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Ŵithington Blade said:
In the context our of wage structure it would be an act of lunacy to pay £50k per week to someone who would be coming in as reserve left back. He’d be comfortably the best paid player in the squad and I’m not sure how you would explain that one away to the likes of Fleck, JOC, etc.
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How do you explain to fleck JOC that there comparitive players at southampton/brighton/newcastle etc etc.... are all on 10/20k more than them.

How would you explain to enda that he was one of the best Left-backs in the league last season and was paid the least


Im not saying we should have 100% signed him Robinson he might flop he might be a world beater.

But if were to stay in the prem we need to increase the budget on our wage structure i wonder what Egans new contract may be
 

FallowfieldBlade said:
How do you explain to fleck JOC that there comparitive players at southampton/brighton/newcastle etc etc.... are all on 10/20k more than them.

How would you explain to enda that he was one of the best Left-backs in the league last season and was paid the least


Im not saying we should have 100% signed him Robinson he might flop he might be a world beater.

But if were to stay in the prem we need to increase the budget on our wage structure i wonder what Egans new contract may be
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They wouldn’t have signed they’re contracts if they weren’t happy with the terms. And our wages, once you had the incentives in aren’t as shit as you think.
 
FallowfieldBlade said:
50k is not insane !! We are in the premier league the average wage of a player in the prem outside the top 6 will be around that mark
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So why are you offering it to a reserve left back that you’re signing from the Championship?
Our top earners are on 50k and our wage bill is based on our current revenues and outgoings.
Offering a promising but unproven kid 50k a week in our squad would be stupidity beyond words.
 
FallowfieldBlade said:
How do you explain to fleck JOC that there comparitive players at southampton/brighton/newcastle etc etc.... are all on 10/20k more than them.

How would you explain to enda that he was one of the best Left-backs in the league last season and was paid the least


Im not saying we should have 100% signed him Robinson he might flop he might be a world beater.

But if were to stay in the prem we need to increase the budget on our wage structure i wonder what Egans new contract may be
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I assume the likes of Fleck and Egan will be happy with their wage given they have recently signed a new contract. However, I’d imagine they would be pretty pissed off if a reserve left back with no premier league experience came in on a significantly better deal.
I agree that we will have to increase our wage structure but I presume this will be done in a more gradual and considered manner, more akin to Burnley than the kamikaze approach taken by Fulham a couple of years ago.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
So why are you offering it to a reserve left back that you’re signing from the Championship?
Our top earners are on 50k and our wage bill is based on our current revenues and outgoings.
Offering a promising but unproven kid 50k a week in our squad would be stupidity beyond words.
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It's not always wise to compare the wages so specifically with the current squad.

You pay the wages that you think the player is worth according to the budget at hand. The contracts that some of our current players may have signed 3-4 years ago were done with a completely different budget and wider footballing financial climate.
 
look this is pretty simple we are not going to pay 15m for a reserve RWB neither are we going to pay 45k a week to a 21 Yr old reserve LWB.

That money has to be reserved for guaranteed first team players at this stage. Im still very hopeful we will het st least one if not two "McBurnie/Berge" type signings where we go ' I didn't see us spending that kind of money' by the end of the window.

If we don't get one ofnthose I wil start to worry and I think its going to be Dennis.
 
BanderSerge said:
And a second wave of Covid-19 yet to come? Some of these idiot clubs who are thinking of paying £25m for Watkins or £12m for Cash for 2nd division players in these uncertain times are going to end up being badly burned. Leeds paying £30m for a 29 year old Spaniard is another one that springs to mind. Absolute madness.
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I’d like to think we have budgeted for very little or even no match day revenues this season. If that’s the case, I can’t see how Covid is going to impact on our finances this season.

There is no way the season will be cancelled or delayed again.
 
Barney said:
It's not always wise to compare the wages so specifically with the current squad.

You pay the wages that you think the player is worth according to the budget at hand. The contracts that some of our current players may have signed 3-4 years ago were done with a completely different budget and wider footballing financial climate.
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Suggestions that players don’t talk about wages or that it doesn’t affect the morale or create resentment and division are for the birds.
Of course it will and all it will create is established players continually knocking on the managers door.
We have a system of rewarding players who have performed and it means we get harmony as our wage bill grows in a controlled manner. I’m sure if we signed a top Premier League player on 75k a week there wouldn’t be a huge issue but the likes of JoC would want parity or they’ll want to leave.
If you bring in an unproven kid on 50k they’ll all want a new deal for more.
You’ll be dismantling the successful system we have.
 
Sam64 said:
I'd love to see how Cash performs with Villa, because personally I don't see him as a PL quality RB in a back 4. He's a PL quality wingback in a back 5 though.
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Dean Smith will have wingbacks and overlapping CB’s this season, but that formation is old hat now, we’re using Rammers as goalie wag and he’s overlapping the overlapping CB’s while Baldock goes in net
 
BanderSerge said:
He’s on £25,000 a week, but it’s still way too much for a bench warmer. and he’s nowhere near the best LB outside the premier league.
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What's your source on that. It seemed to be universally reported that the offer was 45-50k p/wk.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Suggestions that players don’t talk about wages or that it doesn’t affect the morale or create resentment and division are for the birds.
Of course it will and all it will create is established players continually knocking on the managers door.
We have a system of rewarding players who have performed and it means we get harmony as our wage bill grows in a controlled manner. I’m sure if we signed a top Premier League player on 75k a week there wouldn’t be a huge issue but the likes of JoC would want parity or they’ll want to leave.
If you bring in an unproven kid on 50k they’ll all want a new deal for more.
You’ll be dismantling the successful system we have.
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First you say someone on 75k wouldn't be an issue but 50k would, depending on whether the players think they are worth it.

Presumably you are not saying that the players all make up their own minds on the wages of new signings?

Surely if the squad is harmonious, which by all accounts it is, they will trust the managers assessment on what they believe a new player is worth instead of coming to their own conclusions and tearing the managers door down as a result. Wilder wouldn't stand for that.
 
Barney said:
First you say someone on 75k wouldn't be an issue but 50k would, depending on whether the players think they are worth it.

Presumably you are not saying that the players all make up their own minds on the wages of new signings?

Surely if the squad is harmonious, which by all accounts it is, they will trust the managers assessment on what they believe a new player is worth instead of coming to their own conclusions and tearing the managers door down as a result. Wilder wouldn't stand for that.
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I gave an example of someone who would be a huge step up that our players would look to match compared to someone who’s like Robinson has done fuck all to deserve parity.
I like what we’re doing and if that means we miss out on some promising but currently average players then so be it.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
I gave an example of someone who would be a huge step up that our players would look to match compared to someone who’s like Robinson has done fuck all to deserve parity.
I like what we’re doing and if that means we miss out on some promising but currently average players then so be it.
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The point is that it's the managers job to decide what wage packet a new signing is worth, and if the squad is together the players will trust whatever Wilder decides. If a player kicks up a stink because he's come to his own random conclusion that he doesn't think the new player deserves the money that Wilder has put him on, then Wilder would go bonkers and rightly so.
 
Barney said:
The point is that it's the managers job to decide what wage packet a new signing is worth, and if the squad is together the players will trust whatever Wilder decides. If a player kicks up a stink because he's come to his own random conclusion that he doesn't think the new player deserves the money that Wilder has put him on, then Wilder would go bonkers and rightly so.
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Do you not think Wilder decides right now what we offer in wages?
 

Blade56 said:
Dean Smith will have wingbacks and overlapping CB’s this season, but that formation is old hat now, we’re using Rammers as goalie wag and he’s overlapping the overlapping CB’s while Baldock goes in net
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I'll be using Nyland as goalie wag and he’s overlapping the overlapping CB’s while Elmohamedy goes in net.
 
Barney said:
Eh?
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We have a wage structure currently as I described, whereby players like Robinson wouldn’t ever be offered 40-50k/week unlike Fulham.
My question was do you not think that is by Wilders design?
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
We have a wage structure currently as I described, whereby players like Robinson wouldn’t ever be offered 40-50k/week unlike Fulham.
My question was do you not think that is by Wilders design?
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We're going to be putting players on higher wages than some we already have, that's a given to stay in the division. Which new player Wilder believes deserve to be on one of those contracts is up to him.
 
Barney said:
We're going to be putting players on higher wages than some we already have, that's a given to stay in the division. Which new player Wilder believes deserve to be on one of those contracts is up to him.
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Maybe, but I think it’s more likely JoC will be offered a new deal at the new level, and then that sets the new top level. Egan, Berge, Fleck will then be uplifted when their new deals are offered.
I think we’ll end up offering the same as everyone else in our part of the league, but we’re a couple of years away from it.
 
brownblade said:
Doherty signed a long term deal actually. I had to look it up a few days ago as was something very weird about his low transfer fee.

Doherty's agent is also Mourinho's agent AND Wolves personal super agent. Nothing dodgy though, I'm sure...
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Sorry you’re absolutely right expires in 2023...I looked up wiki and said contract expires in 2021. Eng int for £15m is a hell of a deal!!
 
So Fulham have passed on him at that price.
In other news apparently Burnley aren’t willing to spend more than £4M on a guy from Forest.

Maybe everyone else doesn’t have unlimited money to spend and it’s not just us being tight, it’s that some clubs are significantly over paying the market value to get deals done and we’re simply not able/prepared to.
 

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