Wilder for playoffs or get someone else in?

[Nick Jansky]

Wonder if the crowd will be down on Friday

A lot of people will be away so it was unlikely to be a huge crowd anyway. But I’m expecting a very flat atmosphere.

 

[Not_a_Cheat]

Good shout, if we are throwing names out there a bit of a risk but Boa Morte was the assistant to Silva at Everton and Fulham. Fulham have been gradually going about their business and improving season on season potentially Europe next season the way they are going.

Sausage Roll. Argue against it

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

The new contract is very disappointing

It means he'll have to be sacked, when otherwise a natural parting of ways could have happened at the end of the season

Sure he'd rather be sacked and take the money though. Serves the owners right at the end of the day. Cannon and this new contract were 2 monumental fuck ups. Hopefully it's not a sign of things to come with them

 

[Thrice]

The new contract is very disappointing

It means he'll have to be sacked, when otherwise a natural parting of ways could have happened at the end of the season

Sure he'd rather be sacked and take the money though. Serves the owners right at the end of the day. Cannon and this new contract were 2 monumental fuck ups. Hopefully it's not a sign of things to come with them

Was such a premature move by the club to extend his contract before he even got us promoted.

 

[Not_a_Cheat]

Automatic promotion is 11/2 on Sky Bet. I know it's unlikely but Burnley are away to Watford and then away to us next two games. They could easily drop 3-5 points.

I need an explanation to this please. Venue switched due to ?

 

[Kona]

On the whole I have defended Wilder this season. I felt that to rebuild and have us in the promotion picture for so long after the calamity of last season was an achievement of some note. After the Coventry prtformance and result I really thought we could do it. However, after the events of this week ~ ( and especially today) I am really not sure if Wilder is up to it. I didn't particularly approve of his antics after the Wednesday games. I want the person who represents our club to behave with dignity and class. But at the same time I told myself that it is good to have a manager who gets what tt is to support United. At the same time, Wilder seems to have had a go at supporters this week and lost self control after the match today. I had concerns about some performances but told myself results are all that matter. I also had doubts about some team selections but told myself it doesn't matter because we are winning games. Now this week we have imploded and Wilder seems to have lost it. I couldn't believe that he did not freshen the team up against Millwall after the Oxford game. His substitutions today left me scratching my head. I felt he was trying to hold on to a 1-0 win rather than going to finish the game off. I always had worries about spending so much money on Cannon. It would not be the first time a Wilder marquee signing has not paid off. I am hugely disappointed by this week but after over 50 years of being a Blade I am not in the least bit surprised. It's hard to see us succeeding in the play- offs if we maintain this form for the last few games. I have been telling myself for months that I am ambivalent about promotion given the almost impssible gulf now betewwen the Championship and the Premier League. But now we have buggered it up it feels like a massive wasted opportunity and I am afraid our Chris has to take a lot of responsibility for this. When we needed a calm head and clear thinking he has been found wanting. Maybe you could say he has still achieved a miracle this season and when the season is over and the dusr settles this may still be a valid opinion. But this week has been so much of a shit show that Wilder has lost a lot of credit he had the bank. Even for me. Sorry Chris, not good enough

My thoughts exactly… but far better articulated!

 

[robbiez666]

I need an explanation to this please. Venue switched due to ?

oops my bad.

 

[Stretch]

As hard as this is to take, at the end of the day, we could have found ourselves missing out on the last day of the season due to GD, or the -2 deduction and that would have arguably been worse.

But in any case there is absolutely no point bringing anyone else whilst there is still a chance of promotion. It's not looking like the players can recover from this, but they do have 4 matches to try and re set, then it's a cup competition over 3 matches.

Whatever you might think of him at this moment, Wilder has earned the right to take us into the playoffs imo. If he fails, then the owners have a strong case to think again in the summer.

 

[loyalblade95]

Thing is we've looked awful in a lot of games we've won too. It wouldn't be so bad if we lost some games but had played well in them.. but I don't think we can say that's the case at all.

Dropping O'hare for ages, playing Diaz over Rak-Sakyi on the right, spunking 10 Mill on Cannon and gambling on Holding for CB after losing Souttar.. giving Brewster chance after chance.. treating Brooks like shit. Too many errors for me.

Our goal difference is embarrassing for 3rd place.. is it record breakingly bad I wonder?

Fair point about the performances and I partly agree with you about the O'Hare situation.

Dropping O'Hare in the first place wasn't the worst idea as he looked knackered in some games (bar Cooper and probably Burrows, he's probably played more minutes than anyone else this season), and TBF Brewster did take his chance and earned the right to keep his shirt against Coventry and Oxford, but O'Hare should have been back in for Millwall.

BBD playing RW ahead of JRS might not have been the best choice in hindsight (I don't think we've had an established first choice RW all season), but JRS has been blowing hot and cold all season and hasn't always done enough to keep his shirt consistantly, same with Brooks who I hope can kick on from now on.

I'm glad we've got Brooks under a long contract and I hope we see more of him as he improves, but if a player isn't putting in enough effort in training (which is what CW said) then they can't justify starting the next game, not long after CW said that, Brooks started to get back in the team so it clearly worked, but like JRS he didn't always do enough to keep his shirt.

In regards to Cannon, it's not 10 million on an established ST (which he isn't), it's 10 million on someone who has the potential to become an established ST, it's similar to Burnley with Trafford (where they've spent a bit of money on someone with a lot of potential), same for us with Burrows (for a smaller fee) as we've paid for potential (hoping that he could step up) rather than signing older established players with less resale value.

Souttar was always going to be extremely difficult to replace, but Holding should have played more for us than he has.

 

[Sheffsteel]

What a stupid poll.

Of course we should stick with Wilder but I’m not confident we’ll win at Wembley.

We could have the best team and be leading 2-0 with 5 minutes to go and I’ll still be convinced the Gods are looking down thinking a new way how they can punish us.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

Automatic promotion is 11/2 on Sky Bet. I know it's unlikely but Burnley are away to Watford and then away to us next two games. They could easily drop 3-5 points.

Watford been trying out a few kids according to a Watford supporting mate of mine, wouldn’t expect too much in that one.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

In regards to Cannon, it's not 10 million on an established ST (which he isn't), it's 10 million on someone who has the potential to become an established ST, it's similar to Burnley with Trafford (where they've spent a bit of money on someone with a lot of potential), same for us with Burrows (for a smaller fee) as we've paid for potential (hoping that he could step up) rather than signing older established players with less resale value.

Problem is we're not the sort of club that can afford £10 million on 'potential'. For £10 million in the championship you want someone that's proven over at least 2 seasons... with at least one 23 goal season. Cannon's resale value currently looks about 2 million.

That money so badly spent is the reason we're slumming it with Robinson and Holding instead of someone that was in proven form.

 

[mattbianco1]

Continuing with Robinson over Holding for 3 months is a stackable offence in itself

 

[DeanLearner'sCat]

I don't think we'll win the play offs whoever is in charge because we never do. That's just a law of football. But panic sacking a manager (who has overachieved this season), shortly after giving him a new deal, is exactly what a badly run club would do.

When we have unironic shouts of "give it to Warnock until the end of the season", you know heads have fully gone.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

I don't think we'll win the play offs whoever is in charge because we never do. That's just a law of football. But panic sacking a manager (who has overachieved this season), shortly after giving him a new deal, is exactly what a badly run club would do.

When we have unironic shouts of "give it to Warnock until the end of the season", you know heads have fully gone.

I'd call for Cooper but dont think he'd sign a short deal. He really struggled in the prem even with a blank chequebook.

 

[djbaldken]

Getting rid of Wilder at this stage would be ridiculous.
Like everyone else I'm hugely disappointed at this moment. I agree the performance s of late have not been good enough. Quite a few of the squad have been lacklustre for too long now.
But let's not forget this has been a long hard slog of a season. A season where we lost an influential midfielder and defender. A season where we started two points behind everyone else. But look where we are now.
Not many would have expected us to be third at this point. I certainly didnt.
I'm not saying Wilder is beyond criticism for what's just occurred.
But sacking him with four games left is not the answer.
At least we now know where we will be come May. Start planning for it now.
Not that I think it will make much difference. Like most here I've seen us lose EVERY play off we've been in. At the moment I'm not sure I can bare to watch another game let alone a play off campaign.
Mind you I've said that so many times over the last 50 years. And I've always come back.
What will be will be.

 

[Superblades]

Who else is there?

We did this before getting rid of Wilson and Morgan didn't work out.

Problem was getting Morgan in.

 

[loyalblade95]

Problem is we're not the sort of club that can afford £10 million on 'potential'. For £10 million in the championship you want someone that's proven over at least 2 seasons... with at least one 23 goal season. Cannon's resale value currently looks about 2 million.

That money so badly spent is the reason we're slumming it with Robinson and Holding instead of someone that was in proven form.

We've taken a chance on Cannon and so far it hasn't paid off, that doesn't mean he won't succeed at United but that's all it was, a chance that he might come good with us.

That being said, I would be amazed if we could have gotten a proven Championship ST with those kind of numbers (proven over 2 seasons with one 23+ goal season) for £10 million or less.

Usually when a ST scores that many goals in 1 season in the Championship they are usually signed by top flight teams in the summer, like Gyokeres, Mcburnie, Ndiaye and Watkins just to name a few, and they all go for more money than £10 million.

We could've probably got someone older like Nakhi Wells or Weimann who are proven at this level but have no resale value and likely won't make the step up, we got that last summer with Moore but he hasn't scored as many as we thought he would've done.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

No manager at this time of the season is able to implement his own style. Those wanting him out at this stage must think it’s ‘football manager’ or something.

I genuinely get the argument of replacing him in the summer if we’re not promoted, but to change now is absolute nonsense.

The football we’re playing isn’t good enough, the character of the team is worrying.

Sacking a manager isn’t simple and would cause a lot of challenges behind the scenes. Just get through the next few games and then playoffs and if we don’t go up take it from there

 

[Slug]

Wilder has lost his head. I don't even see us beating Cardiff.

Cardiff has become a massive game for Wilder. If we lose that, and follow it up with what is sure to be a nailed on loss at Burnley.... I can't see him surviving 5 losses on the spin.

 

[Bassett Style]

Do you believe Wilder is the right man to take us into the playoffs?

He's never lost in a play off with us so I'd say give him a chance

 

[Lowen]

Cardiff has become a massive game for Wilder. If we lose that, and follow it up with what is sure to be a nailed on loss at Burnley.... I can't see him surviving 5 losses on the spin.

Be crazy to sack him at this stage and realistically I think we want Wilder for the playoffs but like you say I genuinely could see him getting the boot if we lost five on the spin. Would be kind of interesting if we could convince a big name out of work coach or current international manager to just parachute in and have a pop at the playoffs.

 

[MayorOJC]

Chuck £100k Big Sam's way to manage us for 3 games. It's more than he got with England.