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[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

What didn’t?

Strengthing in January to almost guarantee promotion. Think they signed 5?
Woodman
Phillips
Cantwell
Dembele
Moore

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Hogan, Madine & Dowell pushed us over the line in 2019 too. All played big parts.
I can't remember if Craine was a January signing too?

 

[BushBlade]

Strengthing in January to almost guarantee promotion. Think they signed 5?
Woodman
Phillips
Cantwell
Dembele
Moore

Got ya. Yes, they signed more than that including loans. I guess we’ll have to see what happens. I’ll be very disappointed if we don’t sign anyone. I don’t even think we need many, just a couple really.

 

[billyblademan]

Hogan, Madine & Dowell pushed us over the line in 2019 too. All played big parts.
I can't remember if Craine was a January signing too?

Big James Hanson in 2017 as well!

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Got ya. Yes, they signed more than that including loans. I guess we’ll have to see what happens. I’ll be very disappointed if we don’t sign anyone. I don’t even think we need many, just a couple really.

Just think a midfielder and a striker are needed. Even if we have to generate funds by loaning a couple out? Arblaster, Couilbaly, Jebbison etc.

 

[mancunianblade]

Big James Hanson in 2017 as well!

people forget Hanson but he was integral

 

[mancunianblade]

Just think a midfielder and a striker are needed. Even if we have to generate funds by loaning a couple out? Arblaster, Couilbaly, Jebbison etc.

maybe im wrong but usually for these types of loans dont we cover the wages anyway?

 

[Charlieblade]

We have 4 strikers. Ones 36, ones 18 and the other two get injured alot.

Please explain where all these ‘strikers’ were in the first half of this season, as we scored 36 goals during our well publicized injury crisis, over the last 22 games?
Please explain where we get the funding for a top striker who could even get on our current bench right now?
To ask for more, given those circumstances, is just dreaming really.
Please send your answers to PH on a postcard. Spending big money, that we don’t have, in the JTW would be make the club look desperate. We are not desperate.

 

[Charlieblade]

Didn't do Bournemouth any harm

Bournemouth gambled with someone else’s money, then sacked their manager! Sure in an ideal world, it would be great if we had more players to choose from, including striker and midfield, but our owner is not a billionaire.
Players coming back from injury are more than good enough to get automatic promotion from this league.
Anyone new would have to be a guaranteed starter, but not always guaranteed to fit in, or be the success that some are demanding immediately. I’m a dreamer too, but my faith in dreams goes to the current players and management.
This would still be true if we sold a big ticket player, to fund a buy that might, or might not work.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Please explain where all these ‘strikers’ were in the first half of this season, as we scored 36 goals during our well publicized injury crisis, over the last 22 games?
Please explain where we get the funding for a top striker who could even get on our current bench right now?
To ask for more, given those circumstances, is just dreaming really.
Please send your answers to PH on a postcard. Spending big money, that we don’t have, in the JTW would be make the club look desperate. We are not desperate.

Chill out McCabe

 

[Charlieblade]

Chill out McCabe

Wow! Anyone else hear that massive whooshing sound?

No answers then? Got it.

 

[BushBlade]

Bournemouth gambled with someone else’s money, then sacked their manager! Sure in an ideal world, it would be great if we had more players to choose from, including striker and midfield, but our owner is not a billionaire.
Players coming back from injury are more than good enough to get automatic promotion from this league.
Anyone new would have to be a guaranteed starter, but not always guaranteed to fit in, or be the success that some are demanding immediately. I’m a dreamer too, but my faith in dreams goes to the current players and management.
This would still be true if we sold a big ticket player, to fund a buy that might, or might not work.

Whose money did Bournemouth gamble with?

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Wow! Anyone else hear that massive whooshing sound?

No answers then? Got it.

No need to reply with essays when I'm busy all day and the fact is, strengthing in January increases our chances of promotion

 

[brownblade]

It's true. There's logic to gambling (slightly) and spending, even if loan fees. There's also logic to doing no business and not risking losses/debt.

Window doesn't open yet though, there are essentially 4 league games first...

If () we're in a strong top 2 position when the window opens, I'm pretty certain we'll be looking for a couple of "very best available" reinforcements. Midfield and attack. The risk of making a loss is far less if promotion looks more likely.

N.B. In that scenario we'd be a desirable destination for a lot of fringe Prem players and their parent clubs.

If we're 3rd or 4th there's also a strong argument to chase the top 2 goal with a little bit of cash monehh.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

It's true. There's logic to gambling (slightly) and spending, even if loan fees. There's also logic to doing no business and not risking losses/debt.

Window doesn't open yet though, there are essentially 4 league games first...

If () we're in a strong top 2 position when the window opens, I'm pretty certain we'll be looking for a couple of "very best available" reinforcements. Midfield and attack. The risk of making a loss is far less if promotion looks more likely.

N.B. In that scenario we'd be a desirable destination for a lot of fringe Prem players and their parent clubs.

If we're 3rd or 4th there's also a strong argument to chase the top 2 goal with a little bit of cash monehh.

A Cameron Archer type loan would give us a different option upfront.

 

[Snowflake]

A Cameron Archer type loan would give us a different option upfront.

So would Jofra Archer !

 

[Charlieblade]

Whose money did Bournemouth gamble with?

The club owner, who now seems content to use the assets and managerial potential already at the club. Internal promotion of Gary O’Neil started well enough, but lost the last 4 EPL games.
Sacked Scott Parker after the 9-0 thrashing by Spurs.
Club looking desperate now, after well publicized money go round in the championship promotion season. Big money went on playing staff in JTW that season.

Not really the kind of future I envision for Blades.

 

[Charlieblade]

No need to reply with essays when I'm busy all day and the fact is, strengthing in January increases our chances of promotion

My location has an +8 hours time difference. Didn’t realise you were too busy to reply.
It seems obvious that we have very different opinions on this subject.
I am retired so I have plenty of time to make stuff up!

 

[Charlieblade]

A Cameron Archer type loan would give us a different option upfront.

Archer doesn’t really offer anything we don’t have at our academy already. He would not be a guaranteed starter, just another young player with potential to block our own academy progress.
He recently signed a 5 year deal with Villa, so he would not come cheap, either on loan or permanent.

 

[Champagneblade]

I think in terms of numbers we are ok.

You then subtract a couple from each group and wonder if you’d still have the same momentum.

I mean, for example, Jebbo shows flashes here and there when fit, but at his age, I’d much rather him bang in 10 goals for Plymouth, playing week in, week out than trying to develop by not making the squad most weeks and getting a 10 minute cameo in others.

I wouldn’t be against signing Vydra. 65 goals and less 22 assist in 187 games is dependable at this level. He now seems about to join a Greek club after getting over injury.

Five years ago, a fair time I know, Burnley we’re making bids of 12m for Nicolas de Preville.

In the end that didn’t happen but he joined Bordeaux for 8m.

He can play all across the front line. Also free having left Metz but he has played at the top in France almost 300 games.

So that pushes you to loans or other loan to buy type options.

Would Ayoze Perez from Leicester be too ambitious? We just played them. He’s not getting games so much, only started once back in August. He can play a few roles; right wing, left wing, attacking midfield, second striker, striker.

 

[BushBlade]

The club owner, who now seems content to use the assets and managerial potential already at the club. Internal promotion of Gary O’Neil started well enough, but lost the last 4 EPL games.
Sacked Scott Parker after the 9-0 thrashing by Spurs.
Club looking desperate now, after well publicized money go round in the championship promotion season. Big money went on playing staff in JTW that season.

Not really the kind of future I envision for Blades.

Personally, I wouldn’t describe the owner of Bournemouth putting money into Bournemouth as using someone else’s money.

The reason the owner didn’t want to put any more money in is that the club was for sale. The sale took a bit longer than expected but according to this, it’s now gone through

afc Bournemouth Sale Completed - Sport Industry Group

Premier League football club AFC Bournemouth has been taken over by a consortium led by Las Vegas-based businessman Bill Foley. Foley becomes the latest American to invest in English football’s highest division after completing a purchase worth over £100m. Previous owner Maxim Demin has sold his...

www.sportindustry.biz

If PA has no money to invest, he has no money, I get that. I’d be very disappointed though if there’s nothing, not even for a loan. As I’ve said, I don’t think many clubs get promoted after bringing no one in during the JTW. If we’re really so skint that we can’t afford anyone at all, that’s poor planning and there’s an argument we should have tried to do a deal for Berge with Brugges, because if it’s a choice of keeping Berge and signing no one in the JTW and selling Berge at a loss but being in a position to bring new players in, I think history indicates the latter is likely to be more successful.

 

[Charlieblade]

Personally, I wouldn’t describe the owner of Bournemouth putting money into Bournemouth as using someone else’s money.

The reason the owner didn’t want to put any more money in is that the club was for sale. The sale took a bit longer than expected but according to this, it’s now gone through

afc Bournemouth Sale Completed - Sport Industry Group

Premier League football club AFC Bournemouth has been taken over by a consortium led by Las Vegas-based businessman Bill Foley. Foley becomes the latest American to invest in English football’s highest division after completing a purchase worth over £100m. Previous owner Maxim Demin has sold his...

www.sportindustry.biz

If PA has no money to invest, he has no money, I get that. I’d be very disappointed though if there’s nothing, not even for a loan. As I’ve said, I don’t think many clubs get promoted after bringing no one in during the JTW. If we’re really so skint that we can’t afford anyone at all, that’s poor planning and there’s an argument we should have tried to do a deal for Berge with Brugges, because if it’s a choice of keeping Berge and signing no one in the JTW and selling Berge at a loss but being in a position to bring new players in, I think history indicates the latter is likely to be more successful.

I can see the logic in both sides of the debate. Both clubs needing to be solvent in order for a sale to go ahead. Afc Bournemouth gambled buying players to get promotion. PA could do the same presumably. He found 3m for Anel and still has 15m to come as final parachute payment?
I have been a Blade since the 60s, but i cannot recall a squad as strong as this one we have now.
Until the JTW closes, this is just a difference of opinion!

 

[Yewsman]

We probably have the biggest/strongest senior squad in the Championship. Our problem has been the number of injuries. With most of the injured players coming back it’s like making new signings. However we do look particularly short of cover up front. Brewster looks like he’s going to be out effectively for the rest of the season. This means that If Illi or McB get injured we have only got Billy (who doesn’t look great to me) and the young lads Jebbo and Osula. I really think this is priority in jtw.

 

[BushBlade]

I can see the logic in both sides of the debate. Both clubs needing to be solvent in order for a sale to go ahead. Afc Bournemouth gambled buying players to get promotion. PA could do the same presumably. He found 3m for Anel and still has 15m to come as final parachute payment?
I have been a Blade since the 60s, but i cannot recall a squad as strong as this one we have now.
Until the JTW closes, this is just a difference of opinion!

If an owner puts money in as an investment, say in the form of an equity injection, then the business is still solvent. A business becomes insolvent when it can no longer pay its debts. Maxim Demin, the former Bournemouth owner gambled with his money, as far as I’m aware, he didn’t borrow it on behalf of the club or put it in as a loan. So if the gamble failed, he lost.

PA could do the same, if he has the spare cash. I don’t know if he has, I suspect he hasn’t. He could also borrow money against future income but that is then potentially putting the club at risk, or, at best, leaving us short next season if we don’t go up, meaning it’s much less likely we can get promoted in the future. That depends on how much we borrow - there’s an argument that we’ll sell players anyway if we don’t go up but the risk in that would be if, for example, Ndiaye got injured at the end of the season and we couldn’t sell him.

Anyway, there are a number of permutations and there isn’t necessarily a “right” answer. There’s no point speculating at this time as we don’t know what’s going to happen in the JTW. The indications are we won’t be spending much but who knows, I suspect that if there’s a chance of making a signing like Anel, too good a bargain to turn down, he might find a bit of cash. I hope so.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Personally, I wouldn’t describe the owner of Bournemouth putting money into Bournemouth as using someone else’s money.

The reason the owner didn’t want to put any more money in is that the club was for sale. The sale took a bit longer than expected but according to this, it’s now gone through

afc Bournemouth Sale Completed - Sport Industry Group

Premier League football club AFC Bournemouth has been taken over by a consortium led by Las Vegas-based businessman Bill Foley. Foley becomes the latest American to invest in English football’s highest division after completing a purchase worth over £100m. Previous owner Maxim Demin has sold his...

www.sportindustry.biz

If PA has no money to invest, he has no money, I get that. I’d be very disappointed though if there’s nothing, not even for a loan. As I’ve said, I don’t think many clubs get promoted after bringing no one in during the JTW. If we’re really so skint that we can’t afford anyone at all, that’s poor planning and there’s an argument we should have tried to do a deal for Berge with Brugges, because if it’s a choice of keeping Berge and signing no one in the JTW and selling Berge at a loss but being in a position to bring new players in, I think history indicates the latter is likely to be more successful.

If we'd sold Berge for the £20m we were looking for then PA was going to make c. £4-5m available for the purchase of Kone.
On the basis of that being the level of re-investment, I'd much rather keep Berge.
You can't get as good as him for that sort of money.

Flip those numbers around - PH gets £15/16m and club keeps £4/5m - then you've got a proper debate. But it would never happen.

However, I'll also will be really disappointed if we don't do anything in January.
We need to keep hold of everybody and build on what we have (CF and CM, being greedy a CB too). Speculate to accumulate.
The offers will still be there in January and, despite contractual situations, they won't have diminished that much that it's not a risk worth taking.

 

[BushBlade]

If we'd sold Berge for the £20m we were looking for PA was going to make circa £4m available for the purchase of Kone.
On the basis of that being the level of re-investment, I'd much rather keep Berge.

Flip those numbers around, PH gets £15/16m, club keeps £4/5m, then you've got a proper debate. But it would never happen.

We had Kone lined up as a replacement. That doesn’t mean we wouldn’t have bought other players in, either in the last window or the JTW.

I don’t really get this PH gets x and “the club” gets x. I think there’s some hangover from the McCabe days, when we tended to sell when our expenses were going to exceed our income. We didn’t invest the money in new players because we had to use it to cover the cost of the remaining players’s wages and our other expenses. As we haven’t seen the accounts yet, we don’t know what our current expenses are, whether we’re predicted to make a loss this season, a profit or break even so we don’t know how much of any transfer income would be available for the transfer fees and wages of new players. We can speculate as much as we like but it’s nothing more than that because we don’t know our financial situation.

 

[brownblade]

Archer doesn’t really offer anything we don’t have at our academy already. He would not be a guaranteed starter, just another young player with potential to block our own academy progress.
He recently signed a 5 year deal with Villa, so he would not come cheap, either on loan or permanent.

Safe to say he's better than our academy players. Scored championship and Eng U21 goals already.

If comparing to Jebbison, I think they're different styles. But Jebbo hasn't screamed "ready" in his run outs last season.

 

[nopigfansintown]

United are in need of long term permanent signing regardless of divisional status next season or promotion prospects this season. Take a quick look at the squad, contractual situations and age profile. If we don't do this in January it'll be one permanent in five windows.

 

[Yewsman]

You also have to factor in parachute payments. These will be about £40 mill income to the club for last season and £35 mill for the current season. This is enabling us to support our current large squad and is obviously way more than other clubs get as income except those also relegated from PL like Burnley, Watford and Norwich. Next season the parachute payments for us will be about £15 mill (assuming we don’t get promoted). This would be a massive reduction in income so we if we are still in the Championship we will need to cut the wages bill accordingly and probably cash in by selling players. Basically it is shit or bust for us this season.

 

[BushBlade]

You also have to factor in parachute payments. These will be about £40 mill income to the club for last season and £35 mill for the current season. This is enabling us to support our current large squad and is obviously way more than other clubs get as income except those also relegated from PL like Burnley, Watford and Norwich. Next season the parachute payments for us will be about £15 mill (assuming we don’t get promoted). This would be a massive reduction in income so we if we are still in the Championship we will need to cut the wages bill accordingly and probably cash in by selling players. Basically it is shit or bust for us this season.

Very true but bear in mind the players took a wage reduction when we went down and, I’m pretty sure I’ve read in a source that I considered reliable at the time that they took another this season. So, our wage bill should have reduced a bit. I don’t know how much by. Also, we’ve got players out of contract and I think some of those won’t be renewed, I can’t see us keeping Enda, or Fleck, or Billy, which will reduce the wage bill further.

What I perceive as being the bigger problem is that we just won’t be able to offer new, acceptable contracts to our better younger players if PL clubs come in for them. We could, in the worst case, lose Berge, Ndiaye, RND, Anel and maybe Bogle if he has a good second half of the season. That will bring in plenty of cash and their might be enough from the sale of the first two to offer some of the others decent enough contracts for them to be prepared to give us another season. But it’s still going to be a big rebuild. We need to have better scouting than we’ve demonstrated over the last few seasons. Once we spend this money, if we still don’t go up, we’ll just be dependent on getting enough for the next lot of players we move on. Constantly selling can become an ever decreasing circle.

I’m not worried yet, a good rebuild using VFM signings and a couple of the youth players is feasible but it won’t be easy. Ideally, we go up this time, which is why, if there’s any money at all, we should be looking to strengthen. If there isn’t, then I’ll be saying our owner and the people running the club have been naive. But that’s for February, if at all.