Less points

[metalblade]

The one positive for me today is that Adkins finally realised his favourite Billy Blunt is not doing it and subbed him. As soon has the centre backs have a big guy to play against they are not so comfortable and we score and start making chances, maybe the penny is dropping ? The next wanker Adkins needs to needs to bin off is Hammond, not looking too good are they the Adkins signings

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

Our transfer policy is board driven. That's the problem. We need to shell some cash on young hungry players. Yet because we don't pay transfer fees (yeh I know Brayford) we won't pick up promising players who cost money from teams around us and the division below.

How hungry for success do you think the players we have are? Does anyone think they come to us to make their name in the game. They are on the way down and we are a last pay packet or robbing a wage. If these players could play consistently infront of 20k supporters every week do you think they would be playing with us.

We do need to start signing hungry players, you only need to look at Adams for example, we look to him as being one of our key men. A none league player that is out performing so called championship quality players.

 

[Bladesman]

My main beef is Adkins must have known/been told how shit we were last year and did fuck all to address this in the summer.

What a fucking waste of a season and we are faced with the ignominy of watching the worse side in our history 6 bastarding seasons in this awful awful league.

He knew and he certainly knows now.

I assume the board will have said get rid of the ones you don't want first before you can bring more in. Otherwise we will end up with an even bigger wage budget and even bigger squad of which half of them wont be playing.

His current problem has been offloading most of them before their contracts run out because for me Id want some of them gone now not next August.

 

[alcoblade]

He knew and he certainly knows now.

I assume the board will have said get rid of the ones you don't want first before you can bring more in. Otherwise we will end up with an even bigger wage budget and even bigger squad of which half of them wont be playing.

His current problem has been offloading most of them before their contracts run out because for me Id want some of them gone now not next August.

We've shipped out McNulty, Higdon and Kennedy before the JTW. In terms of knowing we aren't good enough, I'm sure he's nailed it. It's the quality of his own signings that's in question. I think the club really has to challenge this, though you do have to wonder if it's some sort of issue with club processes.
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People always complain about sales, but for me they are often inevitable and excusable. Our track record on signings, ever since we fell from the Premiership, has ben utterly attrocious.

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[Blade56]

Down to the players

That Clough bought

 

[SwissBlade]

We've shipped out McNulty, Higdon and Kennedy before the JTW. In terms of knowing we aren't good enough, I'm sure he's nailed it. It's the quality of his own signings that's in question. I think the club really has to challenge this, though you do have to wonder if it's some sort of issue with club processes.
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People always complain about sales, but for me they are often inevitable and excusable. Our track record on signings, ever since we fell from the Premiership, has ben utterly attrocious.

UTB

Be careful about getting too excited just yet about players being sold because they're on loan. I think Higdon might be the most likely to go, Kennedy and perhaps McNulty seem to be about getting them some games in. McNulty might be all season if the tweets from his dad were accurate.

 

[Bladesman]

We've shipped out McNulty, Higdon and Kennedy before the JTW. In terms of knowing we aren't good enough, I'm sure he's nailed it. It's the quality of his own signings that's in question. I think the club really has to challenge this, though you do have to wonder if it's some sort of issue with club processes.
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People always complain about sales, but for me they are often inevitable and excusable. Our track record on signings, ever since we fell from the Premiership, has ben utterly attrocious.

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I think ideally he wanted Hammond a lot earlier and I reckon he only went for Woolford because he was going for free.

 

[Harry's Game]

I seem to remember Murphy winning us three games early season last year that's an extra six point down for a start.

Shame we sold him isn't it?

 

[alcoblade]

Be careful about getting too excited just yet about players being sold because they're on loan. I think Higdon might be the most likely to go, Kennedy and perhaps McNulty seem to be about getting them some games in. McNulty might be all season if the tweets from his dad were accurate.

I'm not convinced they will get sold, either through not being good enough for their wages or because (in kennedy's case) I think it's a fitness test. But I'm sure he's trying to make way for new signings by lowering the current wage bill.

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[Sheffsteel]

My main beef is Adkins must have known/been told how shit we were last year and did fuck all to address this in the summer.

What a fucking waste of a season and we are faced with the ignominy of watching the worse side in our history 6 bastarding seasons in this awful awful league.

LS26,

The facts show we can't have been shit last season.
We finished in the playoffs so can't have been far off promotion this season even with no improvements.
Also the players performed so well against PL opposition.

So the FACTS show that Adkins didn't need to improve much. Maybe that's the problem. No one actually realised that the team needed more rebuilding work than first thought.

Has any actually thought that maybe it's Clough that was doing well getting so much out of the players.
Bet Adkins can't believe how these same set of players did so well last season.

Changing managers has proven to be our downfall.
I reckon if we'd have kept Clough we'd currently be in the top 5.

So my advice is keep Adkins this season no matter what and review his progress Christmas 2016.
We need to be spending money on players not paying off managers ever season or 2.
Adkins has by far the best cv in the lower divisions. Logic says we need to show faith.

 

[SwissBlade]

I'm not convinced they will get sold, either through not being good enough for their wages or because (in kennedy's case) I think it's a fitness test. But I'm sure he's trying to make way for new signings by lowering the current wage bill.

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If Kennedy proves his fitness (sounds like they are positively spinning that he's through the other side of his injury problems) then he's going to be one of the strong characteristics that we need and he'll be forcing one of the centre halves out. If he doesn't then he's heading for a release from his contract. I think with him it's that simple.

As for the rest (you missed a few other loanees out) then yes it's partly to lower the wage bill, but partly to get them match fit.

I'd be surprised if a few more aren't sent on loan in Jan

 

[alcoblade]

If Kennedy proves his fitness (sounds like they are positively spinning that he's through the other side of his injury problems) then he's going to be one of the strong characteristics that we need and he'll be forcing one of the centre halves out. If he doesn't then he's heading for a release from his contract. I think with him it's that simple.

As for the rest (you missed a few other loanees out) then yes it's partly to lower the wage bill, but partly to get them match fit.

I'd be surprised if a few more aren't sent on loan in Jan

The other loanees were before the penny dropped, I think.

Whatever happens with Kennedy, it shouldn't give us so much confidence that we dont bring in another centre half.

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[Sheffsteel]

I seem to remember Murphy winning us three games early season last year that's an extra six point down for a start.

Shame we sold him isn't it?

I remember many more games where Murphy was a waste of space and seem to not want the ball.
Everyone can pick and choose individual games. At his best Jamal Campbell Rice is worth over 5 million.

 

[SwissBlade]

I seem to remember Murphy winning us three games early season last year that's an extra six point down for a start.

Shame we sold him isn't it?

It's a gamble, we miss his experience, pace and that ability to hold the ball. Baxter and sharp are doing the possession bit, but it's when they release/ lose it that it comes undone

 

[SwissBlade]

The other loanees were before the penny dropped, I think.

Whatever happens with Kennedy, it shouldn't give us so much confidence that we dont bring in another centre half.

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Alcock is a relatively recent one and there is another recent one, I think.

I agree with Kennedy, but I can't see it happening. I think the footballing/ transfer committee will oppose another centre half coming in... Whether we need it or not

 

[Blade56]

I'm not convinced they will get sold,
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No need to sell if their contracts are at an end, just waste the feckless shites

 

[TONY_TONY_AGANA]

Then this time last year and the side isn't any better.

How did it get to this?

I blame the fans

 

[Bladesway]

Then this time last year and the side isn't any better.

How did it get to this?

If you remember the polls on here suggested the bloke in charge last season got another go at it. The fans can't be blamed in the slightest because most of us were surprised when Clough went. I don't blame Adkins because he obviously needs longer to sort it. That leaves the players, who have to take some level of responsibility because they can influence things every time the play. Then there is the board. There has to be someone, somewhere who realises we cannot keep changing managers, while selling our best players, then expect to succeed. In spite of managerial changes we have gotten worse pretty much year on year. Why is that? The players brought in are getting worse, while the players going out (Murphy, Quinn, Blackman, McGuire) are all consistently playing at a higher level. You don't even have to be a student of the game of football to realise if you replace good players/employees with worse ones, you will generally go backwards.

 

[ghandi]

Pretty much where I'm at with it at the moment, although I don't think we'll have any trouble remaining top half. I've wrote this season off (another season). Adkins needs to buck his ideas up though as he's done little to impress thus far.

I've also wrote next season off and the next one unless there is some serious change of direction in transfer policy, development of youth players and a change to the pedestrian tactics.

 

[ghandi]

We do need to start signing hungry players, you only need to look at Adams for example, we look to him as being one of our key men. A none league player that is out performing so called championship quality players.

He is not though is he? Is everything just as shite as most of the team currently.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

I'd imagine some of them are wondering how the fuck Hammond, Collins and JCR all get starts ahead of them and still don't get points.

Didn't Phipps state that Clough devalued players by not playing them? Adkins is devaluing players by playing them...

JCR goes then sadly all attacking threat is gone. A sad state of affairs that our sole threat is an ageing league one journeyman.

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

He is not though is he? Is everything just as shite as most of the team currently.

Well..... Yeah currently but at the start of the season we were idolising him.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

It would but that's a lot of time and money I'm going to be spending on naff-all. Again.

I think we can do a bit better than we are now, but it's still blatantly obvious the squad is a mess.

Yes true, its interesting that we say squad these days rather than team . What team? No teamwork, graft, resolve, mental toughness, physical strength, and no ability. Just a 30 strong squad full of talentless crap.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

We may have less points now but for the future of this club we need to stick with Adkins and give him another season to sort the squad out. It was never going to be easy playing with Cloughs squad and defensive mindset he got into the squad but atleast Adkins has shown in the past he knows what it takes to get teams out of this league. Adkins is making mistakes but i have more faith that he will rectify them than i did when Clough was here, i think Adkins deserves a chance atleast and i hope our fans think this along with our board because if they don't we could be in this league or even a league lower for a long time.

Hd needs to show what hes made of, cos right bow hes,showing that he looks totally and utterly clueless.

 

[judge]

Someone wants shooting if that's the case. Adkins signings have been crap so far, added to a squad of utter crap. Even Sharp's turned gash. If he has any chance to turn back on Hammond he should, barring some upturn in form.

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Hopefully the fans will perk up and make all our players great again

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Someone wants shooting if that's the case. Adkins signings have been crap so far, added to a squad of utter crap. Even Sharp's turned gash. If he has any chance to turn back on Hammond he should, barring some upturn in form.

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Nigel mark 3 is surprisingly like Nigel mark 2, a fact becoming more and more obvious. Yeah give him time but he looks a fucking buffoon more and more.

 

[alcoblade]

No need to sell if their contracts are at an end, just waste the feckless shites

That's at the end oft the he season, which is too late in most cases, unfortunately.

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[Bladepicker]

Did anyone watch that class of 92 programme about Salford City?

Thought it was a great two part documentary and, while 4 levels below us, had a team with the biggest budget in the league by far struggling to win games. They got in two managers who were ex army, they were much stricter on the players, binned off the useless ones and got them winning games with a lot of passion and a rocket up their arses. We need better personell but, until we do, I think we need to go back to basics in a similar way.

 

[finlaytheblade]

If you remember the polls on here suggested the bloke in charge last season got another go at it. The fans can't be blamed in the slightest because most of us were surprised when Clough went. I don't blame Adkins because he obviously needs longer to sort it. That leaves the players, who have to take some level of responsibility because they can influence things every time the play. Then there is the board. There has to be someone, somewhere who realises we cannot keep changing managers, while selling our best players, then expect to succeed. In spite of managerial changes we have gotten worse pretty much year on year. Why is that? The players brought in are getting worse, while the players going out (Murphy, Quinn, Blackman, McGuire) are all consistently playing at a higher level. You don't even have to be a student of the game of football to realise if you replace good players/employees with worse ones, you will generally go backwards.

Good post Bladesway as I've said before ! Wasting your time trying to talk sense to all these fans who are so negative it's hard to beleave.
Adkins has come and is trying to play attacking football with an inherited squad who clearly aren't up to it.Most fans were critical of clough for his negative style and demanding a different approach.Well where are we !! sack the manager again ? ,as he,s tried to develop this style..
.He's got to be given time to put his team together and all this moaning and negativity doesn't help.Maybe results don't show it but I don't think we are that far away given the addition of a few players in the areas we all know we are lacking.The reaction to the draw at Walsall is way over the top as they are one of the best teams in the Division,yes we could have lost but we also could have won a draw was not a bad point for us.Hopefully George Long has finally got his confidence and self beleave back Adkins is backing him and not pulling any punches about protecting him,being an ex goali he should know if George has got it or not.He's one of ours so let's get behind George not pull him down young and could be a great keeper for us..

 

[Jehovah]

I wish I was dead