Let the Moose loose!

[LJBlade]

It’s Mousset.

As for whose goal it is, there seem to be two schools of thought: there were two touches on the way through where Mousset has the final touch, essentially blocking Zouma’s attempted clearance, or Mousset didn’t touch it at all and the ball didn’t change direction, in which case it would have to have been on target from Robinson. If we accept one of these scenarios is correct, then it isn’t an own goal and the debate is whether the goal is credited to Robinson or Mousset.

I’m in the ‘two touches-Mousset goal’ camp.

It’s ‘seems’ not ‘seem’

So you’re saying you saw the ball head towards goal, then change direction and go back towards Mousset before changing direction again and going back towards goal? Interesting how people can convince themselves they’ve seen something that never actually happened.

 

[Akinbiyi]

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Looks like it was Mousetts goal after all.

Look at how the ball deviates. It DEFINITELY takes 2 touches, they can’t both be off Zouma’s foot unless he’s done the worlds fastest ever kick-up

 

[Rob86]

It’s an incredible finish.

The French Brian Deane has arrived. Mooso

 

[LJBlade]

Look at how the ball deviates. It DEFINITELY takes 2 touches, they can’t both be off Zouma’s foot unless he’s done the worlds fastest ever kick-up

It deviates once, off Zouma’s shin.

The other obvious way of us knowing that Mousset didn’t touch the ball is the fact that it hasn’t been given as his goal. If he knew he’d managed to get a touch on it then he’d be making noises about it. Imagine scoring your first Premiership goal for your new team and not even saying anything about it, especially when there’s a £10k goal bonus riding on it.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

How do you account for the lack of direction change on the ball?

If you see the gif the ball clearly goes off zouma then Mooses toe you can see the ball change direction.

Only in slow mo though

I’m sure the dubious goals panel will change it

 

[Rufus Smalls]

I can tell you one thing ....... Harry Kane would be claiming it and the yes men at the Premier League would give it to him.

 

[LJBlade]

If you see the gif the ball clearly goes off zouma then Mooses toe you can see the ball change direction.

Only in slow mo though

I’m sure the dubious goals panel will change it

I bet they don’t.

As I’ve said, the GIF is misleading, I’ve viewed the video in stills, frame by frame and it doesn’t get anywhere near Mousset’s toe, the ball doesn’t change direction at all.

 

[Punk Blade]

It’s ‘seems’ not ‘seem’

So you’re saying you saw the ball head towards goal, then change direction and go back towards Mousset before changing direction again and going back towards goal? Interesting how people can convince themselves they’ve seen something that never actually happened.

It’s seem in the plural.

No, I’m not saying I saw the ball change direction significantly, I’m saying I saw it touch both Zouma’s boot and Mousset’s boot, in that order.

But I don’t know exactly what happened, and neither do you.

 

[LJBlade]

It’s seem in the plural.

No, I’m not saying I saw the ball change direction significantly, I’m saying I saw it touch both Zouma’s boot and Mousset’s boot, in that order.

But I don’t know exactly what happened, and neither do you.

I know exactly what happened because it’s on video for everyone to see. If it touched Mousset’s boot after Zouma’s (it didn’t even touch Zouma’s boot, it hit his shin) then the ball must’ve been going away from the goal at some point.

 

[Stretch]

I think it is too early to suggest that Mousset should be an automatic starter. Yes he has looked very tasty in his cameos, and whether it was an own goal or not yesterday, the fact is that the goal would not have happened had he not made the run inside Zouma.

For what it's worth I think Robinson will keep his place for the time being and the main CF position will be McBurnie. Having Mousset, Sharp and McG as back up options is a nice place to be.

I also think that none of our forward line will individually notch more than half a dozen goals before December, and this is fine as I can see us getting most of our points from tight 2-1 or 1-0 wins and quite a few draws.

At this point Sharp will step up and romp the second half of the season. He will have had 3-4 months to study PL defences and will have adjusted his game accordingly. Experience and intelligence will rule the roost and he will end the season as our top scorer.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

I think it is too early to suggest that Mousset should be an automatic starter. Yes he has looked very tasty in his cameos, and whether it was an own goal or not yesterday, the fact is that the goal would not have happened had he not made the run inside Zouma.

For what it's worth I think Robinson will keep his place for the time being and the main CF position will be McBurnie. Having Mousset, Sharp and McG as back up options is a nice place to be.

I also think that none of our forward line will individually notch more than half a dozen goals before December, and this is fine as I can see us getting most of our points from tight 2-1 or 1-0 wins and quite a few draws.

At this point Sharp will step up and romp the second half of the season. He will have had 3-4 months to study PL defences and will have adjusted his game accordingly. Experience and intelligence will rule the roost and he will end the season as our top scorer.

Not a chance

 

[Stretch]

Not a chance

Which bit?

 

[tomtheblade]

Watched the gif.
I think it's an own goal. I would love the final touch to be off the Moose, but I don't think it was.

Here's why. The claim in this thread seems to be that the ball hit Zouma, rebounded off Mousset and then went in.
In order for this to happen, it would have to rebound off the part of Moussets boot that was facing the part of the goal where it went in, ie, the outside of his foot - the side of his boot, not the toe.

However the 'contact' that we see in the gif appears to show the ball hitting Moussett's toe, which at the point of 'contact' is facing forwards - towards the touchline or the near post. If the ball had somehow hit this part, it would have rebounded somewhere else- out of play or into the near side of the goal.

What we should expect to see, if the rebound had come off Mousset and gone in, is that in that gif there should be a single frame where the ball is at least partially obscuring his foot, indicating that it has hit the outside ' ankle side' of his boot and will rebound towards us (the camera point of view) and into the goal.

All we see is it 'hitting' his toe, but i think this is just a coincidence of the camera angle where his foot and the ball were overlapping slightly in 2d space, but not in reality, in 3d space.

Still a fantastic goal though

 

[Niceguyeddie]

I know exactly what happened because it’s on video for everyone to see. If it touched Mousset’s boot after Zouma’s (it didn’t even touch Zouma’s boot, it hit his shin) then the ball must’ve been going away from the goal at some point.

Just let it go mate
You don't know anymore than anyone else you just have an.opinion

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I thought that on first watch, looked again, and while it initially passes Mousset’s foot, it looks as though their are two split second touches – Zouma nicks it and then there’s a slight (but what I think is important) touch from Mousset last. In fact the more I watch it the more I think Zouma might clear it without the touch off the toe.

I’ve now watched the gif again several hours after first viewing, and have changed my mind.

It’s like seeing the image in a magic eye picture and then not being able to see it the next time you look at it.

 

[Punk Blade]

I know exactly what happened because it’s on video for everyone to see. If it touched Mousset’s boot after Zouma’s then the ball must’ve been going away from the goal at some point.

Correct.

 

[BigBed]

I can tell you one thing ....... Harry Kane would be claiming it and the yes men at the Premier League would give it to him.

Harry Kane would've dived long before the ball even got into the box!

 

[BigBed]

It does look to me, as though Zoumas clearance, comes back off Mousset's studs, and into the net.

 

[finlaytheblade]

It does look to me, as though Zoumas clearance, comes back off Mousset's studs, and into the net.

A game of football is all about scoring goals with a situation such as this where its impossible to tell who had the last touch!
Surely it's best practice to award the goal to an attacking player rather than an own goal.
If Mouss hadn't been there would the ball end up in the net ? probably not ! attacking play should be rewarded an own goal is a negative which goes against the reasons for playing football which is to put the ball in the onion bag.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Robbo Is claiming it.

 

[BladeTillIDie]

Has it been decided yet by the panel who scored it?

 

[BigBed]

A game of football is all about scoring goals with a situation such as this where its impossible to tell who had the last touch!
Surely it's best practice to award the goal to an attacking player rather than an own goal.
If Mouss hadn't been there would the ball end up in the net ? probably not ! attacking play should be rewarded an own goal is a negative which goes against the reasons for playing football which is to put the ball in the onion bag.

Totally get what your saying, but, if Mousset didn't touch it, should it go to Robinson, his cross??

 

[S6 Blade]

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Looks like it was Mousetts goal after all.

Scratch that
Mousett came into my mates shop yesterday where my mate complimented him on his goal. He said “I didn’t touch it mate”.

 

[derfblade.3]

Scratch that
Robinson came into my mates shop yesterday where my mate complemented him on his goal. He said "Tell the Moose to fuck off!"

 

[Not_a_Cheat]

We could give it Robinson because it seems to me it was on target and the touch by either/or did not significantly change it

 

[tyke1889]

We could give it Robinson because it seems to me it was on target and the touch by either/or did not significantly change it

Think the keeper would've probably taken it without the deflection, but it was on target so that doesn't really matter. Robinson's goal for me.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

We could give it Robinson because it seems to me it was on target and the touch by either/or did not significantly change it

We should get VAR to look at it. Then again, it might get cancelled, so best not!

 

[Antonb]

Came off his shin but still think it might have gone all the way in . Should be Robinsons

 

[corner_flag]

Form that angle it looks like Zouma knocks it leftwards and then tip of Mousset's toe turns it towards goal

 

[Pinchy]

The angle from the other side, the one from Robinson’s view.

Edit: and for what it’s worth, the GIF that is going around is deceptive. I’ve just watched it again frame by frame and Mousett’s foot doesn’t actually ‘arrive’ until the ball has hit Zouma and gone well past, there is no change of direction to suggest it deflected back onto Mousett. Obviously I can’t show this to prove it but there really is no touch from Mousett. If you can’t tell, I’m very bored and I don’t actually care either way. The score at the end was still the same.

You can. It’s clear.

have a word with yourself.......you don't think Mousett touched it from any of the angles. Looks as a few people have stated like he got a touch

I’m afraid your correspondent has demonstrated on many occasions, often to the point of tedium, that he is unable to compute the opinions of others or recognise any fallibility whatsoever.

I should give up. He’s beyond help.