.

And let's me honest Pinch, your blueprint of total football has failed totally, disastrously, completely. It's no longer just opinion, it's enshrined in our history.

Fact is fella, it was the idea that we had to chuck the baby out with the bathwater that got us into this mess. You're still blaming the drip in the bottom of the bath (Bladey Bladeyness) rather that accepting you got it spectacularly wrong.



UTB

I fear you're not going to like Adkins' brand of football, mate, if his RS interview is anything to go by. He stressed his preference for good football (and that has been evident at his previous clubs). I think it unlikely that by "good" he really means Kick and Rush, Hoof and Hope or Kick it Long etc....

 

[Barney]

I fear you're not going to like Adkins' brand of football, mate, if his RS interview is anything to go by. He stressed his preference for good football (and that has been evident at his previous clubs). I think it unlikely that by "good" he really means Kick and Rush, Hoof and Hope or Kick it Long etc....

Are you still going on about hoofy football? We shall not play that way under Adkins, that is pretty much guaranteed, and he has been successful doing that at his previous clubs so i don't see why anybody would have any objection to it.

 

[Pinchy]

Are you going to put some meat on the bones of your argument that he isn't a good coach? There's another post on here about how successful he has been as u21s coach, which, as far as I'm aware, is his job. I don't know what his involvement with the first team was but I imagine that, with the number of coaches we had, his role wouldn't be much more than putting the cones out and carrying the big bag of footballs.

I've no idea whether he's a good coach or not so I don't have a strong opinion on whether he should go or stay but it's quite unusual to get rid of an u-21s coach when the manager is sacked.

I don't think the fact he hasn't got a managerial job reflects on his ability as a coach. There are loads of coaches who want to get into management who don't because there's huge competition from our of work managers with experience. It's only the well known players who've played for big clubs and are usually internationals who walk into jobs.

If we were talking about Morgan for the managers's job, I'd be wholeheartedly agreeing with you but I honestly don't understand why you have such a problem with him continuing as u21s coach. Do you watch them regularly and are they playing hoof? If so, fair enough.

No I don't watch them. Who says they've been successful? By what measure? One of our fellow posters is quite certain that a Senior figure at the Academy had to instruct Morgan to stop playing Hoof with the u-21s. If he wants to confirm that I'm sure he will. I have no independent knowledge. I did see his stints as caretaker manager, though. After the inevitable "upanatem" bubble burst, there being no real substitute for ability, he was out of his depth. We were dreadful after the first two games. He played for a draw at Yeovil and dared to suggest that we had 'done well' in that abject surrender.

If Nigel Adkins wants to keep him, for football reasons (that excludes "Bladey fans like him" "He's a loyal servant" and, worst of all, "the board says I've got to..") then so be it. Personally I think he'll be on his way within 12 months. I hope he gets a job elsewhere, partly because I wish him well and partly because the proof of the pudding....

 

[Pinchy]

Are you still going on about hoofy football? We shall not play that way under Adkins, that is pretty much guaranteed, and he has been successful doing that at his previous clubs so i don't see why anybody would have any objection to it.

No mate, Alco is....he's obsessed with it.

 

[BushBlade]

No I don't watch them. Who says they've been successful? By what measure? One of our fellow posters is quite certain that a Senior figure at the Academy had to instruct Morgan to stop playing Hoof with the u-21s. If he wants to confirm that I'm sure he will. I have no independent knowledge. I did see his stints as caretaker manager, though. After the inevitable "upanatem" bubble burst, there being no real substitute for ability, he was out of his depth. We were dreadful after the first two games. He played for a draw at Yeovil and dared to suggest that we had 'done well' in that abject surrender.

If Nigel Adkins wants to keep him, for football reasons (that excludes "Bladey fans like him" "He's a loyal servant" and, worst of all, "the board says I've got to..") then so be it. Personally I think he'll be on his way within 12 months. I hope he gets a job elsewhere, partly because I wish him well and partly because the proof of the pudding....

Didn't rate him as a manager either, I thought he was poor but so was Weir, and he's rated as a coach. Different jobs.

As I say, I'm not bothered that he wasn't part of the cull but nor would I care if we let him go and nicked Redfern from Leeds to run the u21s.

 

[Bladesman]

Not sure Morgan is needed anymore. I like Chris Morgan but we can't just give him a role at the club for the sake of it.

 

[alcoblade]

I fear you're not going to like Adkins' brand of football, mate, if his RS interview is anything to go by. He stressed his preference for good football (and that has been evident at his previous clubs). I think it unlikely that by "good" he really means Kick and Rush, Hoof and Hope or Kick it Long etc....

I'll be delighted, because he's very pragmatic (I'm told) and hence he's a winner.

I don't need to be proved right or wrong. My preference will be very similar to yours, I just can't stand the losing that you'll accept.

UTB

 

[bladesmanluke]

Because he's not very good at it?

Of course, much though his apologists might wish it were otherwise, he was much more involved with the first team than they now persuade themselves.

Morgan doesn't fool me. He was given a coaching job to save money, not because he showed any great aptitude. If he had, he would at least have been in contention for a lower league managerial post don't you think? No, he hasn't, has he?...Food for thought?

The guy has little to offer mate. You may want to inflate his pension fund at our club's expense...I don't.

Upanatem Morgs....Na, na, na, na....

Dear, oh dear, oh dear.....

I take it you don't pay any attention to our under 21 side then?
"Not very good at it" LOL

 

[Sothall_Blade]

No I don't watch them. Who says they've been successful? By what measure? One of our fellow posters is quite certain that a Senior figure at the Academy had to instruct Morgan to stop playing Hoof with the u-21s. If he wants to confirm that I'm sure he will. I have no independent knowledge. I did see his stints as caretaker manager, though. After the inevitable "upanatem" bubble burst, there being no real substitute for ability, he was out of his depth. We were dreadful after the first two games. He played for a draw at Yeovil and dared to suggest that we had 'done well' in that abject surrender.

If Nigel Adkins wants to keep him, for football reasons (that excludes "Bladey fans like him" "He's a loyal servant" and, worst of all, "the board says I've got to..") then so be it. Personally I think he'll be on his way within 12 months. I hope he gets a job elsewhere, partly because I wish him well and partly because the proof of the pudding....

You've made the same prediction about Morgan being kicked out by the new manager every time we change. Bound to be right eventually.

 

[Caseh]

In all honesty, this thread just stinks a bit of people realising the club have got something right and made a good job of something, so some people have to create something out of nothing to beat the club. In some peoples eyes the club is always to blame for something.

If they had gotten rid of him some of the same people would be up in arms about mistreating a great servant to the club. Just be happy, we've just made a great appointment, relax a little bit!

 

[Pinchy]

I take it you don't pay any attention to our under 21 side then?
"Not very good at it" LOL

Very instructive Lol, thank you.

You've made the same prediction about Morgan being kicked out by the new manager every time we change. Bound to be right eventually.

Yes it is rather worrying, isn't it? I do hope the Directors (perhaps deluded by message boards into thinking we are all flat-capped s2 parochialists) are not imposing old Upanatem on reluctant managers.

Perhaps he's a footballing version of Father Jack Hackett (see it fits!) sitting immovably on the bench and berating all around him with loud, barely coherent declarations of "Hoof" "Fouls" "Headers" and suchlike? Yes, on reflection, that"ll be it.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

The rest of the first-team management staff were relieved of their duties recently

Minor technical point - Morgan was and is u/21 coach (whether he is good enough is debatable, but his record there isn't dire) and he sat in the dug-out on matchdays (originally it was said to support the new management because he knew the players and then because of the u/21 link) and did the odd post match interview but he didn't have a first-team management role officially that I ever heard of.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Just announced by the club that Morgs is getting a testimonial - 26 July vs Newcastle.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Just announced by the club that Morgs is getting a testimonial - 26 July vs Newcastle.

Polite way and diplomatic way of sorting out a testimonial, and then perhaps services no longer required. Not knocking Morgan , but moving forward , we do need a U21 manager that reflects the first team manager , for cohesive development of youth .

UTB

 

[Fiery Blade]

Listening to the interviews from Mr Adkins and his 'backroom' team it appears they have been very 'Hands On' with their youth set up especially at Southampton and that they would be looking very closely at the Academy regarding future prospects !
I believe that it is probably the end of the road for Morgan as both Crosby and Wilkins look much stronger than the Clough support team !
These are the guys that developed Lallana, Shaw et al at Southampton - not too shabby a testimonial !