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He may. He has the physical attributes. At the moment, however, he has simply improved from atrocious to poor. We need someone a good deal better for next season.

Would you put up with the standard of keeping we see from Calamity George if you were not a Bladey Blade?

IMO he's not as bad as you're making out..yes, he's looked shaky at times but then other games he's kept us in it and has kept a fair few clean sheets in a poor defence.

Every L1 keeper has a clanger in em, look at 'one of the best', Tommy Lee at Chessy v us this season.

Whether I'm a Bladey-Blade or not, I'd keep George but try and get an older, more experienced keeper in so they can battle it out over the no.1 spot...

P.S- pretty much all the remaining players need to raise their game under Wilder.
 



Is it a vanity project?
I'm not so sure Kev/Prince think so.
They're the funding parties, I think if that's what they thought,
they would have the Academy closed, locked and up for sale in an instant.
It's bad enough funding the club for every individual bill, why not cut the losses
and shut it down?

I'd keep a close eye on what's happening at Ilkeston FC and their Academy.
There may not be a conveyor belt of Che Adams heading this way, but it's also
another area of building SUFC with minimal outlay.

Whatever happens, hopefully Wilder & Knill aren't Fairclough & Langton.
What a sight that would be, Rita and Deirdre (rest her soul) down the Lane!
 
Many on here are right to question the ability of youth players. All of them will be decent in their respective age groups, but to make it as a pro you have to stand out as head and shoulders ahead of the rest.
Our youth team have shown they can win games.....but I fear more from organisation and good management rather than having several stars at the age group.

I doubt we have several players significantly better than say Barnsley....or Leeds....or Huddersfield!

However, the only way these lads will improve is through regularly playing against quality. Can they improve technically, can they deal with the better quality opposition, can they improve decision making? And lads coasting through youth football will hit the wall and get no better if they aren't pushed. So our kids simply have to be given the chance to see how they fair, see if they can go up a notch with the misters game. Train with the first team, and compete for the odd 15/20 mins when games allow.

And this makes all the difference for Long in particular. He is in the toughest position on the field, every little mistake he makes can potentially cost a goal. No other position can claim that as they always have someone else behind them to potentially save their skin.
So the pressure is on from that, plus the pressure of 18k analysing every move....plus the pressure he himself will put on himself as a pro sportsman!

So get off the kids back. He has all the ability and skills necessary to be a good keeper. He needs nurturing, patience and encouragement to meet his potential. Not grief and pressure and certainly not dogs abuse from the stands.
I agree with all you have said except the first point.

How can you say the Under 18s have had good results but fear its from good management.

Good management and tactics can only win games if you have the players to carry these tactics out. I dont know how many U18/21s games you have watched this season but Semple and Gilmour are now starting to stand out at U21 and still only 17 years old. They are both just finishing their first year of being a scholar.... At any Pro Club they would be classed with real potential.

Either of these two players would walk into Barnsley, Leeds or the Udders and many many more sides. You have Ramsdale who is an England U18 and Semple on the radar of a Scotland U19 call up.

What do the U18s and 21s need to do in terms of results to get a little bit of credit.

i fully agree that first team training and the odd 15 mins in first team games is the way to go for young talent.
 
I agree with all you have said except the first point.

How can you say the Under 18s have had good results but fear its from good management.

Good management and tactics can only win games if you have the players to carry these tactics out. I dont know how many U18/21s games you have watched this season but Semple and Gilmour are now starting to stand out at U21 and still only 17 years old. They are both just finishing their first year of being a scholar.... At any Pro Club they would be classed with real potential.

Either of these two players would walk into Barnsley, Leeds or the Udders and many many more sides. You have Ramsdale who is an England U18 and Semple on the radar of a Scotland U19 call up.

What do the U18s and 21s need to do in terms of results to get a little bit of credit.

i fully agree that first team training and the odd 15 mins in first team games is the way to go for young talent.


No problem, I will explain my rationale.
I gain my opinion from my son being in the academy set up at another club, and him having been part of the youth team and reserves/development team for a couple of games recently. He is 15 and to be fair got the chance due to injuries etc rather than being a superstar! (Unfortunately)

However....very little time is given to match tactics and game management, something I feel is lacking. Any side that is more professional in their preparation for matches will have success at winning games. I know a lad at United and can confirm the coaches at United are very good and have the lads well prepared....I only wish (as does he) that my son was at United too to gain from this!
I have also watched youth games on Bladesplayer and seen how other sides have appeared to have players that seem technically better and more skilful, whereas we have a set pattern of play that is effective at creating problems for inexperienced opponents...we seem quite direct.
This is not a dig at any of the youth players, because that is real life in the game. And this is why I think Uniteds preparations have been better and more professional rather than relying on the skill and brilliance of individuals to win.

I'm more for making players skilful and technically the best they can be and letting them learn more tactics and how to win games when they are in the first team. We need stars and standout performers going into the first team, not lads who can do a job and know systems and roles well.

On the other hand Its good to hear we have some young scholars making steps ahead of their years. Those who do this will learn faster and stand a chance of getting a pro deal. But this too could also be in keeping with their physical development. At these ages there can be a huge gap in the physical development of lads and can say this from personal experience.
At 15 my lad has played against some kids that have beards, and clearly far more developed in build and weight as well as physical power and pace, these lads stand out for the reason they can bully opponents....but when others catch up this advantage is ruled.
Again....not slating these boys just having a reasoned view based on my experiences so far.
 
Put simply if hes not taking the piss with his demands then sign him back up.

If another keeper becomes available that is better than him then sign him too.
 
No problem, I will explain my rationale.
I gain my opinion from my son being in the academy set up at another club, and him having been part of the youth team and reserves/development team for a couple of games recently. He is 15 and to be fair got the chance due to injuries etc rather than being a superstar! (Unfortunately)

However....very little time is given to match tactics and game management, something I feel is lacking. Any side that is more professional in their preparation for matches will have success at winning games. I know a lad at United and can confirm the coaches at United are very good and have the lads well prepared....I only wish (as does he) that my son was at United too to gain from this!
I have also watched youth games on Bladesplayer and seen how other sides have appeared to have players that seem technically better and more skilful, whereas we have a set pattern of play that is effective at creating problems for inexperienced opponents...we seem quite direct.
This is not a dig at any of the youth players, because that is real life in the game. And this is why I think Uniteds preparations have been better and more professional rather than relying on the skill and brilliance of individuals to win.

I'm more for making players skilful and technically the best they can be and letting them learn more tactics and how to win games when they are in the first team. We need stars and standout performers going into the first team, not lads who can do a job and know systems and roles well.

On the other hand Its good to hear we have some young scholars making steps ahead of their years. Those who do this will learn faster and stand a chance of getting a pro deal. But this too could also be in keeping with their physical development. At these ages there can be a huge gap in the physical development of lads and can say this from personal experience.
At 15 my lad has played against some kids that have beards, and clearly far more developed in build and weight as well as physical power and pace, these lads stand out for the reason they can bully opponents....but when others catch up this advantage is ruled.
Again....not slating these boys just having a reasoned view based on my experiences so far.

Absolutely correct. It's a size thing. You look at the birth dates of a lot of the academy lads and you tend to find they are in disproportionately in the first few month of the academy/school year ie September onwards. The lad in the born in September (oldest in team) is bigger, stronger, faster than the same lad in the same team had he been born August (youngest in team).

Of course when they get to say 18 the younger lads in the team have caught up physically, but that is if they haven't been dropped or even if they got selected in the first place as its the big lads at school or Sunday league that impress. also the bigger lads get concentrated on in their development.

Just a snapshot to illustrate this http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-united-u18/startseite/verein/5242 I chose Manu as the information is readily available. Manu 15 out of 20 born in the first 6 months of the school/academy year. It would be interesting to see if it the same at the Blades.

We may be missing a trick here and perhaps lads should be played in groups appropriate to their size. Just a thought.
 
He may. He has the physical attributes. At the moment, however, he has simply improved from atrocious to poor. We need someone a good deal better for next season.

Would you put up with the standard of keeping we see from Calamity George if you were not a Bladey Blade?

Young George would do us all a favour if he didn't sign and moved on to pastures new.

Never rated him and IMO cannot guarantee 12 points saved.

UTB
 
George Longs' agent will be saying to the Blades negotiators that this club have asked about him and that club has asked about him just to get the best contract for him, these clubs might not be interested but that won't stop his agent trying to pump the money up in every aspect. Call me cynical but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this was the case.

I hope he signs, as long as it isn't too much more than he was on last season and it has nothing to do with the bladey claptrap, he is the least of our problems so therefore is bottom of the priority list and only gets improved on if we can get better in with the resources we have left.
 
No problem, I will explain my rationale.
I gain my opinion from my son being in the academy set up at another club, and him having been part of the youth team and reserves/development team for a couple of games recently. He is 15 and to be fair got the chance due to injuries etc rather than being a superstar! (Unfortunately)

However....very little time is given to match tactics and game management, something I feel is lacking. Any side that is more professional in their preparation for matches will have success at winning games. I know a lad at United and can confirm the coaches at United are very good and have the lads well prepared....I only wish (as does he) that my son was at United too to gain from this!
I have also watched youth games on Bladesplayer and seen how other sides have appeared to have players that seem technically better and more skilful, whereas we have a set pattern of play that is effective at creating problems for inexperienced opponents...we seem quite direct.
This is not a dig at any of the youth players, because that is real life in the game. And this is why I think Uniteds preparations have been better and more professional rather than relying on the skill and brilliance of individuals to win.

I'm more for making players skilful and technically the best they can be and letting them learn more tactics and how to win games when they are in the first team. We need stars and standout performers going into the first team, not lads who can do a job and know systems and roles well.

On the other hand Its good to hear we have some young scholars making steps ahead of their years. Those who do this will learn faster and stand a chance of getting a pro deal. But this too could also be in keeping with their physical development. At these ages there can be a huge gap in the physical development of lads and can say this from personal experience.
At 15 my lad has played against some kids that have beards, and clearly far more developed in build and weight as well as physical power and pace, these lads stand out for the reason they can bully opponents....but when others catch up this advantage is ruled.
Again....not slating these boys just having a reasoned view based on my experiences so far.
I fully agree with your points and you have explained it perfectly.

What I think the academy has learnt is that producing individual technical players is not the best way forward.

So to produce good solid players is opening up a pathway for youngsters to play with championship, L1 or L2 clubs in the future where as a lot of other clubs look for stars.
Young stars don't tend to put hard graft in a game where committed less tecHnical lads will.

At the present time Sufc need committed players that understand how to play to a system and give their all for the shirt. That is what the academy is trying to produce and that's why they are pushing certain youngsters on quicker.

We are a L1 club at present and the quicker we all realise this and produce and buy players that have the grit and determination to accept this the quicker the club will move on.

I am not great at explaining but I hope it makes sense.
 
Very good interview by Wilder on club website today.

"If Long signs he does, if he doesn't we look elsewhere. I'm not going to hold a gun to anyone's head. This is League 1 and we have a budget to work to but this club is a great club to play for. If a player wants to go and play elsewhere for £500 then off he can go. We're a great club to play for and even more so going forwards hopefully"
 
Very good interview by Wilder on club website today.

"If Long signs he does, if he doesn't we look elsewhere. I'm not going to hold a gun to anyone's head. This is League 1 and we have a budget to work to but this club is a great club to play for. If a player wants to go and play elsewhere for £500 then off he can go. We're a great club to play for and even more so going forwards hopefully"
Personally I hope he buggers off and we get someone who can catch, get in position, make himself heard, dominate the 6 yard box and save 20 yarders.
 
Very good interview by Wilder on club website today.

"If Long signs he does, if he doesn't we look elsewhere. I'm not going to hold a gun to anyone's head. This is League 1 and we have a budget to work to but this club is a great club to play for. If a player wants to go and play elsewhere for £500 then off he can go. We're a great club to play for and even more so going forwards hopefully"


Sounds like its a take it or leave it then...

Over to you George.

There comes a time though were we will have to say make your mind up.
We dont want to miss out on targeta whilst his agent messes about.
 
Very good interview by Wilder on club website today.

"If Long signs he does, if he doesn't we look elsewhere. I'm not going to hold a gun to anyone's head. This is League 1 and we have a budget to work to but this club is a great club to play for. If a player wants to go and play elsewhere for £500 then off he can go. We're a great club to play for and even more so going forwards hopefully"


Did he also say he'd drive em there?

So thoughtful. What a guy! :)
 



We ought to have been planning on telling him to fuck off at the first sign of any hesitation surrounding the signing of his contract. The way we've been dictated to by a player of his quality is embarrassing.

He's a bang average third division keeper, and we've needed a good one for a while now. A solid keeper can add valuable numbers of points to the board. And it's ultimately those fine margins that determine a season.

A new GK and Ramsdale coming up as no.2 was the route we should have been going down.
Agreed-except for the bang average bit - he's not that good.
 
Very good interview by Wilder on club website today.

"If Long signs he does, if he doesn't we look elsewhere. I'm not going to hold a gun to anyone's head. This is League 1 and we have a budget to work to but this club is a great club to play for. If a player wants to go and play elsewhere for £500 then off he can go. We're a great club to play for and even more so going forwards hopefully"


His attitude is spot on, and this should have been the case for the last 10 years!
Rather than being held to ransom and paying silly money for distinctly average players we should have been saying ok, see yer we have this kid lined up to come in if you are off!

No player bigger than the club!
Long term plan in place, scouting network working overtime and a database of players we can turn to the minute one player thinks they are worth more than they are.

Sends exactly the right message to the players, the agents, the board and the fans! If you are worth it, we will pay you what you are worth, and this will give the board the confidence to trust the opinion of the manager and value his opinion.
 
I love this thread. I think nearly everyone has missed the fact that George gets back from
His holiday today, poor lad doesn't stand a chance.
 
I love this thread. I think nearly everyone has missed the fact that George gets back from
His holiday today, poor lad doesn't stand a chance.


The manager mentioned that fact and still felt it necessary to make his comments. Any idea why, in view of your comments, Sheffielder.?
 
Long needs 1st team football and he knows he won't get that in the premier league,him resigning is a formality really as he knows his chances here are far better.Wilder may bring in another keeper but I think the money can be better spent elsewhere, Ramsdale will put long under pressure next season he's
only just 18 but top class keepers come through at a young age (I have alluded to this in previouse posts ). Best prospect I have ever seen ( keeper ) in a blades jersey and I go back quite a long way.

Tom McAllister weren't bad, till Marsh? clogged him
 
IMO he's not as bad as you're making out..yes, he's looked shaky at times but then other games he's kept us in it and has kept a fair few clean sheets in a poor defence.

Every L1 keeper has a clanger in em, look at 'one of the best', Tommy Lee at Chessy v us this season.

Whether I'm a Bladey-Blade or not, I'd keep George but try and get an older, more experienced keeper in so they can battle it out over the no.1 spot...

P.S- pretty much all the remaining players need to raise their game under Wilder.

Agree with that - he needs to work on the positives and forget the negatives...............shit, been listening to Adkins too much!

There are better than George, but it is not the biggest problem we have and IF we finally get two BIG centre halves, George may start to mature into the goal keeper he should be as against the one he might be.

UTB
 
We have to offer him a contract as if we don't he is entitled to go and sign for someone for free.

If he decides to move elsewhere then we are due a fee. But my understanding offers only last a certain amount of time then it's just down to him to decide.

If he had interest from other clubs he would have gone by now I beleive.
 
What's the point spending all that time developing him to just let him go once he's experienced
It won't be us letting him go. He's been offered a contract, if he doesn't want it he needs to get himself fucked off because he's shit anyway. Anyone who doesn't want to play for the club shouldn't be anywhere near it.
 



The club should not allow itself to be held to ransom by Long and he should be grateful we are offering him a new contract. Whilst he improved after a really poor period he still needs to improve his command of the area and long range shot stopping.
 

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