Gone Elsewhere Martin Waghorn

[blackydog]

I’m tempting Fire and Fury here but we may get to a stage, if we’re not scrupulously careful, where we have to give some credit to the owners.

Have to say with the squabbling going on I didn't expect this kind of transfer activity, pleasantly surprised.

 

[davidblade]

Who do you suggest pal?

I’d rather take a gamble on Marcus Maddison

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

I’d rather take a gamble on Marcus Maddison

Not a striker though, we need out and out strikers.

 

[Maidenhead]

I hope this one fall through , we can do better for that sort of money

In that case you'd better offer your services to CW as a transfer market specialist.

He'll bite your hand off if you can back up that statement with actions.

 

[sheffielder]

I’d rather take a gamble on Marcus Maddison

main problem with this sentence is the word 'gamble'

 

[Maidenhead]

I wouldn't brag about the amount of likes you have there mate. I've had single posts that have had more likes than you.

I can beat that. I’ve even had more insults than the pig!

That's nothing.

I've had a whole thread dedicated to calling me a wanker!

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

That's nothing.

I've had a whole thread dedicated to calling me a wanker!

Wanker.

 

[DronnieBlade]

I just can’t get my head round the numbers on this one. It don’t add up.

Added to which is the fact, with him being in the last year of the Ipswich contract, that he would be free next summer and, with this in mind and assuming he won’t be staying in Norfolk, surely available in January for a fraction of the £5m muted. £1m would do it.

UTB

 

[Blade58]

I just can’t get my head round the numbers on this one. It don’t add up.

Added to which is the fact, with him being in the last year of the Ipswich contract, that he would be free next summer and, with this in mind and assuming he won’t be staying in Norfolk, surely available in January for a fraction of the £5m muted. £1m would do it.

UTB

Ipswich have an optional 12 month contract extension on him so I understand

 

[itsinyerblood]

I just can’t get my head round the numbers on this one. It don’t add up.

Added to which is the fact, with him being in the last year of the Ipswich contract, that he would be free next summer and, with this in mind and assuming he won’t be staying in Norfolk, surely available in January for a fraction of the £5m muted. £1m would do it.

UTB

If this were the case, then presumably a pre-signing agreement is possible? It secures the player's signature and ensures we don't part with silly money.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

If this were the case, then presumably a pre-signing agreement is possible? It secures the player's signature and ensures we don't part with silly money.

Ipswich can trigger a 12 month extension.

 

[Ricky]

You can't sign players on pre contract agreements from other English clubs anyway.

 

[sheffielder]

That's nothing.

I've had a whole thread dedicated to calling me a wanker!

You do know someone is now searching for that thread to resurrect. If Leroy Lita can make a comeback!

 

[RMBlade]

You can't sign players on pre contract agreements from other English clubs anyway.

You can, 1 month before the end of their contracts rather than 6 months from foreign leagues.

 

[Ernest]

If this were the case, then presumably a pre-signing agreement is possible? It secures the player's signature and ensures we don't part with silly money.

That’s not possible until the latter end of a players’ contract and by then the season will already be over. If he was based outside of England then you could approach him as of January.

 

[Dec]

And some people insist on over complicating it. Give me just 10 of these 'literally hundreds' of factors. Ideally including one silly old me won't be aware of.

OK perhaps I exaggerated with the "literally hundreds" but a lot will go into these decisions. We aren't using a scatter gun approach where we pluck names out of thin air. Wilder said as much in a recent interview. It's a considered process.

Age
Wage demands
Transfer fee
Primary position
Other positions capable of playing
Current finess level
Past injury record
Off the ball work rate
Work rate in training
Championship experience
Willingness to move to / commute to Sheffield
Leadership qualities
Likelihood of settling into group
Understanding of certain formations
Previous clubs
Previous managers worked under
Friendships within group
Loyalty
Set piece ability
Maturity
Desire to learn and improve
Like a drink?
Left foot? Right foot? Both?
Pace
Technical ability
Height
Physicality
Likelihood to score
Likelihood to create
Has the player challenged for promotion
Stamina and endurance
On pitch discipline
Positional awareness
Communication skills
Ambition
Confidence

Those are off the top of my head and I'm just guessing but I'm sure there'll be much more being considered too by professionals such as Paul Mitchell. Some factors (wage demands, transfer fee) will obviously have much more weight than others.

 

[Fanny magnet]

I hope he doesn't sign ,haven't seen him since rangers but the best way to describe him in those days was average

He must have Improved immeasurably to be worth the kind of fees being bandied about

 

[FTPE]

I hope he doesn't sign ,haven't seen him since rangers but the best way to describe him in those days was average

He must have Improved immeasurably to be worth the kind of fees being bandied about

I've just been on Twitter and the Scottish fans are in hysterics at the thought of him being worth 5mil let alone 7 or 8.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I think he’ll move from Ipswich. Likelihood is, one of the club’s with decent budgets will take him for around £6.5m. We may be in with a shot towards the end of the window if we’ve sold somebody and Waghorn rocks the boat (though not sure why he would do this for us, can’t imagine we can pay much more than Ipswich).

 

[Pinchy]

I hope he doesn't sign ,haven't seen him since rangers but the best way to describe him in those days was average

He must have Improved immeasurably to be worth the kind of fees being bandied about

I’d be inclined to agree but those stats from last season (yes, only one I know) caused me to think again. I wasn’t aware of them. Direct involvement in 27 goals and at less than dynamic Ipswich Town. £5m is still too high but we don’t know how accurate that is and whether and how much is contingent on unlikely events such as playing for England (unlikely, he’s not that bad) Who knows? We shall see. That’s the fascination of Jim White Week!

 

[Pinchy]

I think he’ll move from Ipswich. Likelihood is, one of the club’s with decent budgets will take him for around £6.5m. We may be in with a shot towards the end of the window if we’ve sold somebody and Waghorn rocks the boat (though not sure why he would do this for us, can’t imagine we can pay much more than Ipswich).

Did you think we’d spend millions on Egan? Together with the fact it’s now obvious millions more are available to Tufty its rather churlish not to acknowledge it is a decent budget, isn’t it?

 

[Steve Mackan]

I’d be inclined to agree but those stats from last season (yes, only one I know) caused me to think again. I wasn’t aware of them. Direct involvement in 27 goals and at less than dynamic Ipswich Town. £5m is still too high but we don’t know how accurate that is and whether and how much is contingent on unlikely events such as playing for England (unlikely, he’s not that bad) Who knows? We shall see. That’s the fascination of Jim White Week!

A lot of the goals he was 'involved' in were set pieces (think 6 of 11 assists). An area we need to improve massively, surely a big reason for the interest?

 

[Ricky]

OK perhaps I exaggerated with the "literally hundreds" but a lot will go into these decisions. We aren't using a scatter gun approach where we pluck names out of thin air. Wilder said as much in a recent interview. It's a considered process.

Age
Wage demands
Transfer fee
Primary position
Other positions capable of playing
Current finess level
Past injury record
Off the ball work rate
Work rate in training
Championship experience
Willingness to move to / commute to Sheffield
Leadership qualities
Likelihood of settling into group
Understanding of certain formations
Previous clubs
Previous managers worked under
Friendships within group
Loyalty
Set piece ability
Maturity
Desire to learn and improve
Like a drink?
Left foot? Right foot? Both?
Pace
Technical ability
Height
Physicality
Likelihood to score
Likelihood to create
Has the player challenged for promotion
Stamina and endurance
On pitch discipline
Positional awareness
Communication skills
Ambition
Confidence

Those are off the top of my head and I'm just guessing but I'm sure there'll be much more being considered too by professionals such as Paul Mitchell. Some factors (wage demands, transfer fee) will obviously have much more weight than others.

Fair play for making the list but I can't say any of those are outside of my awareness and a lot could be categorised under ability and character, as well as others like fitness, circumstances and general info/stats. If you were going to list every sub category you probably could go over 100.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Did you think we’d spend millions on Egan? Together with the fact it’s now obvious millions more are available to Tufty its rather churlish not to acknowledge it is a decent budget, isn’t it?

My definition of “decent” is relative to the other clubs’ budgets in the division (the relegated 3, Leeds, Derby, Forest, Middlesbrough etc. all seemingly have much more to spend than ourselves). With that in mind, I would find it hard to classify classify our budget as “decent” as it falls probably more in the mid-to-lower range of the Division from what I have seen in the Court Documents.

Kind Regards,

Churlish McGee

 

[Dec]

Fair play for making the list but I can't say any of those are outside of my awareness and a lot could be categorised under ability and character, as well as others like fitness, circumstances and general info/stats. If you were going to list every sub category you probably could go over 100.

And it's some of these unknown factors that make it hard for me to see how you can judge signings or non-signings so harshly. Wilder (and team) will have done the necessary background checks to narrow down and decide on targets. And also when to move on from targets if they're not value for money or they're just financially impossible.

I hope you're right on still going for Gallagher on loan as well as Waghorn permanently.

Below would be some strike force with a lot of different options.

Clarke
Sharp
Waghorn
Gallagher
McGoldrick

Do you know if Gallagher has some real pace? Not seen much of him myself but you seem to have.

 

[Maidenhead]

My definition of “decent” is relative to the other clubs’ budgets in the division (the relegated 3, Leeds, Derby, Forest, Middlesbrough etc. all seemingly have much more to spend than ourselves). With that in mind, I would find it hard to classify classify our budget as “decent” as it falls probably more in the mid-to-lower range of the Division from what I have seen in the Court Documents.

Kind Regards,

Churlish McGee

I don't know what you think the budget at Leeds is but my Leeds supporting mate seems to think that they are losing players for fun and have no money to replace them.

Pontus Yannson expected to be next out of the door and he's jealous as fcuk that we have Egan and they have a keeper we didn't want.

 

[Ricky]

And it's some of these unknown factors that make it hard for me to see how you can judge signings or non-signings so harshly. Wilder (and team) will have done the necessary background checks to narrow down and decide on targets. And also when to move on from targets if they're not value for money or they're just financially impossible.

I hope you're right on still going for Gallagher on loan as well as Waghorn permanently.

Below would be some strike force with a lot of different options.

Clarke
Sharp
Waghorn
Gallagher
McGoldrick

Do you know if Gallagher has some real pace? Not seen much of him myself but you seem to have.

You can't know everything but it's possible to make a general judgement about certain factors. I've said I believe Waghorn would suit us well, it's just the cost that I'd have serious questions about.

I'd say Gallagher is mobile. Pretty quick for a big man. Has good agility and positional flexibility.

 

[bromtom]

You can't just look at other teams budgets in terms of money, you have to factor in the success it brings surely? It's an equation.

Leeds, Derby, Villa, Brum, Wednesday, Forest spending money but they've got fuck all to show for it. We finished comfortably above Leeds, Wednesday, Brum and Forest and only 6 points behind Derby last season with a maximum transfer of ~£1million and players from the lower leagues.

Spend smart not big.

I think a lot of teams spend money to make up for a lack of staff talent. We have talented staff.

 

[FriethBlade]

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Did you think we’d spend millions on Egan? Together with the fact it’s now obvious millions more are available to Tufty its rather churlish not to acknowledge it is a decent budget, isn’t it?

Pinchy, depends how you look at it really doesn't it?.

Did i think we'd spend 4m on Egan ? No. Did I think we'd bid 5m for a striker ? No.

However as it stands, as usual, we have raised more in fees than we have spent...currently by 8m...so even if we spend 5m on a striker we are still 3m to the good.

 

[itsinyerblood]

You can't just look at other teams budgets in terms of money, you have to factor in the success it brings surely? It's an equation.

Leeds, Derby, Villa, Brum, Wednesday, Forest spending money but they've got fuck all to show for it. We finished comfortably above Leeds, Wednesday, Brum and Forest and only 6 points behind Derby last season with a maximum transfer of ~£1million and players from the lower leagues.

Spend smart not big.

I think a lot of teams spend money to make up for a lack of staff talent. We have talented staff.

Completely right tom. Just as decision making on the pitch has to be good, so does the decision making from a club's management need to be equally as good.

In the past we've bought poorly, money has been wasted on mediocre players, and I hate to say it but it's something we became used to. All of that has changed now. We may have still shopped at the cheaper end of the market, but boy, what an eye for a decent player our management team has. Of course, not every decision has excited, but these have been few compared to our past record. Now that we seem to have spent a few million (on Egan) the ripples of astonishment from some Blades says all that needs to be said about the club's previous approach to transfers. I hope this isn't the last we see of a more adventurous transfer policy. I'm not expecting us to spend tens of millions, but it's nice to know that we no longer stand by and watch as one target after another is snapped up by other clubs. Well done Chris and his team, and well done the board for making this possible.