Long's new deal 'almost wrapped up'

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Esablade said:
...only Blades could be slagging off retaining young talent at the club...

Hope Long signs and that we get some decent competition in for him...an experienced keeper who preferably isn't going blind...

P.S- can't really comment on Ramsdsle, seeing only bits, but I'd guess he's not quite ready as yet..?
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Yes, young "talent" like Ironside, Chappell, Khan, McFadzean, Whitehouse, Kennedy, De Juve. What a team we could have had, eh? You only have to look at the great things they've gone on to achieve.

Sorry Bladey Blades, here's the tough one - Little Louis ain't gonna make it either.

Still, you carry on with the wishful thinking and watching the X-Factor and the Bladey Boyband young tyros will all become world-beaters. Well, okay, Conference North beaters...maybe...one day.
 



Pinchy said:
Yes, young "talent" like Ironside, Chappell, Khan, McFadzean, Whitehouse, Kennedy, De Juve. What a team we could have had, eh? You only have to look at the great things they've gone on to achieve.

Sorry Bladey Blades, here's the tough one - Little Louis ain't gonna make it either.

Still, you carry on with the wishful thinking and watching the X-Factor and the Bladey Boyband young tyros will all become world-beaters. Well, okay, Conference North beaters...maybe...one day.
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You are right about Reed and I hope Wilder has pointed out to McCabe we do not have any youngsters capable of making an impact next season. Our owner's faith in the academy is just another example of how much out of touch he is.
 
Long nude eels 'almost wrapped up'.

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chipsncake said:
You are right about Reed and I hope Wilder has pointed out to McCabe we do not have any youngsters capable of making an impact next season. Our owner's faith in the academy is just another example of how much out of touch he is.
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I haven't formed a view on DC-L or Whiteman yet but they seem a fair way from commanding a starting berth? Not a lot else is there? I hear the u-18s have some potential and I really hope a few fulfil it, but they won't be up to taking on the hardened pros in this league any time soon.
 
chipsncake said:
we do not have any youngsters capable of making an impact next season.
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Why not release them all? Shut down the Academy? Save £'s on that and flog Shirecliffe to the next property developer.
Then when all that's done, we can become the Retirement Home for The One Last Pay Day Pro.
I think you've nailed it.

What age shall we go with? Under 21s, Under18s.

I've got Tel from SMW on the phone......
 
LYDON said:
Why not release them all? Shut down the Academy? Save £'s on that and flog Shirecliffe to the next property developer.
Then when all that's done, we can become the Retirement Home for The One Last Pay Day Pro.
I think you've nailed it.

What age shall we go with? Under 21s, Under18s.

I've got Tel from SMW on the phone......
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What if we did close it? So what?

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LYDON said:
It'll be like scenes from Cocoon.
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Or exactly the same as we have now, with the funding invested in talent from elsewhere and without having to pretend that Louis Reed and DCL are going to assist in a realistic promotion challenge.

UTB
 
LYDON said:
Why not release them all? Shut down the Academy? Save £'s on that and flog Shirecliffe to the next property developer.
Then when all that's done, we can become the Retirement Home for The One Last Pay Day Pro.
I think you've nailed it.

What age shall we go with? Under 21s, Under18s.

I've got Tel from SMW on the phone......
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No I'm not having that. Not a bit of it. They have to play. Lots of them. All of them. First team regulars. They have to be. Good, bad, indifferent, fucking shite. Who cares? They're young.

Givemarun!!

Givemallarun!!!!!
 
Many on here are right to question the ability of youth players. All of them will be decent in their respective age groups, but to make it as a pro you have to stand out as head and shoulders ahead of the rest.
Our youth team have shown they can win games.....but I fear more from organisation and good management rather than having several stars at the age group.

I doubt we have several players significantly better than say Barnsley....or Leeds....or Huddersfield!

However, the only way these lads will improve is through regularly playing against quality. Can they improve technically, can they deal with the better quality opposition, can they improve decision making? And lads coasting through youth football will hit the wall and get no better if they aren't pushed. So our kids simply have to be given the chance to see how they fair, see if they can go up a notch with the misters game. Train with the first team, and compete for the odd 15/20 mins when games allow.

And this makes all the difference for Long in particular. He is in the toughest position on the field, every little mistake he makes can potentially cost a goal. No other position can claim that as they always have someone else behind them to potentially save their skin.
So the pressure is on from that, plus the pressure of 18k analysing every move....plus the pressure he himself will put on himself as a pro sportsman!

So get off the kids back. He has all the ability and skills necessary to be a good keeper. He needs nurturing, patience and encouragement to meet his potential. Not grief and pressure and certainly not dogs abuse from the stands.
 
alcoblade said:
Or exactly the same as we have now, with the finding invested in talent fro elsewhere and without having to pretend that Louis Reed and DCL are going to assist in a realistic promotion challenge.

UTB
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We, you, I, everyone doesn't know what we'll have to look forward to this next season.
If we are to trust the manager in one situation, recruitment, should we then also give him the trust
on what we have available from the Academy?

King Kev intimated that there's no "BIG WAGES" anymore.
Seems to me like we'll be using what we can from the Academy, not a bad Academy when we look at which club
wanted Nick Cox. Unless MUFC are happy to appoint just anyone into their foundations?

We may not like it, but it's at this moment in time where our Academy players are closer to the first XI than ever before and the Academy coaches/managers are under the most pressure they've felt since.....
 
LYDON said:
We, you, I, everyone doesn't know what we'll have to look forward to this next season.
If we are to trust the manager in one situation, recruitment, should we then also give him the trust
on what we have available from the Academy?

King Kev intimated that there's no "BIG WAGES" anymore.
Seems to me like we'll be using what we can from the Academy, not a bad Academy when we look at which club
wanted Nick Cox. Unless MUFC are happy to appoint just anyone into their foundations?

We may not like it, but it's at this moment in time where our Academy players are closer to the first XI than ever before and the Academy coaches/managers are under the most pressure they've felt since.....
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The measure of the academy is not Nick Cox or thge preformance of the u21s, but in the players you'd like to see playing for us now. A decade of produce wouldn't fill our third division first team, despite swallowing huge resource every season.


The current crop are near to the first team because we are shite and skint, not because they are what we need. .

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Pinchy said:
Yes, young "talent" like Ironside, Chappell, Khan, McFadzean, Whitehouse, Kennedy, De Juve. What a team we could have had, eh? You only have to look at the great things they've gone on to achieve.

Sorry Bladey Blades, here's the tough one - Little Louis ain't gonna make it either.

Still, you carry on with the wishful thinking and watching the X-Factor and the Bladey Boyband young tyros will all become world-beaters. Well, okay, Conference North beaters...maybe...one day.
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Do you think Long 'isn't going to make it'?
 
alcoblade said:
I don't think anyone is slagging off signing up young talent, more questioning if this really qualifies as "young talent".

He's okay, and improving. He's not a promotion chasing keeper, but in our aim to find one we'd no doubt squander half a million quid and re sign Steve Sommonson, so overall I don't care too much either way about this one.

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Yep, he's OK and improving and I'd say he's young for a keeper.
At the moment, he's a decent L1 keeper and hopefully he'll progress to be one of the best L1 keepers next season.

UTB!
 
alcoblade said:
Us and all the other clubs who already do / can't afford vanity projects?

UTB
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Is it a vanity project?
I'm not so sure Kev/Prince think so.
They're the funding parties, I think if that's what they thought,
they would have the Academy closed, locked and up for sale in an instant.
It's bad enough funding the club for every individual bill, why not cut the losses
and shut it down?

I'd keep a close eye on what's happening at Ilkeston FC and their Academy.
There may not be a conveyor belt of Che Adams heading this way, but it's also
another area of building SUFC with minimal outlay.

Whatever happens, hopefully Wilder & Knill aren't Fairclough & Langton.
 
Esablade said:
Do you think Long 'isn't going to make it'?
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He may. He has the physical attributes. At the moment, however, he has simply improved from atrocious to poor. We need someone a good deal better for next season.

Would you put up with the standard of keeping we see from Calamity George if you were not a Bladey Blade?
 
LYDON said:
Is it a vanity project?
I'm not so sure Kev/Prince think so.
They're the funding parties, I think if that's what they thought,
they would have the Academy closed, locked and up for sale in an instant.
It's bad enough funding the club for every individual bill, why not cut the losses
and shut it down?

I'd keep a close eye on what's happening at Ilkeston FC and their Academy.
There may not be a conveyor belt of Che Adams heading this way, but it's also
another area of building SUFC with minimal outlay.

Whatever happens, hopefully Wilder & Knill aren't Fairclough & Langton.
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It isn't remotely minimal outlay, and I'd rather use the funds to find the Che adams and Jamie Murphys rather than wait to see if Louis Reed grows another foot or DCL wasn't really fathered by Bambi.

UTB
 
When Clough took over, one of the first things he did was drop Long, who was having a bad patch, and replace him with Howard, who was on form at that time. You could see a transformation in the confidence of the defence, particularly in Maguire. No more suicidal back passes and fewer goalmouth scrambles from set pieces. We then started to turn things around. A top keeper for the league you're in makes such a difference. A crap midfielder, say, you can get away with to some extent but not a crap keeper.

I think George is worth keeping, but he has his faults which have been well covered in this thread, particularly his fragile confidence. We need to buy in a experienced option in case George get an injury or suffers a loss in form. We cannot afford to risk using young academy players such as Ramsdale as backup.
 
alcoblade said:
It isn't remotely minimal outlay, and I'd rather use the funds to find the Che adams and Jamie Murphys rather than wait to see if Louis Reed grows another foot or DCL wasn't really fathered by Bambi.

UTB
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You'll not be the only one.
But alas, the only one's may think they know the best way forward, after all, didn't Kev/Prince
"listen" to what the fans wanted in appointing Wilder? Will they sway the owners to take note
of what to do with the Academy?

If it's cheaper to maintain the Academy rather than invest in transfers, and minimal success is finishing one place higher than last season and the project now is a gradual rebuilding at minimal expenditure. The Academy is going nowhere.
 



Pinchy said:
He may. He has the physical attributes. At the moment, however, he has simply improved from atrocious to poor. We need someone a good deal better for next season.

Would you put up with the standard of keeping we see from Calamity George if you were not a Bladey Blade?
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Agree - poor sums him up. For the 55 years I've been trudging along, we've never been any good without a decent keeper and we certainly don't have that now.
 
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