Millwall fans

[The Crab]

......by their testicles with piano wire.

It'll be the first time they made a decent noise.

 

[ChemEngBlade]

For reasons I can't be bothered to explain, I was with the away fans all day on Saturday, firstly they don't help themselves with their chants about killing coppers & apparently Jimmy Saville being one of our own (?!?!). However, they were very complimentary about United after the game. They were saying it was the hardest game away from home they've played all season and they were now more confident about their remaining game against Boro because they saw Boro as a much weaker team than us.

 

[Maidenhead]

So you know she wasn't?

Sorry but I have no sympathy for pathetic individuals like her behaving like a child at nearly 60. From what I saw she deserved to be removed.

There you go again.

I'm over 60 and I sometimes behave like a child.

I don't know why you have a problem with that because I'd bet anything that when you're over 60 you'll do exactly the same, and I've known some grumpy children in my time.

I haven't watched the video so I don't know what she did, I just know that her age is irrelevant.

 

[1980]

My grandad was a Millwall fan before they moved south of the river.

This lot are all franchise cunts.

Millwall have played on the Isle of Dogs, New Cross and Bermondsey. I would classify all of these as 'docklands' London - rather than north or south London. As we have fans from both sides of the river; most Millwall fans can trace their roots to the docks, be that Millwall Dock on the Isle of Dogs or Surrey Commercial Docks in Rotherhithe.

East London teams: West Ham and Leyton Orient.
South London teams: Charlton and Wimbledon.
North London teams: Tottenham Hotspur and Arsenal.
West London teams: Chelsea, Fulham & QPR.
Docklands: Millwall.
Greater London: Crystal Palace, Brentford, Dagenham & Redbridge & Barnet.

 

[Bashar Al Asaba]

Millwall have played on the Isle of Dogs, New Cross and Bermondsey. I would classify all of these as 'docklands' London - rather than north or south London. As we have fans from both sides of the river; most Millwall fans can trace their roots to the docks, be that Millwall Dock on the Isle of Dogs or Surrey Commercial Docks in Rotherhithe.

East London teams: West Ham and Leyton Orient.
South London teams: Charlton and Wimbledon.
North London teams: Tottenham Hotspur and Arsenal.
West London teams: Chelsea, Fulham & QPR.
Docklands: Millwall.
Greater London: Crystal Palace, Brentford, Dagenham & Redbridge & Barnet.

I know, it was just tongue-in-cheek

My grandad was from Stepney, which I imagine would be more W**t H** territory, but he supported Millwall all his life.

Rotherhithe is very nice. I was down there for a friends wedding once. The Mayflower is a wonderful pub.

 

[Greenwich Blade]

Whilst I agree that in an ideal world objects etc. should not be being thrown; the reality is that we do not live in an ideal world. Humans are apes & regularly demonstrate ape like behaviour (I have even seen 'civilised' accountants get angry because someone has parked outside THEIR house).

I was first taken to The Den in 1986. Therefore, the worse ground in the worse decade for football violence. And guess what, I can say on my children's lives I never saw any trouble as a kid. Why? Because my uncle and granddad were responsible adults. They didn't think to take me to pubs in New Cross that away fans would have to travel past. They never decided to exit the ground and make sure they were on the corner that away fans had to go past to get to the trains. If we played someone like West Ham or Chelsea they made sure they got to the ground earlier than usual and gave me some sweets to keep me happy, while they read a newspaper/fanzine or chatted. They simply made sensible decisions to avoid any situations that may be dodgy.

Yet on Saturday, there were people with kids at pubs where Millwall fans had to past (by order of the Police I may add), gawking outside and some even joining in with the taunts. And after the game Millwall fans were again directed by the police past large groups of Sheffield United fans deliberately gathered at various locations on route, their phones out and taunts flying. Some of these actually had their kids with them.

I would never even think to say to my little one, 'hey, Leeds are in town today and they will be escorted through Borough Market, let's make sure we are there to watch'. No. I would either decide to drive & park on the Surrey Canal side of the ground, thus avoiding Leeds fans completely, or travel on the train, but make my journey a bit earlier, get inside the ground and buy them some sweets and browse my phone. After, I may dally a bit, go to club shop or watch the results come in and then make my way to the station, knowing the BTP had whisked Leeds fans away.

I understand if you are simply making your way to the ground and all of a sudden the Millwall escort appears, then that's not really your fault (although, as said, perhaps change the time you get to ground?); but you can still move away as best as possible. So many were all too happy to join in with taunting or at least watch it close up.

I know the argument will be 'you shouldn't have to do all that'. Well, grow up. Sorry. If it's a high profile game against a high profile trouble team you do. You have that responsibility.

I agree with most of what you say, except that it was quite reasonable for home fans to have headed for The Sentinel after the match because in all the time it has been in existence - not long, granted - the police have never taken away fans on this route to the station. Also, given all the hoo-ha Gary Sinclair made about the Millwall fans being kept in at the end, I was surprised to see the away section almost clear before I'd left my seat, and even more surprised to see them being marched along St. Mary's Gate as I crossed the Shoreham Street junction.

Still, at least things have improved from 2002, the first game after the Battle of Bramall Lane, when SYP blocked off either end of Bramall Lane itself, forgetting that those exiting the BLUT (myself included) would be trapped alongside the Millwall fans.

 

[1980]

I know, it was just tongue-in-cheek

My grandad was from Stepney, which I imagine would be more W**t H** territory, but he supported Millwall all his life.

Rotherhithe is very nice. I was down there for a friends wedding once. The Mayflower is a wonderful pub.

I know - but I would never missed an opportunity to point out that Palace, far from 'owning' south London, are in fact a Greater London football club, which were based in Surrey until 1965.

Also, that's why I did bring up the docklands thing. Stepney is very much Millwall (the old communities left there at least); your granddad would be among other Millwall families in the area, famously Danny Baker's family, plus Bob Crow and Darren Purse. And is why I would never categorise Millwall as solely a 'south' London club, as we have always drawn support from both sides of the river & based more on the docks, than geography of London.

The BBC have a lot to answer for; making out on Eastenders that West Ham are the East End club. They are not. They have always drawn most of their support from east London & the Essex borders. Millwall are the only professional football club to ever play in the actual East End & have always drawn their support from it and the Surrey Docks over the river. In fact, Arsenal have more fans from the East End than West Ham, as they would be the team to follow if you were a glory hunter in that area.

And yes, Rotherhithe is nice - and is still one of the few inner parts of London that remains pretty much as it was.

 

[Davalon]

Whilst I agree that in an ideal world objects etc. should not be being thrown; the reality is that we do not live in an ideal world. Humans are apes & regularly demonstrate ape like behaviour (I have even seen 'civilised' accountants get angry because someone has parked outside THEIR house).

I was first taken to The Den in 1986. Therefore, the worse ground in the worse decade for football violence. And guess what, I can say on my children's lives I never saw any trouble as a kid. Why? Because my uncle and granddad were responsible adults. They didn't think to take me to pubs in New Cross that away fans would have to travel past. They never decided to exit the ground and make sure they were on the corner that away fans had to go past to get to the trains. If we played someone like West Ham or Chelsea they made sure they got to the ground earlier than usual and gave me some sweets to keep me happy, while they read a newspaper/fanzine or chatted. They simply made sensible decisions to avoid any situations that may be dodgy.

Yet on Saturday, there were people with kids at pubs where Millwall fans had to past (by order of the Police I may add), gawking outside and some even joining in with the taunts. And after the game Millwall fans were again directed by the police past large groups of Sheffield United fans deliberately gathered at various locations on route, their phones out and taunts flying. Some of these actually had their kids with them.

I would never even think to say to my little one, 'hey, Leeds are in town today and they will be escorted through Borough Market, let's make sure we are there to watch'. No. I would either decide to drive & park on the Surrey Canal side of the ground, thus avoiding Leeds fans completely, or travel on the train, but make my journey a bit earlier, get inside the ground and buy them some sweets and browse my phone. After, I may dally a bit, go to club shop or watch the results come in and then make my way to the station, knowing the BTP had whisked Leeds fans away.

I understand if you are simply making your way to the ground and all of a sudden the Millwall escort appears, then that's not really your fault (although, as said, perhaps change the time you get to ground?); but you can still move away as best as possible. So many were all too happy to join in with taunting or at least watch it close up.

I know the argument will be 'you shouldn't have to do all that'. Well, grow up. Sorry. If it's a high profile game against a high profile trouble team you do. You have that responsibility.

Millwall fan in refusing to criticise their scum element shocker.

Hide your kids away people, the middle aged knuckledraggers throwing missiles is not to be frowned upon. All part of the game.

 

[Davalon]

There you go again.

I'm over 60 and I sometimes behave like a child.

I don't know why you have a problem with that because I'd bet anything that when you're over 60 you'll do exactly the same, and I've known some grumpy children in my time.

I haven't watched the video so I don't know what she did, I just know that her age is irrelevant.

No answer to that pops.

 

[1980]

Millwall fan in refusing to criticise their scum element shocker.

Hide your kids away people, the middle aged knuckledraggers throwing missiles is not to be frowned upon. All part of the game.

How on earth do you know if I have criticised them or not? Or does it only count if I do it on a Football Forum?

And your comprehension skills must be extremely poor if that is what you took from that post.

 

[Davalon]

How on earth do you know if I have criticised them or not? Or does it only count if I do it on a Football Forum?

And your comprehension skills must be extremely poor if that is what you took from that post.

Always the same mate.

I've got time for all decent football fans and I've met plenty of cracking Millwall fans over the years. However one thing has always been prevalent to me, and that's too few associated with the club will condemn the gutter element.

I was genuinely surprised how Harris and Morison responded to the Wembley pitch invasion tbh.

We've got our own idiots who like to throw smoke canisters at our fans regularly but they get plenty of stick on here.

I don't expect Millwall not to react to goading but most of our fans had no idea of the route your lot would be taken, and were either on their way home, or having a drink in a reasonable place. To suggest people should have effectively hidden away, rather than criticise the missile chuckers, says it all.

I've never been part of our hooligan element but neither can I say I've always been an angel during my near 40 years going to matches. One thing I've never done is throw missiles at anyone, let alone at mixed groups of people just because they were supporters of the opposition. I know it's a pathetic English hoolie trait but it's something I've witnessed from your lot more than anyone in the club game.

It's chicken and egg. People say if you get treated like animals, you act like them. Trouble is there's a reason too often some of your fans get that treatment.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Always the same mate.

I've got time for all decent football fans and I've met plenty of cracking Millwall fans over the years. However one thing has always been prevalent to me, and that's too few associated with the club will condemn the gutter element.

I was genuinely surprised how Harris and Morison responded to the Wembley pitch invasion tbh.

We've got our own idiots who like to throw smoke canisters at our fans regularly but they get plenty of stick on here.

I don't expect Millwall not to react to goading but most of our fans had no idea of the route your lot would be taken, and were either on their way home, or having a drink in a reasonable place. To suggest people should have effectively hidden away, rather than criticise the missile chuckers, says it all.

I've never been part of our hooligan element but neither can I say I've always been an angel during my near 40 years going to matches. One thing I've never done is throw missiles at anyone, let alone at mixed groups of people just because they were supporters of the opposition. I know it's a pathetic English hoolie trait but it's something I've witnessed from your lot more than anyone in the club game.

It's chicken and egg. People say if you get treated like animals, you act like them. Trouble is there's a reason too often some of your fans get that treatment.

The scrubbers at Port Vale are probably the worst around when it comes to missile throwing and attacking anyone.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Whilst I agree that in an ideal world objects etc. should not be being thrown; the reality is that we do not live in an ideal world. Humans are apes & regularly demonstrate ape like behaviour (I have even seen 'civilised' accountants get angry because someone has parked outside THEIR house).

I was first taken to The Den in 1986. Therefore, the worse ground in the worse decade for football violence. And guess what, I can say on my children's lives I never saw any trouble as a kid. Why? Because my uncle and granddad were responsible adults. They didn't think to take me to pubs in New Cross that away fans would have to travel past. They never decided to exit the ground and make sure they were on the corner that away fans had to go past to get to the trains. If we played someone like West Ham or Chelsea they made sure they got to the ground earlier than usual and gave me some sweets to keep me happy, while they read a newspaper/fanzine or chatted. They simply made sensible decisions to avoid any situations that may be dodgy.

Yet on Saturday, there were people with kids at pubs where Millwall fans had to past (by order of the Police I may add), gawking outside and some even joining in with the taunts. And after the game Millwall fans were again directed by the police past large groups of Sheffield United fans deliberately gathered at various locations on route, their phones out and taunts flying. Some of these actually had their kids with them.

I would never even think to say to my little one, 'hey, Leeds are in town today and they will be escorted through Borough Market, let's make sure we are there to watch'. No. I would either decide to drive & park on the Surrey Canal side of the ground, thus avoiding Leeds fans completely, or travel on the train, but make my journey a bit earlier, get inside the ground and buy them some sweets and browse my phone. After, I may dally a bit, go to club shop or watch the results come in and then make my way to the station, knowing the BTP had whisked Leeds fans away.

I understand if you are simply making your way to the ground and all of a sudden the Millwall escort appears, then that's not really your fault (although, as said, perhaps change the time you get to ground?); but you can still move away as best as possible. So many were all too happy to join in with taunting or at least watch it close up.

I know the argument will be 'you shouldn't have to do all that'. Well, grow up. Sorry. If it's a high profile game against a high profile trouble team you do. You have that responsibility.

We were told that hose of us in the family Stand (JSS to us older fans) to exit ia Shoreham Street. Ok for me as it's on the way to the station and some of us stopped n the Sentinel on Shoreham St. We were somewhat surprised o see your fans escorted own the very street we had been told to go down.

 

[wizadry]

Whilst I agree that in an ideal world objects etc. should not be being thrown; the reality is that we do not live in an ideal world. Humans are apes & regularly demonstrate ape like behaviour (I have even seen 'civilised' accountants get angry because someone has parked outside THEIR house).

I was first taken to The Den in 1986. Therefore, the worse ground in the worse decade for football violence. And guess what, I can say on my children's lives I never saw any trouble as a kid. Why? Because my uncle and granddad were responsible adults. They didn't think to take me to pubs in New Cross that away fans would have to travel past. They never decided to exit the ground and make sure they were on the corner that away fans had to go past to get to the trains. If we played someone like West Ham or Chelsea they made sure they got to the ground earlier than usual and gave me some sweets to keep me happy, while they read a newspaper/fanzine or chatted. They simply made sensible decisions to avoid any situations that may be dodgy.

Yet on Saturday, there were people with kids at pubs where Millwall fans had to past (by order of the Police I may add), gawking outside and some even joining in with the taunts. And after the game Millwall fans were again directed by the police past large groups of Sheffield United fans deliberately gathered at various locations on route, their phones out and taunts flying. Some of these actually had their kids with them.

I would never even think to say to my little one, 'hey, Leeds are in town today and they will be escorted through Borough Market, let's make sure we are there to watch'. No. I would either decide to drive & park on the Surrey Canal side of the ground, thus avoiding Leeds fans completely, or travel on the train, but make my journey a bit earlier, get inside the ground and buy them some sweets and browse my phone. After, I may dally a bit, go to club shop or watch the results come in and then make my way to the station, knowing the BTP had whisked Leeds fans away.

I understand if you are simply making your way to the ground and all of a sudden the Millwall escort appears, then that's not really your fault (although, as said, perhaps change the time you get to ground?); but you can still move away as best as possible. So many were all too happy to join in with taunting or at least watch it close up.

I know the argument will be 'you shouldn't have to do all that'. Well, grow up. Sorry. If it's a high profile game against a high profile trouble team you do. You have that responsibility.

I take your points on board but there’s no way I’m changing what I do on a match day for dickheads who think they can do what they like, that’s a form of bullying and I won’t tolerate that sort of bullshit.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

We've got our own idiots who like to throw smoke canisters at our fans regularly but they get plenty of stick on here.

Yep, there was one thrown from the Westfield corner after they equalised. Was successful only in choking half of the front row of the UT due to it landing on the protective netting.

 

[madeinsheffield]

Yep, there was one thrown from the Westfield corner after they equalised. Was successful only in choking half of the front row of the UT due to it landing on the protective netting.

To be fair he did well to throw it that far, it was on fire you know!

 

[1980]

Always the same mate.

I've got time for all decent football fans and I've met plenty of cracking Millwall fans over the years. However one thing has always been prevalent to me, and that's too few associated with the club will condemn the gutter element.

I was genuinely surprised how Harris and Morison responded to the Wembley pitch invasion tbh.

We've got our own idiots who like to throw smoke canisters at our fans regularly but they get plenty of stick on here.

I don't expect Millwall not to react to goading but most of our fans had no idea of the route your lot would be taken, and were either on their way home, or having a drink in a reasonable place. To suggest people should have effectively hidden away, rather than criticise the missile chuckers, says it all.

I've never been part of our hooligan element but neither can I say I've always been an angel during my near 40 years going to matches. One thing I've never done is throw missiles at anyone, let alone at mixed groups of people just because they were supporters of the opposition. I know it's a pathetic English hoolie trait but it's something I've witnessed from your lot more than anyone in the club game.

It's chicken and egg. People say if you get treated like animals, you act like them. Trouble is there's a reason too often some of your fans get that treatment.

You are going off on lots of different tangents.

My point is that you cannot change other people's behaviour, not matter much you may want to. However, you can take responsibility for your own actions and behaviour. Sadly, in the world we live in that is what you have to do in certain situations. That is all I am saying. My uncle and granddad did it in the 1980s when they took me to Millwall games; and as a result I never saw any trouble. My little one has never seen trouble at a football match either; because I have never exposed them to those situations.

It is sad that that is what you need to do; but you need to grow up really if you think something as tribalistic as football will not encourage moronic behaviour, especially when it is a high profile & important match between two clubs with significant hooligan problems such as Sheffield United and Millwall.

 

[1980]

I take your points on board but there’s no way I’m changing what I do on a match day for dickheads who think they can do what they like, that’s a form of bullying and I won’t tolerate that sort of bullshit.

No it's not. It's being a grown-up.

 

[Dkc]

Me and one other Blade watched the game in a pub with at least 25 Millwall, no trouble whatsoever, despite us getting in their face a bit when we scored. They did the same to us a minute later of course.

 

[wizadry]

No it's not. It's being a grown-up.

So I should stop what I’m doing because Millwall are turning up? Not on your nelly, mate.

I’m mature enough to realise bullies will never win and they are bullies.

If you want bollocks you can get it, if you don’t you can easily get out of it. I didn’t change what I did on Saturday and had or saw no trouble whatsoever, who’d have thought it, eh?

 

[FlamingLip]

if i was taking kids, i'd have made sure i was out their way - common sense. as i wasn't i didn't change any plans and didn't see or hear of any trouble and enjoyed the day and atmosphere. one of the better games of the season.

 

[Bashar Al Asaba]

I think we're in danger of falling into the trap of sounding like Wednesdayites here.

How often do they make out that we're classless, thuggish scum whilst at the same time being high up on the list for arrests and banning orders themselves each season? Somebody even died at their hands 4 years ago.

A number of Millwall fans are arseholes, but I've seen enough shit caused by our supporters over the years to know that we have plenty in our ranks as well. Both sides are as eager to go at it as each other. We aren't in a good position to be claiming the moral high ground, especially since our problem seems to be getting worse.

 

[1980]

So I should stop what I’m doing because Millwall are turning up? Not on your nelly, mate.

I’m mature enough to realise bullies will never win and they are bullies.

If you want bollocks you can get it, if you don’t you can easily get out of it. I didn’t change what I did on Saturday and had or saw no trouble whatsoever, who’d have thought it, eh?

I think something has been missed in translation here. I was talking about people with kids.

Let's say that by some miracle Millwall go up & we play West Ham & I stick to my routine. That means taking the little one on the tube and train. Unfortunately she has to see all the argy bargy and swearing, maybe even some scuffles. However, I insist that we are still going to the pub in Bermondsey to have a pint & her orange juice to meet her uncles. Yet, a mob of West Ham are escorted past and all hell breaks lose, with chairs and other missiles flying & she gets hit by a coin. But, despite all that I insist we get back to London Bridge as quick as possible after the match to catch the same train as always - and there is more trouble & she is subjected to it.

Now, you may think I'm a bit of hero, because by golly I didn't let the dickheads and bullies win & stuck to my routine. But do you know what the little one's mum is going to say to me when I get home and the little one is in bed? 'Grow up you fucking moron'.

 

[N20 Blade]

I think something has been missed in translation here. I was talking about people with kids.

Let's say that by some miracle Millwall go up & we play West Ham & I stick to my routine. That means taking the little one on the tube and train. Unfortunately she has to see all the argy bargy and swearing, maybe even some scuffles. However, I insist that we are still going to the pub in Bermondsey to have a pint & her orange juice to meet her uncles. Yet, a mob of West Ham are escorted past and all hell breaks lose, with chairs and other missiles flying & she gets hit by a coin. But, despite all that I insist we get back to London Bridge as quick as possible after the match to catch the same train as always - and there is more trouble & she is subjected to it.

Now, you may think I'm a bit of hero, because by golly I didn't let the dickheads and bullies win & stuck to my routine. But do you know what the little one's mum is going to say to me when I get home and the little one is in bed? 'Grow up you fucking moron'.

You're spot on 1980, I came up with three of my kids on Saturday and I changed our routine to avoid unnecessary risks i.e. earlier train for the first time in 23 years, told the kids to cover their shirts on the train until it was clear there was no immediate issue, met my dad outside the station rather than hang around on the platform for his train, walked the long way back to the station, got a later train, etc. Did it make it a worse day? Of course it didn't just a safer one.

 

[wizadry]

I think something has been missed in translation here. I was talking about people with kids.

Let's say that by some miracle Millwall go up & we play West Ham & I stick to my routine. That means taking the little one on the tube and train. Unfortunately she has to see all the argy bargy and swearing, maybe even some scuffles. However, I insist that we are still going to the pub in Bermondsey to have a pint & her orange juice to meet her uncles. Yet, a mob of West Ham are escorted past and all hell breaks lose, with chairs and other missiles flying & she gets hit by a coin. But, despite all that I insist we get back to London Bridge as quick as possible after the match to catch the same train as always - and there is more trouble & she is subjected to it.

Now, you may think I'm a bit of hero, because by golly I didn't let the dickheads and bullies win & stuck to my routine. But do you know what the little one's mum is going to say to me when I get home and the little one is in bed? 'Grow up you fucking moron'.

Fair enough, I have a Youngun by the way and I take him home and away when tickets are available and we haven’t had one bit of trouble. I’ve been in home ends loads of times and had no trouble whatsoever and only is this issue been brought up due to the police taking a different route for reasons beknown to us after Saturdays game. It’s those that are lobbing missiles that need to grow up, not me or you.

I’m sorry but it’s always the people that don’t want the bollocks that get told to alter what they do, just let them win then.

 

[1980]

You're spot on 1980, I came up with three of my kids on Saturday and I changed our routine to avoid unnecessary risks i.e. earlier train for the first time in 23 years, told the kids to cover their shirts on the train until it was clear there was no immediate issue, met my dad outside the station rather than hang around on the platform for his train, walked the long way back to the station, got a later train, etc. Did it make it a worse day? Of course it didn't just a safer one.

Exactly.

It is sad you had to do that. But, this is not a Millwall or Sheffield United thing. We are just two dads looking out for our kids & no doubt would have enjoyed talking about the match. As you would have with many of the Millwall fans. Yet, you realised that as sad as it is, there are dickheads out there & it's not good enough saying 'I won't be intimidated' & did the grown up and sensible thing instead.

The way I see it is that football is very tribalistic, some young (and some old) men take this to extremes & it's very naive to think just because you believe it to be 'pathetic' or 'stupid' that it won't happen. And due to historical, geographical etc. reasons, some clubs are have more tribalistic fans than others, especially when playing similar clubs & definitely in important matches. The only sensible thing to do is recognise this and try to limit contact with these elements as much as possible.

 

[1980]

I’m sorry but it’s always the people that don’t want the bollocks that get told to alter what they do, just let them win then.

Sadly yes. That's life unfortunately. Think about all the aggro caused at gigs, festivals and on High Streets - it's what, 5% (if that) of the population. But everyone pays for it.

 

[ForgeBlade]

Quite often my dad (59) and I (32) will go to Sentinel for a pint on his way back to the railway station after match. Its local, it's unarguably a "home" pub, and I'd venture that the prices, as well as the beer on offer, keep a lot of the morons away.

Neither of us are, or have ever been involved in any of the moronic and stupid violence that happens at football, yet from the sounds of it Sentinel was attacked with missiles, threats and pretty foul verbal abuse after the match.

The gist of this Millwall fan's point seems to be that we should change our routine because the mighty and terrifying 'wall are in town. This is utter bollocks. We should be safe to go where we want, and drink where we want, without a mob of scumbag cockney pricks ruining the day. Whichever team they associate with, football hooligans are a stain on the game that needs stamping out. Refusing to vociferously and publicly condemn those who are attached to your club is tantamount to condoning it in my opinion. Millwall FC should be invoiced for the cost of any repairs to the pub.

 

[Davalon]

The scrubbers at Port Vale are probably the worst around when it comes to missile throwing and attacking anyone.

Last season was a joke tbf. A few scrubbers in the park lobbing stuff whilst the coppers kept us pinned in the car park as sitting ducks. Lad in front of me had blood running down his face from a gashed head.

 

[1980]

Quite often my dad (59) and I (32) will go to Sentinel for a pint on his way back to the railway station after match. Its local, it's unarguably a "home" pub, and I'd venture that the prices, as well as the beer on offer, keep a lot of the morons away.

Neither of us are, or have ever been involved in any of the moronic and stupid violence that happens at football, yet from the sounds of it Sentinel was attacked with missiles, threats and pretty foul verbal abuse after the match.

The gist of this Millwall fan's point seems to be that we should change our routine because the mighty and terrifying 'wall are in town. This is utter bollocks. We should be safe to go where we want, and drink where we want, without a mob of scumbag cockney pricks ruining the day. Whichever team they associate with, football hooligans are a stain on the game that needs stamping out. Refusing to vociferously and publicly condemn those who are attached to your club is tantamount to condoning it in my opinion. Millwall FC should be invoiced for the cost of any repairs to the pub.

The Sentinel was not 'attacked'. That implies Millwall hooligans planned to go to the pub to cause trouble. What actually happened was for whatever reason the Millwall escort was taken past the pub, at which point elements on both sides started trading insults and objects

The 'gist' of my point was that you are not able to control the actions of others, be they Millwall hooligans, bad drivers, suicide bombers or just unpleasant neighbours. However, you can make your own choices - that's what grown-ups do. They accept the reality of the world they live and recognise that it is not perfect & do what they can to do the right thing and navigate all the pit-fuls.

For example, let's say it was Millwall fans and Millwall fans alone who were acting like thugs as they walked past the Sentinel pub, well then surely the logic follows that rather than retaliate, the more sensible Sheffield United fans simpley don't react or go back inside the pub. After all the Millwall fans were in a police escort and were being moved along.

As for 'refusing to vociferously and publicly condemn those who are attached to your club is tantamount to condoning it in my opinion'. Crikey, where did you get that kind of logic, a BNP rally? Change club to religion and you can see my point. Anyway, how do you know what I or other Millwall fans say in public?

And now I know this is just a ridiculous rant with 'Millwall FC should be invoiced for the cost of any repairs to the pub'. If this happened and set a precedent I wonder how far it could be taken? Could Millwall hooligans bankrupt West Ham United, for instance, by dressing up as 'ammers and going on rampages at every West Ham away game? Imagine if it was points docked too - could the Blades Business Crew get Sheffield Wednesday relegated to the Yorkshire Whippet & Pigeon Fanciers League Division Two?