McBurnie

[RecordBreakers]

Yes, the score flattered us and I said as much last night to all the pigs I had the pleasure of talking to at a doo we went to

But, at this stage of the season all that matters is 3 points. Just ask those pesky pigs if they’d have settled for a shit performance and 3 points. I think I know what they’d say?

As for a defender getting MOTM, who gives a fk? 11 players on the pitch and all of them entitled to win MOTM

IF you ask me, ( I know you won’t ) I think this last half a dozen games or so, our most consistent player has probably been Egan? I can’t remember a customary fk up from him in recent times?

On to Tuesday and believe me, 3 points is all that matters. Everything else is secondary

100% agree mate 3pts are 3pts and they all put us closer to where we want to be. As for pigs I have the pleasure of having family members that travel all over with them and they was almost in the pub before me yesterday they left at 3-1 and I enjoyed every little bit of the shit I gave them last night. UTB

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

Sorry but he isn't scoring enough goals at all- he's not in the right places because he's far far too slow. Great we won yesterday but c'mon he was epitomy of useless.

Link up play? He's our number 9 - he needs to score a few goals- Cardiff were dogshit, Wigan were the same - good forwards would have scored multiple times against this standard.

You can't keep apologising for him, at the time we got MCB there were soundings of perhaps Wilder getting Ollie Watkins - yes we know wages an issue- but Jesus H Christ that's a lethal striker, MCB just isn't.

On the plus side he's great at defending corners- but sorry in this team Illy carries MCB- if we had a decent partner we'd be above Burnley.

You can’t score goals with no service,how many clear chances has he had ? Even Haaland misses a few. He opens space up for others,ili,mcatee ,Bogle (who usually makes a balls up) ,he ran his blood to water yesterday.

 

[Nick Jansky]

You can't change how you feel

You can. It is actually a choice, albeit an unconscious one, to always look for the negative in absolutely anything. It is a comfort zone for many, and that’s a shame, for them & the people around them.

 

[dc_blade]

A goal for every 163 minutes on the pitch this season: better than one in two on minutes played and our best player in this regard by some distance. Three times better than Sharp.

 

[coolasanidiot]

You can’t score goals with no service,how many clear chances has he had ? Even Haaland misses a few. He opens space up for others,ili,mcatee ,Bogle (who usually makes a balls up) ,he ran his blood to water yesterday.

yeah he did trouble was it was at a pace slower than a tractor. He looked completely whacked after about 10 minutes, he has the engine of a mouse.

 

[1889]

Agreed and that happens all too often.
The mentality of some of our fans screaming at a player as soon as they lose it or misplace a pass. There are no players that have a 100% perfect game, not even Kevin DB so having a go at players for the slightest error is just pathetic.

I was applauding Berge when he took their advancing player out for a yellow. There were fans screaming at him calling it stupid. Beggars belied it really does.

What your conveniently ignoring is that seconds earlier, Sander had received the ball, he dithered seemingly unsure where his next pass was and was easily disposed by the Cardiff player who outpaced him, as he advanced into our half. Sander then in desperation pulled him back and took the booking.

Whilst he played some great balls yesterday and played ok, what you found to applaud him for in that passage of play escapes me.

As an aside, I will concede that I hate the ‘professional foul’ it’s just blatant cheating and should be a straight red irrespective of where it occurs on the pitch imo.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

yeah he did trouble was it was at a pace slower than a tractor. He looked completely whacked after about 10 minutes, he has the engine of a mouse.

Ok then,who would you pick out of the current choices available ? We score 4 but still people grumble,whine and moan about certain players who don’t fit their criteria.

 

[Panini]

This season has really made me wonder what some fans get out of following United. Last week against Wigan we weren't clinical enough and we wanted a comfortable victory. This week we are clinical, get a comfortable victory and some people aren't happy because a defender got Man Of The Match and they thought the opposition deserved a point.

It's not going to get much better than this I'm afraid. I understand people wanting more but this is as good as it's likely to get for us. Just enjoy it. It's highly likely that in 5 years or so we will be reminiscing about this team and wishing we were watching them again.

Completely echo this.

If satisfaction only comes if

a) we are winning, constantly
b) we are giving reassurance that we are going to win, constantly
c) we allow absolutely nothing near our own net, or allow any of the opposition players win a tackle, complete a pass, dribble or header
d) we play every match to 'our potential'
e) we have enough of the ball to feel constantly in control of the match but not too much to feel like we're not doing enough with it
f) we get every single shot on target and score most of them
g) the ref gives us every decision possible
h) we are hearing what we want to hear from the manager, constantly and without exception
i) the 'right' players score and win MOM
j) our nearest rivals lose points every time we win and they fail to win every time we drop points

...then maybe it's not the right sport to follow. I totally get that following football/United is a release because it is to me, too. But if you find something to complain about every week and give yourself a heart attack when something doesn't go as you'd like then you don't need good luck or a good decision, you need a therapist.

The ref was poor yesterday even by Championship standards but guess what - being a ref is hard and if you watch other leagues or especially non-league you'll suddenly be very happy with what we get. Good refs become known across the world, that's how hard it is. Abusing refs is so passé.

Refereeing standards are just one aspect all coiled up in the same mindset. Perfection is acceptable. Anything less is unacceptable. For some, even our very best games this season haven't created joy, they just meet expectation.

I guess I've gone in a circle here but yeah, I don't see what some folk get out of it either.

 

[ancientblade]

Based on hate or reason ?

reason ive never rated mcburnie and never will hes had one good season in his career scoring 22 for swansea that season but its my personal opinion most on here seem to rate him but i dont

 

[SUFC Guy]

What your conveniently ignoring is that seconds earlier, Sander had received the ball, he dithered seemingly unsure where his next pass was and was easily disposed by the Cardiff player who outpaced him, as he advanced into our half. Sander then in desperation pulled him back and took the booking.

Whilst he played some great balls yesterday and played ok, what you found to applaud him for in that passage of play escapes me.

As an aside, I will concede that I hate the ‘professional foul’ it’s just blatant cheating and should be a straight red irrespective of where it occurs on the pitch imo.

I saw the whole passage of play and failed to miss nothing. Can you name 1 single player that didn't make a mistake yesterday, just one??? I doubt that you can. I can forgive a player for making a mistake (you clearly cannot)

Berge redeemed himself by making the profession foul. There was instantly at least 2 players that ran up to him and congratulated his professional foul - perhaps they don't know as much as you when it comes to key moments. If Berge had not fouled the player and let him run through and score what would you have said then?

 

[bakeblade]

OK, so, having slept on it I have a few more thoughts about McBurnie.

First, the way we play really doesn't suit him. He's not a target man and playing Illy next to him is not the same as playing two strikers. Much of the work he's asked to do is thankless and doesn't result in instant rewards. Press, hassle players, compete for headers, move the CBs around. I do not think he's doing this particularly well at the moment. He gets fouled a lot but instead of doing what he did in that hot streak before the injury he's constantly appealing for free kicks. Instead of giving the same back to the defender and fighting to win the ball. He doesn't look like he's moving freely at all. I know he has an odd gait but even so. Seems to be carrying something. His head doesn't look in the right space either. Far more intent on looking like an angry madman and ranting at a ref than getting on with it. I also think this attitude means that refs don't like him and rarely give him the benefit of the doubt.

He gets very few chances to score. Now, much of that is down to how we play but he doesn't have the pace to keep up when McAtee/WB breaks so not in the box and we don't really cross the ball high outside of Norwood/Doyle and set pieces. He lugs sluggish and seems to struggle to get across his man at the near post. Again, I think it's a mobility issue but on the rare occasion he has the ball at his feet in an advanced position he looks so slow at the moment. It's also a fact that his contract is up at the end of the year and I wonder if that is playing on his mental state.

Since he came back from the last injury, most games his performances have been between 5 and 6 (maybe the odd 7). Does an ok job but not really having an influence on games. Losing more battles than he wins against defenders, even like yesterday when we win fairly comfortably. This has been partly covered up by the goals he scored but now he's not scoring it looks more pronounced. The thing is, I don't think Sharp would do a better job and Jebbo is much more raw and inconsistent - he might play really well but equally really badly, which isn't great when you need to win every game.

As for next season, I don't think he's good enough for the top flight (should we go up) but then again I don't think we're likely to bring in two better players. Jebbo needs a Championship loan really and Sharp is gone. Brewster may never get fully fit for a long period again. So, I would assume we'll at least trigger the extra year.

And yes, he wins a lot of headers from defensive corners, which is great, but so does Sharp when he's on. This is as much to do with the manager and coaches than the player. He was a free role with no marking responsibilities and that's a tactic. One which Sharp does almost equally as well. Ditto with Norwood and the front post. Tactics. Thank the manager, while praising the player for doing it well.

So to summarise........ he's basically crap.

 

[Th!stledo]

Bet you've never said a player was shit before McBurnie was average yesterday

Never used the adjective you've used. Certainly not criticised a player of a team who had just won a pivotal match 4-1.
Does anyone really believe that slagging off a player has a positive effect on the team?

 

[Nick Jansky]

Never used the adjective you've used. Certainly not criticised a player of a team who had just won a pivotal match 4-1.
Does anyone really believe that slagging off a player has a positive effect on the team?

There are still plenty who believe that the art of management is mainly about having tantrums, throwing things around & delivering bollockings so yes, these people do move amongst us.

 

[1889]

I saw the whole passage of play and failed to miss nothing. Can you name 1 single player that didn't make a mistake yesterday, just one??? I doubt that you can. I can forgive a player for making a mistake (you clearly cannot)

Berge redeemed himself by making the profession foul. There was instantly at least 2 players that ran up to him and congratulated his professional foul - perhaps they don't know as much as you when it comes to key moments. If Berge had not fouled the player and let him run through and score what would you have said then?

The Cardiff player, took the ball off Berge he then went past him and out paced him. Berge wasn’t catching him so grabbed him round the waist and pulled him back.
I would never applaud that, anymore than I would applaud someone diving for a penalty or feigning injury to get an opponent booked or sent off. It is just this sort of shit, that is killing the game as a spectacle.
Personally, I think good play would have been Berge having the wherewithal, not to get caught in possession and disposed in the first place, but each to their own

 

[andy m]

In fairness those around me were screaming because he’d been easily knocked off the ball when in possession again when he’s twice their size, and then had to take the booking.
It wasn't for taking it.

With McBurnie, I still don’t think he gets the service he needs to score a lot of goals. If Doyle keeps delivering those early balls in as he did a couple of times yesterday, notably for the Robinson goal, McBurnies tally would increase but that’s not really been our style. McBurnie is doing fine within the way we play and if we go up, we’re going to have significantly less possession and are probably going to be looking for earlier balls in across goal.

That just didn't happen for Berge's booking. Why make shit up?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

That just didn't happen for Berge's booking. Why make shit up?

What an odd thing to post.
Of course it did and it was the specific discussion we had between us as he was too easily dispossessed or lost a challenge he should win a few times which was rather frustrating.

 

[andy m]

What an odd thing to post.
Of course it did and it was the specific discussion we had between us as he was too easily dispossessed or lost a challenge he should win a few times which was

Welll he didn't get knocked off the ball by someone half his size, he played a poor pass which got intercepted, so you making shit up to suit an agenda seems odd to me.

 

[Charlieblade]

Defensive frailty? What game were people watching? We gave the ball away for the penalty, Bogle blacked out, they had a speculative shot. They created nothing else at all. Poor in possession certainly, but defensively solid

I suspect that the apparent defensive confusion was caused by two things. Players like Baldock out of their normal position, Ahmedhodzic missing, and most defenders unsure about Davis’ positioning.

As I said, my pictures of live action were absent, due to only being able to access Radio Sheffield commentary.

 

[ancientblade]

I suspect that the apparent defensive confusion was caused by two things. Players like Baldock out of their normal position, Ahmedhodzic missing, and most defenders unsure about Davis’ positioning.

As I said, my pictures of live action were absent, due to only being able to access Radio Sheffield commentary.

baldock wasnt too bad even out of position but bogle was terrible and lowe wasnt much better baldock has to go back to rwb for the last 5 games and as well as robbo is playing i would be tempted to move him to lwb and put clark in at lcb

 

[Charlieblade]

baldock wasnt too bad even out of position but bogle was terrible and lowe wasnt much better baldock has to go back to rwb for the last 5 games and as well as robbo is playing i would be tempted to move him to lwb and put clark in at lcb

Me too.

 

[Charlieblade]

I think the Mr Angry narrative works in their favour. Hero performances. The crowd absolutely love it.

 

[Panini]

Akpom= 27 goals he's a striker doing well thats all I'm saying.

Yeah Akpom is doing well but what point are you making?

He's absolutely miles out in front of every player in the division this season.

Boro's second and third top scorers behind Akpom are Forss (very hot and cold) and Matt Crooks (!).

Boro have scored 15 more and conceded 15 more than us, but importantly they're 8+ points behind us. Akpom can get 50 for all I care, it's not getting them in the top two.

Our goals are more spread out. Boro are fucked if Akpom gets injured.

Sure it's nice to have the top scorer in your team but we don't, so what?

Mins per goal, McBurnie is only behind Morris (having the season of his life), Tella (should already be a PL player, only out of loan because Soton are a mess) and Akpom. He's just in front of Gyokeres, who many Blades would throw 20m at.

 

[derfblade.3]

I would bet Ollie Mac has headed more dangerous long balls out of our defense than any other forward in the division. Add those statistics to his goals and assists and he would probably be the most valuable player in the league.
Rock on Ollie!

 

[ancientblade]

i like the look of morris at luton and gyorkeres at coventry both could well be within our price range if we go up and get new investment akpom and archer are interesting as will maupay and gray at everton and dare i say it che adams just cant see mcburnie or brewster doing owt in the premier league one definete thing is we will need at least 2 new strikers to come in

 

[Cheesebored]

Add those statistics to his goals and assists and he would probably be the most valuable player in the league.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

If we get promoted and have serious intentions of staying in the PL, we need a serious goal threat in all games (other than Ndiaye), someone who will get to, or at least trouble double figures. Someone who is a little bit of everything; pacey, strong, good in the air, good at running channels, good engine, sharp finisher, high footballing IQ and is used to fighting for a chance. McBurnie isn't that player. If we are serious, then we're looking at someone like Nzola at Spezia (£9m) or possible Beto at Udinese (£30m), a slightly different type of player, but you'd also have a look at Dallinga at Toulouse.

 

[BLADES1988]

I saw the whole passage of play and failed to miss nothing. Can you name 1 single player that didn't make a mistake yesterday, just one??? I doubt that you can. I can forgive a player for making a mistake (you clearly cannot)

Berge redeemed himself by making the profession foul. There was instantly at least 2 players that ran up to him and congratulated his professional foul - perhaps they don't know as much as you when it comes to key moments. If Berge had not fouled the player and let him run through and score what would you have said then?

Absolutely loved Baldocks reaction that yellow card. He loved it. Hopefully he is getting in Sanders head he needs to be more ruthless.

 

[BLADES1988]

If we get promoted and have serious intentions of staying in the PL, we need a serious goal threat in all games (other than Ndiaye), someone who will get to, or at least trouble double figures. Someone who is a little bit of everything; pacey, strong, good in the air, good at running channels, good engine, sharp finisher, high footballing IQ and is used to fighting for a chance. McBurnie isn't that player. If we are serious, then we're looking at someone like Nzola at Spezia (£9m) or possible Beto at Udinese (£30m), a slightly different type of player, but you'd also have a look at Dallinga at Toulouse.

Bloody Forruners!

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Never used the adjective you've used. Certainly not criticised a player of a team who had just won a pivotal match 4-1.
Does anyone really believe that slagging off a player has a positive effect on the team?

There are still plenty who believe that the art of management is mainly about having tantrums, throwing things around & delivering bollockings so yes, these people do move amongst us.

My post basically said he was better when needed in defending areas than attacking.

I literally praised him for his contribution but said he wasn't as good in attacking. Not exactly moaning.

 

[Dougie]

In fairness those around me were screaming because he’d been easily knocked off the ball when in possession again when he’s twice their size, and then had to take the booking.
It wasn't for taking it.

With McBurnie, I still don’t think he gets the service he needs to score a lot of goals. If Doyle keeps delivering those early balls in as he did a couple of times yesterday, notably for the Robinson goal, McBurnies tally would increase but that’s not really been our style. McBurnie is doing fine within the way we play and if we go up, we’re going to have significantly less possession and are probably going to be looking for earlier balls in across goal.

Wasn’t it a poor pass rather than being knocked off the ball? Maybe I’ve misremembered, which would be surprising if the Cardiff lad was 3ft 2in - that would stick in your mind …