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Charlieblade said:
Archer doesn’t really offer anything we don’t have at our academy already. He would not be a guaranteed starter, just another young player with potential to block our own academy progress.
He recently signed a 5 year deal with Villa, so he would not come cheap, either on loan or permanent.
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Archer is levels above anything we have in the academy
Im no expert on premier league youngsters but from what ive seen of this lad on loan and for villa he would be a real coup for any championship team and a certain starter for us

Hes a clinical finisher with a good all round game should really be getti g more game time for villa
Reminds me of the gary cahill situation with them
 
Frank the tank said:
Archer is levels above anything we have in the academy
Im no expert on premier league youngsters but from what ive seen of this lad on loan and for villa he would be a real coup for any championship team and a certain starter for us

Hes a clinical finisher with a good all round game should really be getti g more game time for villa
Reminds me of the gary cahill situation with them
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7 in 20 games for PNE isn't bad for a shite team. I mean Ched's record is worse but still some would have him back 🙈
 
Frank the tank said:
Archer is levels above anything we have in the academy
Im no expert on premier league youngsters but from what ive seen of this lad on loan and for villa he would be a real coup for any championship team and a certain starter for us

Hes a clinical finisher with a good all round game should really be getti g more game time for villa
Reminds me of the gary cahill situation with them
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N'Diayewillalwaysloveyou said:
7 in 20 games for PNE isn't bad for a shite team. I mean Ched's record is worse but still some would have him back 🙈
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He's excellent, but certain starter over McBurnie and Ndiaye? League's top scorers?
I don't think we'll be able to get a CF in of that sort of caliber as you'd think he'd be wanting to start games.
We could probably attract a CF coming to the end of a PL deal that would be playing for a contract here.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
He's excellent, but certain starter over McBurnie and Ndiaye? League's top scorers?
I don't think we'll be able to get a CF in of that sort of caliber as you'd think he'd be wanting to start games.
We could probably attract a CF coming to the end of a PL deal that would be playing for a contract here.
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Ypu might be right i actually thought hed srart alongside those 2 and instead of the rest
 
Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
That's a question for Bergen Blade , although I'd say circa £4m, comparable to what Jens Petter Hauge went to AC Milan for. He'd be a direct replacement for Fleck. He's not short of admirers.

I'd also throw in Casper Tengstedt into the mix as a CF.
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Probably a bit more, but he's only got 12 months left on his contract, so the price should be declining if he doesn't move in January. A young Fleck is a decent comparison, but he is right footed. Player of the year in Norway, and recently made his debut for Norway.
 
Andy Carroll's Reading contract runs out in January - I'd take him on a deal until the end of the season to play the Hanson/Madine promotion role.
 
BushBlade said:
Very true but bear in mind the players took a wage reduction when we went down and, I’m pretty sure I’ve read in a source that I considered reliable at the time that they took another this season. So, our wage bill should have reduced a bit. I don’t know how much by. Also, we’ve got players out of contract and I think some of those won’t be renewed, I can’t see us keeping Enda, or Fleck, or Billy, which will reduce the wage bill further.

What I perceive as being the bigger problem is that we just won’t be able to offer new, acceptable contracts to our better younger players if PL clubs come in for them. We could, in the worst case, lose Berge, Ndiaye, RND, Anel and maybe Bogle if he has a good second half of the season. That will bring in plenty of cash and their might be enough from the sale of the first two to offer some of the others decent enough contracts for them to be prepared to give us another season. But it’s still going to be a big rebuild. We need to have better scouting than we’ve demonstrated over the last few seasons. Once we spend this money, if we still don’t go up, we’ll just be dependent on getting enough for the next lot of players we move on. Constantly selling can become an ever decreasing circle.

I’m not worried yet, a good rebuild using VFM signings and a couple of the youth players is feasible but it won’t be easy. Ideally, we go up this time, which is why, if there’s any money at all, we should be looking to strengthen. If there isn’t, then I’ll be saying our owner and the people running the club have been naive. But that’s for February, if at all.
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Too many unknown variables.
Promoted or not?
Wage structure?
Funds available or not.
Player contracts, run down or renew?

Better to be a potential top two side with players coming back from injury, than to be a club with debts, promoted or not?
Promoted clubs will need to be hard faced about players like Sharp, Fleck, Enda and even Norwood, Basham and Egan.
No promotion and we face the same issues plus the probable loss of Berge, Ndiaye, RND and Bogle. That is ten players we could lose either way.
With limited information, its a tough ask either way.
I maintain that the current squad wii get automatic promotion. Ravaged by injuries, this squad got us secure in second spot.
Even if i am right, other clubs like Burnley, Watford and Norwich will likely recruit new players.
I hope we get promotion, and all the problems it brings, with a healthy balance sheet. Its just an opinion, even if it differs from yours, ;)
 
i think if we could just push the boat out by signing another striker and midfielder in january even if their only loans we would be nailed on for a top 2 finish the mention of perez on this thread by another poster is interesting could be a great loan signing for a championship club
 
Charlieblade said:
Too many unknown variables.
Promoted or not?
Wage structure?
Funds available or not.
Player contracts, run down or renew?

Better to be a potential top two side with players coming back from injury, than to be a club with debts, promoted or not?
Promoted clubs will need to be hard faced about players like Sharp, Fleck, Enda and even Norwood, Basham and Egan.
No promotion and we face the same issues plus the probable loss of Berge, Ndiaye, RND and Bogle. That is ten players we could lose either way.
With limited information, its a tough ask either way.
I maintain that the current squad wii get automatic promotion. Ravaged by injuries, this squad got us secure in second spot.
Even if i am right, other clubs like Burnley, Watford and Norwich will likely recruit new players.
I hope we get promotion, and all the problems it brings, with a healthy balance sheet. Its just an opinion, even if it differs from yours, ;)
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I’m not sure it really differs that much. Your response to my post seems like you’re responding to something you think I’ve said, rather than what I’ve actually said. At no point, in any of my posts on this topic, have I suggested borrowing money from future funds to spend this season, hence my comment “if there’s any money at all, we should be looking to strengthen.”

I think the only difference in opinion is that you think we can get promoted without bringing anyone in, I have my doubts.
 

BushBlade said:
I’m not sure it really differs that much. Your response to my post seems like you’re responding to something you think I’ve said, rather than what I’ve actually said. At no point, in any of my posts on this topic, have I suggested borrowing money from future funds to spend this season, hence my comment “if there’s any money at all, we should be looking to strengthen.”

I think the only difference in opinion is that you think we can get promoted without bringing anyone in, I have my doubts.
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Your final sentence is correct. My points are raised to support my theory that promotion can be achieved with fewer risks financially. It is not aimed at your caveat over funds available, just added emphasis to my view. There are always demands for money for infrastructure, improvements and players. By not spending on new players, i see any number of projects that could benefit, with fewer risks.
There is no ideal time to add new players, but the JTW has proven to be fraught with most danger.
 
We don't really need anyone with a fully fit squad imho but we don't have a fully fit squad.

Notwithstanding the long term injuries we currently have, the last 18 months would suggest we'll likely have further problems during the second half of the season.

This season is a huge opportunity to get promoted and if missed, could be a good while before another comes around.
 
Davalon said:
We don't really need anyone with a fully fit squad imho but we don't have a fully fit squad.

Notwithstanding the long term injuries we currently have, the last 18 months would suggest we'll likely have further problems during the second half of the season.

This season is a huge opportunity to get promoted and if missed, could be a good while before another comes around.
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agree dav 2 good additions a striker and a midfielder and i think were nailed on for top 2 if we dont i reckon play offs
 
ancientblade said:
agree dav 2 good additions a striker and a midfielder and i think were nailed on for top 2 if we dont i reckon play offs
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I think we may get across line without Brewster and Fleck if we don't lose anyone else for any length of time.

I think we've missed Doyle a lot and I wouldn't like to think going out Ndiaye for ages.

I don't know the exact financial flex but it feels a big risk not bringing one or two in if we can somehow.
 
If we don't bring anyone in as cover then that would be negligence imo.

Our injury record is horrendous and doesn't look like easing any time soon.

We need to plan for any situation the outlay in wages and loan fees will be chicken feed of it helps ensure promotion.

We need to help PH as much as possible.

1 striker is a must and maybe some cover for CB as Bashams decline is unlikely to slow.

What's Jerry Yates contract situation at Blackpool? Worth a cheeky bid?
 
we supposedly hadnt any money before a ball was kicked but we found 3m for anel i think hecky is being clever by playing along with this weve no money sketch and in any case it would only be 6 months loans if we did sign anybody surely for a prize of 160m plus by getting to the premier league we can find it crucial imo if were to finish top 2
 
Kev Gee said:
If we don't bring anyone in as cover then that would be negligence imo.

Our injury record is horrendous and doesn't look like easing any time soon.
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I must have imagined Berge, Lowe and Bogle being back on the bench last week. Cold weather must be making me imagine things
 
N'Diayewillalwaysloveyou said:
McBurnie gets injured were struggling big times. Yes ? No?
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I'm not sure what McBurnie has to do with whether getting three first team players back eases our "horrendous" injury record or not. Unless you are precisely Man City of PSG, if you lose a first team striker you will tend to be more shit, has nothing to do with my point
 
I think, unless someone we really want like Anel comes on the market, Hecky made it clear that he doesn't expect anyone to come in and he just wants to keep the squad.

Getting a midfielder would mean having Doyle/McAtee becomes pointless, Hecky thought they had what it takes to push us on and I can't see why his mind would be changed.

Definitely a question mark up front though, Billy still gets them when we need him but we shouldn't be needing him. I like Reda but he can't be relied upon consistently and Jebbo isn't ready. With Brewster out long term that does really only leave us with McB and Illy, we need another one to cover (don't think bringing back Osula would be the answer either)
 

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