McCabe has to go

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

It never occurred to me. The opinions advanced in this thread are opinions that a Blades fan might hold.

I find it regrettable that some people find it difficult to grasp that it is possible to support United and give them 100 percent backing at games whilst still being critical of the way the club is run.

I know people who have supported United for over 60 years, still go to every home and away game, and think McCabe has not invested enough in this transfer window and hold views like the OP. Are they Pigs?

Not everything is black and white.

This^^^^^

I am 100% behind the wilder and team this is the best it has been for what 10 years ? , but surely people feel a bit underwhelmed by this summers recruitment.
We have received what 6/7 mill plus our initial budget and we have spent maybe 2 million tops ?
Im not asking to chuck money at it like Wendy but I'm sure wilder could work wonders with a more ambitious budget.
To the people saying oh we've bid this and that , it doesn't matter cause we haven't signed them. On deadline day we were bidding 100k for a striker and trying to loan a 17year old kid so yes the budget isn't sufficient to my liking.
We are a championship team now so we should start acting like one.

 

[dazzlingblade]

This^^^^^

I am 100% behind the wilder and team this is the best it has been for what 10 years ? , but surely people feel a bit underwhelmed by this summers recruitment.
We have received what 6/7 mill plus our initial budget and we have spent maybe 2 million tops ?
Im not asking to chuck money at it like Wendy but I'm sure wilder could work wonders with a more ambitious budget.
To the people saying oh we've bid this and that , it doesn't matter cause we haven't signed them. On deadline day we were bidding 100k for a striker and trying to loan a 17year old kid so yes the budget isn't sufficient to my liking.
We are a championship team now so we should start acting like one.

to the people saying oh we've bid this and that , it doesn't matter cause we haven't signed them???


that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard, it was reported everywhere we bid 2m for egan on deadline day and it was refused, therefore the budget was there, yes it wasn't spent but no one can deny a minimum of 2m was available, otherwise a bid could not have been lodged. surely you can process that if you remove your agenda blinkers, or are you saying if it had been accepted the board would then have said sorry chris we were winding you up we said you could bid this and that but if brentford had said ok 2m is fine, we would then have said you cant really have him we were pulling your leg

 

[The Crab]

Hi Kev

If it's the Doom I'm thinking of they post on the Steelers forum, a pretty switched on guy who posts good stuff.

 

[The Crab]

And how long have Birmingham been a role model for financial matters? Since they started spending money under 'Arry?

If Birmingham are a model of financial good practice then so was Robert Maxwell

 

[The Crab]

Can we add that to the agenda, under 'any other business'?

This meeting is taking a while, any more Custard Creams?

 

[Grizzly blade]

Well I just did , has he not pumped millions in to Wendy.
Obvs the ticket prices etc are laughable he has put his money where his mouth is you can't deny that .

Hey....shit for brains...over how many years has chancer invested? How much has he actually "invested"? And I don't mean loaded with debt, I mean invested....written off...given away if you like.

Because from where I am sat KM has invested over a long period, overseen overhauls of the stadium and created an academy among the best in the land. He has invested around £60m of his own money having written off loans he made to the club. His fortune providing the collateral for borrowing against projects for the ground and overseas.
Granted the overseas projects didn't make the returns hoped but only a complete moron....or a pig...would suggest that a Thai son of a dolphin killer has invested more or done a better job than KM.

Go away, do your research.

But old chancer isn't giving money away dickhead. And their current lack is of spending in this last transfer window suggests the limit has been reached.

 

[Grizzly blade]

For a handful of clubs yes. What about the ones who have spent millions and have had no success at all?

Not sure you should be asking such difficult questions....especially the ones that blow away his argument in one sentence.

 

[Yewsman]

I am so weary of this anti McCabe stuff. Thank god the club is run and backed financially by KM and not by people like the OP and those others supporting him. I've posted so many replies to this sort of nonsense I can't be bothered to add another. Kevin please stay....

 

[Harrisblade]

I am so weary of this anti McCabe stuff. Thank god the club is run and backed financially by KM and not by people like the OP and those others supporting him. I've posted so many replies to this sort of nonsense I can't be bothered to add another. Kevin please stay....

Fighting talk!

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Hes a fucking teacher ??

Ha ha.

He's probably an Economics/Business Studies teacher!

 

[blade too long]

https://www.insidermedia.com/insider/national/football-financeres some wide ranging figures.-r-club-by-club-2015-16ate

When you look at championship clubs finances there's some wide ranging figures . Between the amount of debt they all have and the money they generate

 

[sitwell]

This^^^^^

I am 100% behind the wilder and team this is the best it has been for what 10 years ? , but surely people feel a bit underwhelmed by this summers recruitment.
We have received what 6/7 mill plus our initial budget and we have spent maybe 2 million tops ?
Im not asking to chuck money at it like Wendy but I'm sure wilder could work wonders with a more ambitious budget.
To the people saying oh we've bid this and that , it doesn't matter cause we haven't signed them. On deadline day we were bidding 100k for a striker and trying to loan a 17year old kid so yes the budget isn't sufficient to my liking.
We are a championship team now so we should start acting like one.

to the people saying oh we've bid this and that , it doesn't matter cause we haven't signed them???

Then he harps on about bidding for a 100k player and a kid

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

Don't you mean, "There appears to be a correlation between spending and apparent success...?"

Spending for the sake of spending, just because you can, probably won't achieve much. These days, selling a player for £90mil, and then finding that you can't attract a player of similar quality, well that puts that discussion to the sword I think.

Quite a few clubs, mostly in the Premiership, are spending £30-45mil as if money's going out of fashion. I can see that spending can bring quality that you may be missing, but whether it achieves success, well that's unproven. QPR have been consistently hefty spenders but it's guaranteed them nothing. Manchester City are the new money bags (at least in the UK), but I reckon they'll have to spend far more and for much longer if they want to bring the bacon home consistently. All they've done so far is spend, spend, spend.......if that's what you mean by spending equals success then I think the argument is a lost cause.

I think there's a certain type of supporter who gets a adrenalin buzz just because his team spend huge chunks of dosh. Whether it's spent well, wisely, or in any way, shape, or form, brings about the desired effect, well that's an unqualified loss leader.....because that's exactly what it is, it raises your profile, it speaks of intent, but as for what else it achieves, I'm really not sure.

Having said all the above, a point soon comes when those in charge need to make serious and realistic assessments about their capabilities and intentions. Of course money helps, and who doesn't like the thought of watching a player or three raise the quality thresh-hold of the club you support? I suppose what I'm saying is, spend if (A) you're bursting at the seams with money, or (B) you are capable of spending money within your budgetary constraints. It's not complicated really.

I'm not saying he hasn't , or he hasn't done a great job in the past. Because he has.
However we are coming up to a point where I doubt McCabes money can take us to the next level.
This goes for wages aswell and what the current structure is , what if fleck and O'Connell have a stormer this year and we won't break the structure they'll be straight off same for brooks.













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when QPR first started spending in the championship under warnock they got promoted first time of asking. So that pretty much proves my point there.

It's not really how much we spend on players it's the ambition we show as a club.
Arsenal might be one of the biggest clu
And I'm sorry to disappoint a few people on this thread that the only way to really show ambition is money and McCabe doesn't look like he can do that however much he has done in the past for us.

Hey....shit for brains...over how many years has chancer invested? How much has he actually "invested"? And I don't mean loaded with debt, I mean invested....written off...given away if you like.

Because from where I am sat KM has invested over a long period, overseen overhauls of the stadium and created an academy among the best in the land. He has invested around £60m of his own money having written off loans he made to the club. His fortune providing the collateral for borrowing against projects for the ground and overseas.
Granted the overseas projects didn't make the returns hoped but only a complete moron....or a pig...would suggest that a Thai son of a dolphin killer has invested more or done a better job than KM.

Go away, do your research.

But old chancer isn't giving money away dickhead. And their current lack is of spending in this last transfer window suggests the limit has been reached.

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

Then he harps on about bidding for a 100k player and a kid

Yeah proves my point really do you not think received all this money plus an initial budget and we're what bidding 100k on deadline day ?

 

[itsinyerblood]

when QPR first started spending in the championship under warnock they got promoted first time of asking. So that pretty much proves my point there.

And since then they've been unable to sustain that temporary hike. They've spent a lot of money without being able to show much reward. so hardly a proved point, but always worth mentioning if you feel it has merit, which you clearly do.

It's not really how much we spend on players it's the ambition we show as a club.
Arsenal might be one of the biggest clu
And I'm sorry to disappoint a few people on this thread that the only way to really show ambition is money and McCabe doesn't look like he can do that however much he has done in the past for us.

 

[sitwell]

Yeah proves my point really do you not think received all this money plus an initial budget and we're what bidding 100k on deadline day ?

To the people saying oh we've bid this and that , it doesn't matter cause we haven't signed them.

 

[secretchief]

to the people saying oh we've bid this and that , it doesn't matter cause we haven't signed them???


that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard, it was reported everywhere we bid 2m for egan on deadline day and it was refused, therefore the budget was there, yes it wasn't spent but no one can deny a minimum of 2m was available, otherwise a bid could not have been lodged. surely you can process that if you remove your agenda blinkers, or are you saying if it had been accepted the board would then have said sorry chris we were winding you up we said you could bid this and that but if brentford had said ok 2m is fine, we would then have said you cant really have him we were pulling your leg

They wanted between 3-4 million, which we were not prepared to pay.

 

[PokerBlade]

when QPR first started spending in the championship under warnock they got promoted first time of asking. So that pretty much proves my point there.

N=1.

You also need to consider the clubs that have spent big and achieved little to nothing or, worse, got themselves into financial difficulty and put the entire club at risk.

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

to the people saying oh we've bid this and that , it doesn't matter cause we haven't signed them???


that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard, it was reported everywhere we bid 2m for egan on deadline day and it was refused, therefore the budget was there, yes it wasn't spent but no one can deny a minimum of 2m was available, otherwise a bid could not have been lodged. surely you can process that if you remove your agenda blinkers, or are you saying if it had been accepted the board would then have said sorry chris we were winding you up we said you could bid this and that but if brentford had said ok 2m is fine, we would then have said you cant really have him we were pulling your leg

N=1.

You also need to consider the clubs that have spent big and achieved little to nothing or, worse, got themselves into financial difficulty and put the entire club at risk.

There aren't really any examples of that other than pompy ? Yeah teams spend money then stop when it's ran out.
I'm not saying chuck money recklessly at it , but we've spent nowt and itd surprising how many people don't see this , bidding 100 k on deadline day when we've received money from the walker and maguire deals plus what budget there should have already been.

 

[him behind you]

There aren't really any examples of that other than pompy ? Yeah teams spend money then stop when it's ran out.
I'm not saying chuck money recklessly at it , but we've spent nowt and itd surprising how many people don't see this , bidding 100 k on deadline day when we've received money from the walker and maguire deals plus what budget there should have already been.

What about the example of us starting under Robson - we even tried to get out of it by selling everyone and are still only just recovering. Personally I'd rather spend just enough to stay up this year rather than fuck up again and end up where we've been for the last few years. If Wilder et al have decided that £100k on deadline day is enough to do that, then that's good enough for me.

Maybe I lack ambition for the club but I think realistic ambition is building gradually on what we achieved last year rather than throwing money at an unlikely promotion attempt this year.

 

[Fraggle Blade]

to the people saying oh we've bid this and that , it doesn't matter cause we haven't signed them???


that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard, it was reported everywhere we bid 2m for egan on deadline day and it was refused, therefore the budget was there, yes it wasn't spent but no one can deny a minimum of 2m was available, otherwise a bid could not have been lodged. surely you can process that if you remove your agenda blinkers, or are you saying if it had been accepted the board would then have said sorry chris we were winding you up we said you could bid this and that but if brentford had said ok 2m is fine, we would then have said you cant really have him we were pulling your leg

Does it make it true that the Egan bid was actually placed, just because it was "reported everywhere"? I saw it on sky news as a report...............but it was never mentioned on the video or transcript from the deadline day, so it might be a tad premature to take as gospel that you can't "deny a minimum of 2m was available".

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

What about the example of us starting under Robson - we even tried to get out of it by selling everyone and are still only just recovering. Personally I'd rather spend just enough to stay up this year rather than fuck up again and end up where we've been for the last few years. If Wilder et al have decided that £100k on deadline day is enough to do that, then that's good enough for me.

Maybe I lack ambition for the club but I think realistic ambition is building gradually on what we achieved last year rather than throwing money at an unlikely promotion attempt this year.

I think that was more down to us having parachute payments that spending , and I'm pretty sure if the money was given to any other manager apart from Robson we would have been pushing for promotion as Blackwell showed the year after.
I'm pretty sure wilder would have much rather be allowed to have the budget to pay 2/3/4 million on a striker.
Yes it's great that wilder ethos fits in with the get your money's worth ethos

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

Does it make it true that the Egan bid was actually placed, just because it was "reported everywhere"? I saw it on sky news as a report...............but it was never mentioned on the video or transcript from the deadline day, so it might be a tad premature to take as gospel that you can't "deny a minimum of 2m was available".

I don't doubt we did bid for Egan but when they've just sold there other CB to brum there hardly gonna be wanting to sell Egan.
Again with coady bidding for him when hes just been made the club captain of the team with the most money in the league.

 

[Harrisblade]

I don't doubt we did bid for Egan but when they've just sold there other CB to brum there hardly gonna be wanting to sell Egan.
Again with coady bidding for him when hes just been made the club captain of the team with the most money in the league.

Someone (Silent?) has already explained that Coady was made captain because usual captain is injured.

 

[Harrisblade]

Does it make it true that the Egan bid was actually placed, just because it was "reported everywhere"? I saw it on sky news as a report...............but it was never mentioned on the video or transcript from the deadline day, so it might be a tad premature to take as gospel that you can't "deny a minimum of 2m was available".

But the video was only 9 minutes out of a day starting at 07.30 and lasting until 23.00 which was supposed to be about the behind the scenes difficulties on Deadline Day.
Other than the size of the bid, obviously of interest to Blades, what does a bid made and then rejected in a routine non-take-the-piss way add to the enjoyment?

 

[oldblade]

I think that was more down to us having parachute payments that spending , and I'm pretty sure if the money was given to any other manager apart from Robson we would have been pushing for promotion as Blackwell showed the year after.
I'm pretty sure wilder would have much rather be allowed to have the budget to pay 2/3/4 million on a striker.
Yes it's great that wilder ethos fits in with the get your money's worth ethos

That seems to be a different way of saying that despite having a pretty big budget we still failed to get promoted in two consecutive years under two different managers (which supports the point Pokerblade was making).

 

[Sean Thornton]

I think that was more down to us having parachute payments that spending , and I'm pretty sure if the money was given to any other manager apart from Robson we would have been pushing for promotion as Blackwell showed the year after.
I'm pretty sure wilder would have much rather be allowed to have the budget to pay 2/3/4 million on a striker.
Yes it's great that wilder ethos fits in with the get your money's worth ethos

You clearly have no idea if you honk the parachute payments at that time covered the losses. McCabe invested heavily. It's a matter of public record but let's ignore that.

I think Wilder is well aware of his budget and won't bleat about making these financially unrealistic signings like some on here. Of course he'd like more, but he understands there's a limit.

 

[Sean Thornton]

when QPR first started spending in the championship under warnock they got promoted first time of asking. So that pretty much proves my point there.

It's not really how much we spend on players it's the ambition we show as a club.
Arsenal might be one of the biggest clu
And I'm sorry to disappoint a few people on this thread that the only way to really show ambition is money and McCabe doesn't look like he can do that however much he has done in the past for us.

Again factually inaccurate. QPR didn't go mad in the CCC. They were doing well all season on a relatively meagre budget. The serious spending began after. Other than that promotion, the only other "success" is that the owners have wriiten off around £180 million in loans that they know they won't get back.

Not really the success story you'd have us believe .

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

Again factually inaccurate. QPR didn't go mad in the CCC. They were doing well all season on a relatively meagre budget. The serious spending began after. Other than that promotion, the only other "success" is that the owners have wriiten off around £180 million in loans that they know they won't get back.

Not really the success story you'd have us believe .

QPR definitley had the biggest budget in the league the year they pissed the league under warnock

 

[Sean Thornton]

QPR definitley had the biggest budget in the league the year they pissed the league under warnock

The big money was spent after that season by Warnock and then I think Hughes and Redknapp. A look at Warnocks squad in the promotion season tends to back that up. It may have been the biggest though, but wasn't successful because millions and millions had been thrown at it by Fernandes.