Gone Elsewhere Martin Waghorn

[bonnet de douche]

Yes he fits into our current ethos ..hard worker ..had a good last 18 mo ths ...but 5 mill...ffs ..for 1.5 or 2 mill...fair enough ..we know what we are gettting ...but very worryingly if he is our top target ....understand the market ...so would rather pay loan money short term ...not just add to our experienced strikers ...we need young blood on loan

 

[Ricky]

I guess in those 5 all 5 would feel like they should be starting either based on last season or having been signed. Then it’s down to wilder to keep the egos in check I suppose.

Billy and Leon shouldered a lot of work last season and both looked knackered at stages in the season. I feel like 5 you cover yourself for injuries and suspensions.

5 definitely covers you. But if all 5 are fit, one likely misses out on the matchday squad. For example...

Henderson
Bash Egan JOC
Baldock Evans Fleck Stevens
Duffy
Gallagher Clarke

Subs: Moore, Leonard, Freeman, Lundstram, Woodburn, Armstrong, McGoldrick/Sharp

Left out: Wright, Stearman, Lafferty, Holmes, McGoldrick/Sharp


Not only the strikers, there could be some really good players missing out. And that's before Coutts is even back.

 

[FTPE]

I'd like McGoldrick but I'd like Gallagher and Armstrong too.

Is that too many though?

I've noticed you've mentioned Armsrong a while now. I cant place him to be honest, a quick wiki search shows a very good league 1 tally a couple of years ago but that's about it. He's only 21 and he's been to 3 or 4 different clubs on loan which can be unsetteling. Seeing the club's Newcastle have allowed him to go to he seems a very achievable target. Is he like the others we are linked with?
The only out and out line leader I can see so far is Gallagher, but reading your comments on him you seem confident of snapping him up too.
Would we be adding enough goal threat between Armstrong, Gallagher and Mcgoldrick?

 

[Bladeinleeds]

5 definitely covers you. But if all 5 are fit, one likely misses out on the matchday squad. For example...

Henderson
Bash Egan JOC
Baldock Evans Fleck Stevens
Duffy
Gallagher Clarke

Subs: Moore, Leonard, Freeman, Lundstram, Woodburn, Armstrong, McGoldrick/Sharp

Left out: Wright, Stearman, Lafferty, Holmes, McGoldrick/Sharp


Not only the strikers, there could be some really good players missing out. And that's before Coutts is even back.

True. Can’t belive its like 2 years since Martin Woolford was our game changing option from the bench. Good options to have though and you can see why so many have been allowed to go on loan

Maybe we go for the warnock keeper less bench. Though to be fair that would have cost us at least three times last season haha.

 

[bromtom]

True. Can’t belive its like 2 years since Martin Woolford was our game changing option from the bench. Good options to have though and you can see why so many have been allowed to go on loan

Maybe we go for the warnock keeper less bench. Though to be fair that would have cost us at least three times last season haha.

Bash can add another string to his bow.

I miss outfield players going in the net, it was always exciting.

Personally though I think if the attitude is right from the players there's no issue with leaving one striker out, and it's been right so far. Spur them on to get in the squad.

 

[Ricky]

I've noticed you've mentioned Armsrong a while now. I cant place him to be honest, a quick wiki search shows a very good league 1 tally a couple of years ago but that's about it. He's only 21 and he's been to 3 or 4 different clubs on loan which can be unsetteling. Seeing the club's Newcastle have allowed him to go to he seems a very achievable target. Is he like the others we are linked with?
The only out and out line leader I can see so far is Gallagher, but reading your comments on him you seem confident of snapping him up too.
Would we be adding enough goal threat between Armstrong, Gallagher and Mcgoldrick?

I think we'd have more than enough goal threat adding those 3 to Clarke and Sharp. They're all more than capable of double figures.

I've not seen us linked with Armstrong. I'm trying to find out if he's one we're in for.

The Sun have reported that he's available for £3m and a number of Championship clubs are interested. I'd be surprised if we're not one of them because he fits the profile we go for and we want at least 2 strikers.

He's only 21 and has played about 120 games in the last 3 seasons. So he's got an excellent fitness record. Whenever he's been in L1 he's been prolific. Did OK in the Championship for poor sides. Has plenty of development left in him.

He's a nippy, skillful type who has good goalscoring instincts and can also play in attacking midfield. I think this goal says a lot about him...

 

[Ernest]

Ive already mentioned in another post that I've enjoyed the last two years
Do keep up

Well last year you were shite and got humiliated on your own patch by a ‘pub team’.

Trot on piggy, you’re boring us all with your tripe.

 

[Bladezz]

The top target is Waghorn according to our press and the press down in Ipswich. There manager even concedes he may leave.

Amazing our fans say £5m too much for a player but then moan we don’t spend money?.

I’ve been saying this for ages we have hit our limit with our signings doing it on the cheap. Now we add some quality but quality costs. Other strikers who have performed at Waghorns level year after year are players like Assombalonga Who was £15m I believe.

 

[Prestonblade5]

The top target is Waghorn according to our press and the press down in Ipswich. There manager even concedes he may leave.

Amazing our fans say £5m too much for a player but then moan we don’t spend money?.

I’ve been saying this for ages we have hit our limit with our signings doing it on the cheap. Now we add some quality but quality costs. Other strikers who have performed at Waghorns level year after year are players like Assombalonga Who was £15m I believe.

Waghorn hasn’t performed at this level year after year that’s why people are sceptical about spending 5 million on him.

I actually think he would be a good signing.

 

[Bladezz]

Waghorn hasn’t performed at this level year after year that’s why people are sceptical about spending 5 million on him.

I actually think he would be a good signing.

But this is the modern market these days. Marriott is rumoured to be £6.5m with one season in league one. Players like Bamford go for £8m / Assombalonga £15m / Hogan last year £12m etc.

It’s expensive from where we have come from but we should be embracing it. The pigs spunked £9m on Rhodes paid him 50k a year and now he’s out on loan.

I think a bid of £5-6m is the very good business considering everything.

 

[Bladezz]

Waghorn hasn’t performed at this level year after year that’s why people are sceptical about spending 5 million on him.

I actually think he would be a good signing.

To be honest he has pretty much performed year on year.

Last season 16 goals
Season before 16 goals
Season before 28 goals

Where on earth are people saying he’s not been doing it every year when he clearly has!

 

[Dellas Cowboys]

To be honest he has pretty much performed year on year.

Last season 16 goals
Season before 16 goals
Season before 28 goals

Where on earth are people saying he’s not been doing it every year when he clearly has!

I always think he's one of those strikers who doesn't get the credit from everyone, like Billy. If he comes I'll take on the Bashar Al Asaba mantle.

 

[Revolution]

To be honest he has pretty much performed year on year.

Last season 16 goals
Season before 16 goals
Season before 28 goals

Where on earth are people saying he’s not been doing it every year when he clearly has!

Because in the two seasons before the last one he was playing for Rangers in a league where Conor Sammon is prolific. Plus you have him with 44 goals in those 2 years. Only 27 were league goals. 20 in the Scottish Championship and 7 in the SPL.

If we are looking for someone who is prolific at a lower level we should have gone for John Akinde.

 

[Bladezz]

Because in the two seasons before the last one he was playing for Rangers in a league where Conor Sammon is prolific. Plus you have him with 44 goals in those 2 years. Only 27 were league goals. 20 in the Scottish Championship and 7 in the SPL.

If we are looking for someone who is prolific at a lower level we should have gone for John Akinde.

Playing for Rangers in the league below is slightly different. That’s like saying Del Piero scoring in Serie B for Juventus doesn’t show much. MW has scored consistently for 3 seasons in a row.

People want us to look at Marriott who’s in the same boat.

But 16 goals and 11 assists in a struggling Ipswich side is all the stats you need. There his best and also most recent. Not what he was like when he was 23 etc.

 

[Revolution]

Playing for Rangers in the league below is slightly different. That’s like saying Del Piero scoring in Serie B for Juventus doesn’t show much. MW has scored consistently for 3 seasons in a row.

People want us to look at Marriott who’s in the same boat.

But 16 goals and 11 assists in a struggling Ipswich side is all the stats you need. There his best and also most recent. Not what he was like when he was 23 etc.

Del Piero had a bit of a better track record than Waghorn and 7 goals in a PL season in Scotland isn't that impressive, but whatever.

his record last season certainly makes him desirable. There is a concern however that Ipswich are selling high and that isn't his true talent level.

 

[Bladezz]

Del Piero had a bit of a better track record than Waghorn and 7 goals in a PL season in Scotland isn't that impressive, but whatever.

his record last season certainly makes him desirable. There is a concern however that Ipswich are selling high and that isn't his true talent level.

Ipswich are wanting high I agree. Now it’s down to our negotiations team.

 

[Weasel]

The top target is Waghorn according to our press and the press down in Ipswich. There manager even concedes he may leave.

Amazing our fans say £5m too much for a player but then moan we don’t spend money?.

I’ve been saying this for ages we have hit our limit with our signings doing it on the cheap. Now we add some quality but quality costs. Other strikers who have performed at Waghorns level year after year are players like Assombalonga Who was £15m I believe.

Well i will be happy enough if we do manage to broker a deal for Waghorn as he is a very good player who is now in his prime and will do the business here and now.

Not everything is about resale value. If we get 3 good years out of the lad then as a centre forward and the money they go for, he will still have been tremendous value at the figures quoted. Marriott looks good but is unproven for the championship, Waghorn has done it at this level.

I would go for Waghorn, but then a good while back when seemingly most people on here were getting obsessed about Hogan and Gallagher (before rumours of alledged problematic wages issues) I stated in the Gallagher thread that I personally would go for Waghorn, Armstrong from the Geordies as the young lad with potential, and Moore from the pit dwellers as the big lad up front (id have preferred Gallagher but if that deal was too prohibitive).

Wags would have been my number 1 choice, so pleased that we have been trying for him. Great minds me and Chris.

 

[Blade58]

The top target is Waghorn according to our press and the press down in Ipswich. There manager even concedes he may leave.

Amazing our fans say £5m too much for a player but then moan we don’t spend money?.

I’ve been saying this for ages we have hit our limit with our signings doing it on the cheap. Now we add some quality but quality costs. Other strikers who have performed at Waghorns level year after year are players like Assombalonga Who was £15m I believe.

I think there's some hesitancy there, because at 28, he's only performed like last season just the once. Fans would generally like to see us spend the money, but are looking for a cast iron guarantee. Unfortunately in football, there aren't any.

First to say, in CW I trust. However, it's strange this football malarky. He cost Ipswich £250k (I think) A year later, they are asking for multi zillions.

Clubs usually layout these vast sums when either an up and coming young star with lots of potential, or when consistently producing the goods. Just seems odd that Waghorn has took until now to reach his potential. I hope he isn't a one hit wonder. By that I mean I believe he's a decent player regardless, but he may not repeat his one season of excellence, so £5m (or more) not so sure?

It's very rare for our beloved club to go splashing the limited funds we have, I hope we don't do a Rhodes that's all and fans are desperate for CW to get it right

Just to repeat though, in CW I trust.

 

[Newbury Blade]

True. Can’t belive its like 2 years since Martin Woolford was our game changing option from the bench. Good options to have though and you can see why so many have been allowed to go on loan

Maybe we go for the warnock keeper less bench. Though to be fair that would have cost us at least three times last season haha.

Only if Jagielka comes back.

 

[Rodley]

He’d be a cracking signing along with Marriott

 

[davidblade]

Yes, absolutely magnificent

God I bet that hurt , piggy

 

[robbiez666]

I think there's some hesitancy there, because at 28, he's only performed like last season just the once. Fans would generally like to see us spend the money, but are looking for a cast iron guarantee. Unfortunately in football, there aren't any.

First to say, in CW I trust. However, it's strange this football malarky. He cost Ipswich £250k (I think) A year later, they are asking for multi zillions.

Clubs usually layout these vast sums when either an up and coming young star with lots of potential, or when consistently producing the goods. Just seems odd that Waghorn has took until now to reach his potential. I hope he isn't a one hit wonder. By that I mean I believe he's a decent player regardless, but he may not repeat his one season of excellence, so £5m (or more) not so sure?

It's very rare for our beloved club to go splashing the limited funds we have, I hope we don't do a Rhodes that's all and fans are desperate for CW to get it right

Just to repeat though, in CW I trust.

This pretty much sums up my concern with his as well. Regardless of what Wilder says, we would be paying over the odds at £5 million. I also think we'd be better off with a striker who adds more of a different option. He's scored at lower levels but only once decently at this level.

 

[Blade56]

He’d be a cracking signing along with Marriott

Don't think th budget will stretch to signing both, it's more likely one or the other plus a loan player

 

[Bladezz]

Well i will be happy enough if we do manage to broker a deal for Waghorn as he is a very good player who is now in his prime and will do the business here and now.

Not everything is about resale value. If we get 3 good years out of the lad then as a centre forward and the money they go for, he will still have been tremendous value at the figures quoted. Marriott looks good but is unproven for the championship, Waghorn has done it at this level.

I would go for Waghorn, but then a good while back when seemingly most people on here were getting obsessed about Hogan and Gallagher (before rumours of alledged problematic wages issues) I stated in the Gallagher thread that I personally would go for Waghorn, Armstrong from the Geordies as the young lad with potential, and Moore from the pit dwellers as the big lad up front (id have preferred Gallagher but if that deal was too prohibitive).

Wags would have been my number 1 choice, so pleased that we have been trying for him. Great minds me and Chris.

That’s the thing though resale value for these players is still very high. Rumours of a £5million bid for Clarke prompted us to offer a new contract. But I understand your point.

Agree with all the above bar Armstrong I just don’t think he’s at our level. Think he’s League one or a Rotherham / wigan standard etc.

 

[Bladezz]

I think there's some hesitancy there, because at 28, he's only performed like last season just the once. Fans would generally like to see us spend the money, but are looking for a cast iron guarantee. Unfortunately in football, there aren't any.

First to say, in CW I trust. However, it's strange this football malarky. He cost Ipswich £250k (I think) A year later, they are asking for multi zillions.

Clubs usually layout these vast sums when either an up and coming young star with lots of potential, or when consistently producing the goods. Just seems odd that Waghorn has took until now to reach his potential. I hope he isn't a one hit wonder. By that I mean I believe he's a decent player regardless, but he may not repeat his one season of excellence, so £5m (or more) not so sure?

It's very rare for our beloved club to go splashing the limited funds we have, I hope we don't do a Rhodes that's all and fans are desperate for CW to get it right

Just to repeat though, in CW I trust.

But I think your points reflect into the price of paying £5million. If he was 100% guaranteed to do this year on year he would be £10million.

Hence now why we are in negotiations to bring it down. £5million for a player in this division is now nothing. Boro spending millions last season and this season etc. Forrest just paid £5-6m for Grabban who’s even older than Waghorn. It’s just the market today.

When you say he’s only performed like it once his last 3 seasons he’s scored 60 goals. Yes the level in Scotland is different but before that he did well at Wigan. They got him on cheap due to Rangers financial issues.

 

[Blade58]

But I think your points reflect into the price of paying £5million. If he was 100% guaranteed to do this year on year he would be £10million.

Hence now why we are in negotiations to bring it down. £5million for a player in this division is now nothing. Boro spending millions last season and this season etc. Forrest just paid £5-6m for Grabban who’s even older than Waghorn. It’s just the market today.

When you say he’s only performed like it once his last 3 seasons he’s scored 60 goals. Yes the level in Scotland is different but before that he did well at Wigan. They got him on cheap due to Rangers financial issues.

Valid points Bladezz. The reasons I give are not necessarily right/valid, but more pointing out why there are reservations by some

Not sure where your stats come from mind? I make that 63 in 7 years?

2010–2014 Leicester City 59 (8)
2011 → Hull City (loan) 5 (1)
2013 → Millwall (loan) 14 (3)
2014 → Wigan Athletic (loan) 9 (3)
2014–2015 Wigan Athletic 29 (5)
2015–2017 Rangers 57 (27)
2017– Ipswich Town 44 (16

 

[Rodley]

Don't think th budget will stretch to signing both, it's more likely one or the other plus a loan player

Agree. Those two and Gallagher are the pick for me.

 

[Bladezz]

Valid points Bladezz. The reasons I give are not necessarily right/valid, but more pointing out why there are reservations by some

Not sure where your stats come from mind? I make that 63 in 7 years?

2010–2014 Leicester City 59 (8)
2011 → Hull City (loan) 5 (1)
2013 → Millwall (loan) 14 (3)
2014 → Wigan Athletic (loan) 9 (3)
2014–2015 Wigan Athletic 29 (5)
2015–2017 Rangers 57 (27)
2017– Ipswich Town 44 (16

It’s just Martyn Waghorn on soccerbase and then click on which hear you want to be on.

09/10 season he scored 12 in the championship for Leicester etc.

 

[grafikhaus]

I've just got a gut feeling that we're still in for Waghorn and wouldn't be surprised if he lined up for us in a couple of weeks time.

CW is no mug and, if he doesn't come here, so what? We're not talking Neymar here. This is probably his (and his agents) last chance for a game-changing career move (just ask Leon). But if he doesn't come, Chris has still got £5m plus wages in his war chest, the clock is ticking for players to get moved on and there's poker games being played by clubs wanting to shuffle their pack. Noticed how many of Wednesday's dead wood haven't been shifted off the payroll?

With that in mind, what about moving for Lucas Jaoa from the pigs? Sure they'll claim - like all their players - that he's worth £30m but they're delusional. A move to BDTBL would be a step up. No relocation expenses, a club with ambition and playing in a great stadium in front of bigger crowds than the pigs.

 

[Pinchy]

It Feels right to me... Especially given the squad trimming Lacey will be out on loan soon I suspect.

Never rated Lacey anyway. Experienced but legs have gone.