Keep Wilder

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Keep Wilder ?

  • Yes

    Votes: 219 52.6%

  • No

    Votes: 204 49.0%
  • Total voters
    416

I'd like to hear an argument for without someone referring to that he did in the previous promotion season and first season in the Premier League. All I ever read are arguments for based on things he did 5-6 years ago.

I'd like to read some arguments for based on the present, not the past. What has he done in the last year or two to convince you that he is the man to stabilise and rebuild this team?
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
I'd like to hear an argument for without someone referring to that he did in the previous promotion season and first season in the Premier League. All I ever read are arguments for based on things he did 5-6 years ago.

I'd like to read some arguments for based on the present, not the past. What has he done in the last year or two to convince you that he is the man to stabilise and rebuild this team?
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Make an argument for him without using his CV? Ermmmmmm, he's a blade.

Clubs often pay managers out of other clubs and give them big contracts because they're currently having success. Often, they get sacked within a year despite their recent success and it turns out that they're no better than the other 30 managers doing the rounds at your level.

If every manager was replaced with a cat, at the end of the season we'd call some of them geniuses and others would get sacked.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
I'd like to hear an argument for without someone referring to that he did in the previous promotion season and first season in the Premier League. All I ever read are arguments for based on things he did 5-6 years ago.

I'd like to read some arguments for based on the present, not the past. What has he done in the last year or two to convince you that he is the man to stabilise and rebuild this team?
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Nothing.... but it doesn't matter because he "gets the club" and most of all is a blade! Were always living in the past sadly..
 
AWetFlannel said:
Make an argument for him without using his CV? Ermmmmmm, he's a blade.

Clubs often pay managers out of other clubs and give them big contracts because they're currently having success. Often, they get sacked within a year despite their recent success and it turns out that they're no better than the other 30 managers doing the rounds at your level.

If every manager was replaced with a cat, at the end of the season we'd call some of them geniuses and others would get sacked.
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“If every manager was replaced with a cat,”

Got to this and wished l’d stopped reading earlier.
 
AWetFlannel said:
Plenty of managers have guff on their CVs and end up doing a decent job. Plenty of managers have what looks like the perfect CV and do terrible job (Adkins). Ancelotti went to Everton and failed, I'm sure Real Madrid are happy they didn't dismiss him based on that.
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Wilder appears to have failed since PL2. Didn’t expect miracles this season but he achieved very little.

Using Ancelotti as an example, really? 😀
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
I'd like to hear an argument for without someone referring to that he did in the previous promotion season and first season in the Premier League. All I ever read are arguments for based on things he did 5-6 years ago.

I'd like to read some arguments for based on the present, not the past. What has he done in the last year or two to convince you that he is the man to stabilise and rebuild this team?
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Just feels like a stop gap until he’s replaced everything is meh.
 

Sean Thornton said:
Wilder appears to have failed since PL2. Didn’t expect miracles this season but he achieved very little.

Using Ancelotti as an example, really? 😀
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Why not? He's an example of a manager who walked into a badly run club with unrealistic expectations and failed.

Every manager eventually "fails". Did he underachieve at Boro? Carrick seems a decent manager and had the exact same slow start to the season that got Wilder the sack.

Hecky was a good manager for us and succeeded, but failed this season and got sacked. Wilder rallied a squad with a loser mentality for a couple of games, until they reverted to type when results didn't come. With a massive gulf in quality and a group of players who had given up, what did you expect?

I'm not confident Wilder will succeed next season, but acting like it's a fact that he's washed up I find strange.
 
I don’t think there’s many Unitedites who travel home and away who want wilder out next season. That’s not me having a go at people who don’t go at all, just my observation at games. It’s only ever on this forum that I see such a surge for wanting him out. The pigs also seem to ask about wilder’s return with big grins on their face, I think they’d be much more relaxed if he wasn’t our manager.
 
AWetFlannel said:
Why not? He's an example of a manager who walked into a badly run club with unrealistic expectations and failed.

Every manager eventually "fails". Did he underachieve at Boro? Carrick seems a decent manager and had the exact same slow start to the season that got Wilder the sack.

Hecky was a good manager for us and succeeded, but failed this season and got sacked. Wilder rallied a squad with a loser mentality for a couple of games, until they reverted to type when results didn't come. With a massive gulf in quality and a group of players who had given up, what did you expect?

I'm not confident Wilder will succeed next season, but acting like it's a fact that he's washed up I find strange.
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You seem to have to use other managers to prove a point. Wilder has struggled since PL1. That’s a fact, no matter what Tom Dick or Harry has done before or since.
Poisoned chalice this year, don’t blame him for relegation but if his stock was as high as you seem to think, he wouldn’t have needed to dive into the shit show.
 
Sean Thornton said:
You seem to have to use other managers to prove a point. Wilder has struggled since PL1. That’s a fact, no matter what Tom Dick or Harry has done before or since.
Poisoned chalice this year, don’t blame him for relegation but if his stock was as high as you seem to think, he wouldn’t have needed to dive into the shit show.
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I'm using other managers as examples to prove the point, don't see anything wrong with that. It's not as though I can use the future to evidence our decision to keep him.

His stock isn't high and wasn't when he rejoined. The question is, is sacking a manager with a low stock always the right decision and does hiring a manager with lots of hype and recent success always pay off?
 
uptheblades12 said:
I don’t think there’s many Unitedites who travel home and away who want wilder out next season. That’s not me having a go at people who don’t go at all, just my observation at games. It’s only ever on this forum that I see such a surge for wanting him out. The pigs also seem to ask about wilder’s return with big grins on their face, I think they’d be much more relaxed if he wasn’t our manager.
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He once said something about lefties.
 
AWetFlannel said:
I'm using other managers as examples to prove the point, don't see anything wrong with that.

His stock isn't high and wasn't when he rejoined. The question is, is sacking a manager with a low stock always the right decision and does hiring a manager with lots of hype and recent success always pay off?
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You tell me. There’s nothing recent to show he’s still got it. Which is my point.
 
Sean Thornton said:
You tell me. There’s nothing recent to show he’s still got it. Which is my point.
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And my point is, sacking every manager that has bad results without considering the context is reactive, expensive and dumb.

Madrid could have decided that there was nothing Ancelotti had done in the past few years that proved he still had it. That line of thought is clearly flawed. Bayern have hired Company after the shit he's delivered this season. It's not only little old Sheffield United, insular and small time that would hire a manager despite their recent history.
 
Its a no from me. I’m bored of his badge slapping, being a ‘proper club’, favouring players who will ‘do a job’, wasting money on naff players, stupid comments about sandwiches, moaning about every decision, no style of play/identity, getting stuffed week in week out.

Wilder is a nostalgic blast from the past. Who has not improved us much since re-taking the reins. We need new ideas and an identity that modernises the club instead of constantly being some plucky, industrious, underdog, up and at them type. Some flair and style would be nice.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
I'd like to hear an argument for without someone referring to that he did in the previous promotion season and first season in the Premier League. All I ever read are arguments for based on things he did 5-6 years ago.

I'd like to read some arguments for based on the present, not the past. What has he done in the last year or two to convince you that he is the man to stabilise and rebuild this team?
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Regards the here and now.

1: He knows the club, the culture, the fan expectation inside out.
2: He's been on the inside during the most difficult times, so you would expect him to know the problems, the problem players and what's needed.
3: This job is his last chance saloon, a bit like Wayne Rooney's managerial career, if this fails then where does he go from there?
So surely he'll be incredibly determined to succeed more than previous managers.
4: He has a good/close relationship with the owner, experiencing both the great and poor times.
5: He's a great track record at rebuilding. At Middlesboro and Watford, there was no rebuilding needed.

The main negative for me regards keeping Wilder is that they talk about positive momentum, but there's also negative momentum.
Last season was so disastrously bad, that if we lose our early games (especially if we play well but are unlucky conceding last minute goals) then the players, the fans and the manager will have flashbacks, like some form of PTSD and on here everyone will be convinced we're heading for league 1.

Sometimes when there's a dark cloud of defeat and negativity over a club.
It might not be Wilders fault but often owners prefer a massive clear out, loads of new players and also a fresh start with a new manager.
Another factor to get rid is the practical side of finances. He's in his final year, so wouldn't cost that much to sack and pay compensation.

Personally I like to give every manager we've had a chance and only sack them when their position is untenable. Also it depends what alternative options we have, unless there's a chance of bringing in an impressive manager, then may as well give CW a chance to repair his damaged reputation.
 
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AWetFlannel said:
And my point is, sacking every manager that has bad results without considering the context is reactive, expensive and dumb.

Madrid could have decided that there was nothing Ancelotti had done in the past few years that proved he still had it. That line of thought is clearly flawed. Bayern have hired Company after the shit he's delivered this season. It's not only little old Sheffield United, insular and small time that would hire a manager despite their recent history.
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A manager who fucked off.

Ancelotti, look at his career. Superb with every club. Couple of bad seasons, then back to Real Madrid and success. Not success in lower leagues then one good PL season and a shite one, then outed at Boro, did little at Watford and couldn’t coach defending on his return. And you use Ancelotti as a comparison? Jesus Christ.
 

Sheffsteel said:
Regards the here and now.

1: He knows the club, the culture, the fan expectation inside out.
2: He's been on the inside during the most difficult times, so you would expect him to know the problems, the problem players and what's needed.
3: This job is his last chance saloon, a bit like Wayne Rooney's managerial career, if this fails then where does he go from there?
So surely he'll be incredibly determined to succeed more than previous managers.
4: He has a good/close relationship with the owner, experiencing both the great and poor times.
5: He's a great track record at rebuilding. At Middlesboro and Watford, there was no rebuilding needed.

The main negative for me regards keeping Wilder is that they talk about positive momentum, but there's also negative momentum.
Last season was so disastrously bad, that if we lose our early games (especially if we play well but are unlucky conceding last minute goals) then the players, the fans and the manager will have flashbacks, like some form of PTSD and on here everyone will be convinced we're heading for league 1.

Sometimes when there's a dark cloud of defeat and negativity over a club.
It might not be Wilders fault but often owners prefer a massive clear out, loads of new players and also a fresh start with a new manager.
Another factor to get rid is the practical side of finances. He's in his final year, so wouldn't cost that much to sack and pay compensation.

Personally I like to give every manager we've had a chance and only sack them when their position is untenable. Also it depends what alternative options we have, unless there's a chance of bringing in an impressive manager, then may as well give CW a chance to repair his damaged reputation.
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Surely every manager is desperate to succeed, not just Blades supporting bosses.
 
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