Monty loyalty

[Pinchy]

Monty has played pushing 300 games for the club and people are questioning his loyalty? i wouldn't blame monty if he decided to move on when there's arseholes slagging him off and questioning his commitment.

Including 20 or so decent performances!

 

[Sensiblade]

Including 20 or so decent performances!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!! :loopy:

 

[Stafford Blade]

Including 20 or so decent performances!

ahhhh pinchy the forum know nowt that sounds like a broken record......

if he's so bad then the last 3 or 4 managers we've had must be a terrible judge of a player as he's been one of the first names on the team sheet under each one.

 

[Pinchy]

ahhhh pinchy the forum know nowt that sounds like a broken record......

Yes, over 1500 Blades games on nearly 90 grounds over 45 years has produced a 'know-nowt' I'm afraid, or is it, perhaps, that I expose uncomfortable truths?

When you've seen as much football, good and [mostly] bad, as I have, you might be a 'know-nowt' too. Until then, please continue to delight in the supernova glow of The Maestro's quite incomparable talent.

 

[Stafford Blade]

ahhhh pinchy the forum know nowt that sounds like a broken record......

Yes, over 1500 Blades games on nearly 90 grounds over 45 years has produced a 'know-nowt' I'm afraid, or is it, perhaps, that I expose uncomfortable truths?

When you've seen as much football, good and [mostly] bad, as I have, you might be a 'know-nowt' too. Until then, please continue to delight in the supernova glow of The Maestro's quite incomparable talent.

you can have seen as many games as you like. still doesn't mean you know what you're on about.

 

[bricktop]

ahhhh pinchy the forum know nowt that sounds like a broken record......

Yes, over 1500 Blades games on nearly 90 grounds over 45 years has produced a 'know-nowt' I'm afraid, or is it, perhaps, that I expose uncomfortable truths?

When you've seen as much football, good and [mostly] bad, as I have, you might be a 'know-nowt' too. Until then, please continue to delight in the supernova glow of The Maestro's quite incomparable talent.

So Pinchy, Your a bigger blade than Stafford Blade then?

 

[davidpinder]

I,ve left this thread a few hours before i came back for a look. I cannot believe how people decide just to disagree for the sake of it just because a certain person they maybe don't like started a post so, automatically have to disagree. On this post in particular, look at the facts, Neither player has signed a new contract FACT. Both players haven't been fully up to scratch all season FACT. Only killa has committed til the end of the season FACT. Maybe both players have decided to move on because they are not blackwell fans NOT FACT but very possible. Killa has improved over the last few months since the Barnsley game i'd say, however monty has gone the other way. He has been at fault for goals thats for sure, maybe he needs a spell out the team like killa got. The bottom line is they are both after as much as they can get, because they are both big time footballers FACT.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

2. Can we have the same stastical comparison for previous seasons please?

I really shouldn't as i've plenty of work to be getting on with but.......

last season (League games only)

With Monty

28 games 49pts 1.75ppg

Without Monty

18 Games 31pts 1.72ppg

Combined

46 games 80pts 1.74ppg

Not much in it to be honest.... On without monty form we'd have ended the season with 1 less point. Whoopee do.

It hardly backs up your argument that we'd be better off without him though does it? I concede that it doesn't prove we're better off with him either....

I can't be bothered to do previous seasons. Someone else can take on the baton.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I,ve left this thread a few hours before i came back for a look. I cannot believe how people decide just to disagree for the sake of it just because a certain person they maybe don't like started a post so, automatically have to disagree. On this post in particular, look at the facts, Neither player has signed a new contract FACT. Both players haven't been fully up to scratch all season FACT. Only killa has committed til the end of the season FACT. Maybe both players have decided to move on because they are not blackwell fans NOT FACT but very possible. Killa has improved over the last few months since the Barnsley game i'd say, however monty has gone the other way. He has been at fault for goals thats for sure, maybe he needs a spell out the team like killa got. The bottom line is they are both after as much as they can get, because they are both big time footballers FACT.

Both players haven't been fully up to scratch all season FACT. OPINION
Only killa has committed til the end of the season FACT. UTTER BOLLOCKS ACTUALLY. MIGHT BE FACT AT THE END OF JANUARY.
The bottom line is they are both after as much as they can get, because they are both big time footballers FACT. AGAIN OPINION.


Read a fucking dictionary and learn how to punctuate.

 

[davidpinder]

Both players haven't been fully up to scratch all season FACT. OPINION
Only killa has committed til the end of the season FACT. UTTER BOLLOCKS ACTUALLY. MIGHT BE FACT AT THE END OF JANUARY.
The bottom line is they are both after as much as they can get, because they are both big time footballers FACT. AGAIN OPINION.


Read a fucking dictionary and learn how to punctuate.

fuck off prick this is a forum, who actually gives a shit if everything isn't correctly punctuated. Virtually everyone spells the odd word wrong or misses the odd full stop.
Your just being a twat FACT.

 

[bricktop]

You have had started that post with a capital letter, FACT!

 

[Highbury_Blade]

fuck off prick this is a forum, who actually gives a shit if everything isn't correctly punctuated. Virtually everyone spells the odd word wrong or misses the odd full stop.
Your just being a twat FACT.

It's my specialty. However i must again correct you. it's not a fact, it's your opinion.

 

[davidpinder]

You have had started that post with a capital letter, FACT!

That doesn't make sense.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Oooh the irony....

 

[davidpinder]

It's my specialty. However i must again correct you. it's not a fact, it's your opinion.

Are you going to pick on brownie for writing "You have had started that post with a capital letter". At least i make sense.
Sorry brownie i don't care how you put it i understood what you said.

 

[Stafford Blade]

So Pinchy, Your a bigger blade than Stafford Blade then?

didn't you know it's all about how many grounds you've been to brownie? i've only been to 40 odd so must be a part timer!!

the bloke hasn't a clue. i could go to the opera 500 times but still wouldn't have the foggiest what was going on!

 

[Stafford Blade]

fuck off prick this is a forum, who actually gives a shit if everything isn't correctly punctuated. Virtually everyone spells the odd word wrong or misses the odd full stop.
Your just being a twat FACT.

people aren't overly bothered about punctuation on here. it is when people talk absolute bollocks that the problems start so i can see why you've copped for it.

 

[theblade1957]

Jesus,another monty thread, when will you idiots learn thats killa has stayed so he can have a couple of things later on in the year, ie,can i havea bigger signing on fee as im not costing you anything, can i have a bigger wage as im not costing you anything,if he was a loyal team player he would have said ok lets do a 12 month contact, that way guys you can still geta fee for me when i leave for pastures new in the summer, on the other hand monty will sign a new contract when its in front of him again showing hes a one club man

 

[davidpinder]

people aren't overly bothered about punctuation on here. it is when people talk absolute bollocks that the problems start so i can see why you've copped for it.

Thank you on the first part. The second, you see it as absolute bollocks thats is fine i'd rather you say that then moan about full stops.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Apologies, i thought i'd made that bit clear.


Just to clarify; you're talking

 

[davidpinder]

And your talking out your

 

[Foxy]

Interesting thread from the OP and I know exactly what you are getting at with the point you are making.

Thought I'd just weigh in with a couple of bullet points whilst people are comparing/giving "facts" out on the two players....

Commitment to the club

• Both players are currently contracted to Sheffield United, with their current deals coming to an end
• Matt Killgallon told Radio Sheffield before christmas that his agent and the club were talking about a new contract and that at his stage of his career he had to look after himself money wise
• Sky Sports News just happened to bump into Killa walking his dog in October (after the comments on Radio Sheffield above) - Killa said that the Blades had put nothing in front of him, that he needs a good deal at his age and that the Premier League game would suit him more as there is more time on the ball and less heading.
• Just before Christmas, Monty said that he hoped to agree a new contract with the Blades in the coming weeks, but was in no hurry to see his future resolved and had no intention of looking for a move.
• Monty said in another interview that he was in talks but was fully focused on playing the important games over the Christmas period. He went on to say that he'd been with the club through thick and thin and loves the Blades. Adding that he is very happy to be a part of what we are doing and he's in no rush to leave it behind.

It's incredibly difficult to measure the two players commitment unless you actually know them very well.

If all we can do is compare the two side by side from media quotes... It appears that one is going out of his way to shoehorn a big deal from the club and attract interest from Premiership clubs. Whilst the other is wanting a new deal and says he loves the club and wants to stay.

On the basis of purely press comments, they look like chalk and cheese.

Now both of the lads are professional footballers, not short of a bob or two, but will always be on the look out to get themselves the best possible deal (with agents forcing this issue even if the players aren't)... So they would both like as much money and favourible terms as possible.

Both players will strive to play at the top level, so again, them and their agents would aspire to be Premier League players.

I'm of the opinion if either of them were offered good terms at an established Premier League club, they wouldn't have ties strong enough as to turn them down.

It'd be nice if everyone pulled a Whitehouse-esque style commitment to the club, but it simply very very rarely happens.

So going purely by what we've seen/been told about matters, my opinion is...

Killa has decided he needs a big contract before he gets any older and is of the opinion that he is Premiership class. His idea of a big contract is far more than the Blades can afford (I've been told the amount + bonuses from a fairly solid source) and attempts at closing the gap between what we can afford and what Killa wants have been fruitless. This means, Killa's agent gets him some airtime on Sky Sports News and in the press in an attempt not only to force the Blades hand, but alert clubs to his availability.

Discussions with Newcastle, have then either not gone as planned for Killa or not gone as required for the Blades, therefore he's stuck and making himself less popular with some fans. One possibility and the perfect solution from an agents point of view is what I refer to as the James Beattie defence , only executed in a poorer way. James Beattie has never wanted to leave a club, making it look like the selling club are either cashing in or forcing him out. Of course, for James or James' agent, they are more than happy to stay at the club providing they are compensated adequately for their services.

So in summary, if there is a better offer he'll be off. If the Blades cave into demands, he'll stay, until his demands increase. All the time,mention he's staying, in order to improve his image with fans/look less of a mercenary but achieve the same effect.

In terms of Monty, I've not yet heard what it is he would require to sign another contract. I think given a better offer, as 99% of footballers, he'd be off. What he's done differently to Killa however, is come out and state that he expects to sign a new contract and loves the club. Saying that he has no intention of looking elsewhere. Now of course, this could be another tactic and adaptation of the James Beattie defence, but it's a lot closer to at least sounding commited to his current club and sounding less like a set of demands.

So yeah, I was attempting to say that footballers have little loyalty and want as much as possible and to play at the top level and that we really have no idea how "loyal" either of them are to the cause deep down. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with players wanting as much money as they can get, or play at the highest level they can.

 

[Foxy]

Double post, I seem to have missed quite a bit whilst typing my mammoth post....

CAN WE PLEASE STOP THE PERSONAL ABUSE AND NAME CALLING, I SHALL BE GOING THROUGH AND DEALING OUT RELEVANT INFRACTIONS

 

[Pinchy]

It's actually 'You're just being a twat FACT' as opposed to 'your just being a twat FACT'

 

[Pinchy]

So Pinchy, Your a bigger blade than Stafford Blade then?

It's 'you're' not 'your'.

I don't know. What do you mean by 'bigger'?

I can certainly communicate better than either of you and I know a good footballer from a bad one.

 

[Sensiblade]

We are not at School

We are saying my dad is bigger than yours

and Monty is worthy of a place in the Blades line up, if we get someone who is more consistent in his position then good on them. But in 10 years we haven't so good on Monty

 

[Stafford Blade]

We are not at School

We are saying my dad is bigger than yours

and Monty is worthy of a place in the Blades line up, if we get someone who is more consistent in his position then good on them. But in 10 years we haven't so good on Monty

exactly sensiblade. 10 years, god knows how many managers and he's still in the starting 11. i bet pinchy is one of these that slags monty off for misplacing a pass but would say another player playing the same ball was unlucky.

 

[Autumn]

Monty is a good bloke, and for reasons that are usually not common to us little folk, he is solid for players morale wise. He's someone that they trust and look upon.

Football and skills is very important, but solid attitudes are also key to a team.

 

[Pinchy]

We are not at School

We are saying my dad is bigger than yours

and Monty is worthy of a place in the Blades line up, if we get someone who is more consistent in his position then good on them. But in 10 years we haven't so good on Monty

Thank goodness we are not. Did yours teach random capital letters and ban full stops?

It's about respect for your reader. Too many contributors show none.

Oh, and Ploddy is, was and always will be, consistently mediocre. Average opponents embarrass him, and our club.

 

[Autumn]

Thank goodness we are not. Did yours teach random capital letters and ban full stops?

It's about respect for your reader. Too many contributors show none.

Oh, and Ploddy is, was and always will be, consistently mediocre. Average opponents embarrass him, and our club.

And that is why people will never understand the basis of a great football team....even Man Utd don't have 11 scoring players