Outgoing? John Lunsdtram

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

A season usually lasts 9 months, not 3.

That's twice as long as Mousset performed for

 

[SufcBilly]

Yeah I saw that and I dunno if I can believe that ? 20k for a 15/20 million pound player not too sure about that

If lundstram asking for 30k a week then that’s probably about right for a solid premier league midfielder which he proved last season

He’s not holding the club out to dry or been greedy he’s just asking for what players in comparison are getting.

Shame that he’ll end up leaving but he’ll get 30k at other clubs

What he's asking for and what he's worth are 2 separate things.

 

[Addison]

Yeah I saw that and I dunno if I can believe that ? 20k for a 15/20 million pound player not too sure about that

If lundstram asking for 30k a week then that’s probably about right for a solid premier league midfielder which he proved last season

He’s not holding the club out to dry or been greedy he’s just asking for what players in comparison are getting.

Shame that he’ll end up leaving but he’ll get 30k at other clubs

No-one is going to perjure themselves in Court and make up what a player is being paid. So McBurnie is on £20k a week. If that is true then Lundstram asking for £30k a week is not asking for what players in comparison are getting he's asking to be the best paid player at the Club. Maybe thats why the Club can't agree a deal with him.

 

[Blade58]

Not sure why many on here are arguing over Lunny

The fact is he won't sign the contract on offer, so it's goodbye

I don't see the point in discussing what we should or should not offer him. Wilder won't break the pay structure, has offered him a deal, the player refuses it so time to go and time for the club and supporters to move on

Whether anyone on here likes the player and his contribution, or they don't, really is irrelevant.

 

[blackydog]

Wilder wont bust our wage structure for no player ,we do miss signings because of it.
Not disagreeing with it either ,its the only way to run a football club .
If Lunnie or his agent think they can bully Wilder into submission ! No chance ! Its club policy.
Will be interesting to know who wants him,
cant think of any premiership club who is in a position to pay him a lot more than us.
He's had one good season at this level ,he's far from a proven premiership player.

Not saying you're wrong but who says it's club policy? McCabe is not long gone so was it his policy and princey has adopted the same? Alternatively it may have been McCabe's policy but princey see's it differently.
It would be quite natural for our players to question why they are only paid half of what other similar PL players are paid (wouldn't it?)

 

[blackydog]

No-one is going to perjure themselves in Court and make up what a player is being paid. So McBurnie is on £20k a week. If that is true then Lundstram asking for £30k a week is not asking for what players in comparison are getting he's asking to be the best paid player at the Club. Maybe thats why the Club can't agree a deal with him.

But which might also be the going rate for similar players elsewhere. I can see the argument both ways.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

What he's asking for and what he's worth are 2 separate things.

How do you know ? No one knows what he’s asking for

Maybe we’re offering 15k and lowballing him

 

[SufcBilly]

Not saying you're wrong but who says it's club policy? McCabe is not long gone so was it his policy and princey has adopted the same? Alternatively it may have been McCabe's policy but princey see's it differently.
It would be quite natural for our players to question why they are only paid half of what other similar PL players are paid (wouldn't it?)

You should find the forbes article with him from last week talking about a wage structure and a similar system to NFL where they have a salary cap. Said they wont make stupid decisions

 

[SufcBilly]

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[SufcBilly]

How do you know ? No one knows what he’s asking for

Maybe we’re offering 15k and lowballing him

Then we are offering what we think hes worth....

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Good luck Lunny, but hurry up and go so the football club can move on

I agree.

Always assuming somebody is prepared to take him and at a price satisfactory to us.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

No-one is going to perjure themselves in Court and make up what a player is being paid. So McBurnie is on £20k a week. If that is true then Lundstram asking for £30k a week is not asking for what players in comparison are getting he's asking to be the best paid player at the Club. Maybe thats why the Club can't agree a deal with him.

How do you know that’s not for his previous years salary at Swansea on a payroll.

If he is on 20 that would be the bare basic and it would be heavily bonus incentivised

 

[Grecian2000]

Mark Duffy: demands better contract despite being one of the likely high earners in the Championship team, being 33, and looking unlikely to play much for us in the future.

Reaction from some: it’s a shame Wilder hasn’t managed to find a way to keep him. Hope they can still work something out.

John Lundstram: demands better contract off the back of a successful PL season, likely on one of the lowest wages in the squad, is 26, likely to be backup if he remains.

Reaction from some: he can fuck right off, owes Wilder everything in his life, etc.

Isn't the difference in reaction somewhat (if not fully) explained by what they have done on the pitch for us?

It could easily be claimed that Duffy was bought when we were at a desperate point and helped transform us into what we have become.
Isn't the opposite a claim that could be levelled at Lunny (i.e. he joined a club on the up and barely played a part and now has been transformed by being with us)?

You earn the credit (nay, adulation) that supporters give, and this isn't a club where it comes easily and quickly.

 

[Roygbiv]

Glad I can start calling him Lungs Gone again at least

 

[Addison]

How do you know that’s not for his previous years salary at Swansea on a payroll.

If he is on 20 that would be the bare basic and it would be heavily bonus incentivised

The salary quoted in Court has to be his current earnings when the offence occurred. He was employed by SUFC when he was stopped for drink driving. Yes I've no doubt all the players are on basic wages heavily incentivised with bonuses that tends to be how football operates.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Isn't the difference in reaction somewhat (if not fully) explained by what they have done on the pitch for us?

It could easily be claimed that Duffy was bought when we were at a desperate point and helped transform us into what we have become.
Isn't the opposite a claim that could be levelled at Lunny (i.e. he joined a club on the up and barely played a part and now has been transformed by being with us)?

You earn the credit (nay, adulation) that supporters give, and this isn't a club where it comes easily and quickly.

Oh it’s completely down to emotional attachment rather than the cold hard reality of the situation. That’s why I wanted to draw the distinction.

You’ve even made that sort of assessment in what you’ve said – Duffy helped transform us to what we are, whereas we transformed Lundstram into what he was. There seems little credit given to Lundstram in helping us to become that excellent-looking Premier League outfit, through being one of our best players in those crucial initial months where we were getting to grips with the league. I find this a bit baffling tbh.

 

[Bladesman]

Mark Duffy: demands better contract despite being one of the likely high earners in the Championship team, being 33, and looking unlikely to play much for us in the future.

Reaction from some: it’s a shame Wilder hasn’t managed to find a way to keep him. Hope they can still work something out.

John Lundstram: demands better contract off the back of a successful PL season, likely on one of the lowest wages in the squad, is 26, likely to be backup if he remains.

Reaction from some: he can fuck right off, owes Wilder everything in his life, etc.

Difference with Duffy is that he has performed consistently over more than 1 season but still pushed his luck with his contract. Also, once we all saw his relatives slagging Wilder off the mood among fans quickly changed with Duffy. It went from "I hope they can work it out." to "Fuck him and his relatives." Duffy thought the grass was greener elsewhere and look how that has worked out for him.

Lundstram has performed for just half a season and will no doubt have been offered an improved deal but for whatever reason it isn't enough for him. As Wilder has said about both players there is a limit to what we can offer as a club.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

I'd be very interested to learn which four Prem clubs feel he could improve their midfield. I'd guess Burnley, Newcastle, West Brom and Southampton.

If he feels he can earn more and play more (especially as a DCM where he looks far more comfortable than RCM) elsewhere and wants to go then he leaves with everyone's best wishes.

I certainly think he's replaceable at RCM - my only concern is replacing his goals.

Reckon you can add Villa to that list -must be worth 20 million to them to 'protect' Greaselish - Lunny's tackle (sic) was best challenge I've seen in last 35 years
Previous best was any game that Joe Bolton played in

 

[Kanye]

as far as I can see the club haven't even confirmed that they're after these players, never mind on the verge of buying them.

What would be the sense in doing that?

 

[Guesty]

What would be the sense in doing that?

I'm not saying they should, my point is people are getting themselves in a tizzy thinking a signing is on the verge of being announced based on Twitter rumours and maybe the occasional word from a journalist...who based it on Twitter rumours.

We were about to sign Cakir a week ago, people were patting themselves on the back cos we'd signed Antonee Robinson, but none of it is based on solid intel, it's all whispers and hearsay. It just seems strange how things can get so worked up based on tweets.

I'm not having a dig at the club for not communicating their targets.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

it has been public knowledge for a long time that JL rejected the fresh terms offered.
So after the publicity by his agent , surely a club would have made an offer by now ?
Player doesn't have to be on the transfer list for offers to come in.
But no club has.
Why not ?
So now he's on the list - at his own request or has CW just put him there ?
You would think , if he has so many PL admirers , he must have requested it.
But I get the impression CW has done it , to get rid of JL's negative waves , the contract dispute + to salvage a fee before he walks for nowt.
JL has scored some good goals but he never looks like a natural on the ball to me.
He doesn't tend to keep it , carry it or run at defences with it.
I wouldn't let him go until we've got Cash & Swift in. For once the buyers will have to wait till WE get our targeted replacements.
I can't understand why he was so upset by Berge coming in because the latter was always going to be a Norwood replacement.
And in fact Berge was out of position + quite poor when he first came in , whereas Lunny looked good + I remember wondering why we'd got Berge when he was being subbed off for Lunny who looked good in comparison.
But no manager or squad can tolerate the mardiness JL's shown since lockdown - I really can't understand how such an attitude can help JL's cause either , in terms of what a new club might think of him.
Such a shame for both parties that we've got this toxic situation now + I rather feel we'll be having Berge , Cash & Swift duke it out for RMF , with the added tussle between Berge & Norwood for CMF and the one between Swift & Baldock for RWB.
My take is that JL will leave just when have the interesting situation of CMF , RMF & RWB being scrapped over by 5 right- footed players , of which he could have been one.
But if he can get more money elsewhere , then I understand his decision.

We don't know if any offers have / haven't been made
Perhaps he was /is "upset" precisely because "Berge was out of position+ quite poor....Lunny looked good..........subbed off for Lunny"?

 

[SufcBilly]

I'm not saying they should, my point is people are getting themselves in a tizzy thinking a signing is on the verge of being announced based on Twitter rumours and maybe the occasional word from a journalist...who based it on Twitter rumours.

We were about to sign Cakir a week ago, people were patting themselves on the back cos we'd signed Antonee Robinson, but none of it is based on solid intel, it's all whispers and hearsay. It just seems strange how things can get so worked up based on tweets.

I'm not having a dig at the club for not communicating their targets.

I think there would have to be alot of people playing the game for the Robinson one to be just a rumour and nothing substantial in it. Cakir one im not sure as to the legitimacy due to it being from Turksih media but understand you points

 

[Guesty]

I think there would have to be alot of people playing the game for the Robinson one to be just a rumour and nothing substantial in it. Cakir one im not sure as to the legitimacy due to it being from Turksih media but understand you points

I think the Robinson one certainly has some legs (I'm firmly not ITK, just based on what I've read) but people were acting like it was a done deal a couple of days ago, congratulating the club for getting it done etc. when it was all still paper talk.

As for Cakir, we may be in for him, we may not, but the way some people were acting, based only on a few translated tweets, you'd be forgiven for thinking he had already met up witht the squad and been assigned a shirt number.

 

[Chabuddy G]

Proven?

Well he is to be fair to him?

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Osi’s take was that as far as your lifestyle and family are concerned there is little if any difference between 2m a year and 3m.

This is an important point. I listened to a feature on Talksport last year, it was genuinely the only useful feature I've ever heard on that station. I forgot the guest's name, but he was economist and he presented a model of proportionate wealth.

He argued you only need a certain amount of income to a certain level to bring discernible improvements to your quality of life. Beyond that, and it's just surplus wealth. He was proposing it to the FA as model of financial, ethcial and economical responsibility and sustainability.

Beyond the initial threshold any extra wealth (an extra £1m here and there) per player doesn't bring about meaningful improvements to your life. He's imploring football clubs to come together to be collectively responsible and that extra money which they throw at players could instead be used to benefit their local communities. Interesting idea, would need complete unanimous consent though.

He went as far as to suggest that each division should have a standard annual salary for players. So your Agueros get paid the same as your Lundstrams. Then everything else beyond that is incentive based: appearances, goals, assists, the position your team finishes, cup wins etc. So the truly successful receive the recognition that they deserve and those who are intent on being big earners have to work for it, and the bigger clubs can still tout for those sought after players i.e. "come to us, you're more likely to win, so you'll earn more".

 

[Kanye]

I'm not saying they should, my point is people are getting themselves in a tizzy thinking a signing is on the verge of being announced based on Twitter rumours and maybe the occasional word from a journalist...who based it on Twitter rumours.

We were about to sign Cakir a week ago, people were patting themselves on the back cos we'd signed Antonee Robinson, but none of it is based on solid intel, it's all whispers and hearsay. It just seems strange how things can get so worked up based on tweets.

I'm not having a dig at the club for not communicating their targets.

I see what you're saying mate, I understand your point.

Personally, I'm a "don't count your chickens" kind of person. I won't be celebrating any signing until I see them awkwardly holding a scarf/shirt on the official social media outlets.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

I know. I’ve said above that he could have signed that.

You also said he was underpaid.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

You also said he was underpaid.

Yes. As I said, both are true.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Yes. As I said, both are true.

Perhaps turning down a payrise might have contributed to his wage being lower than some who agreed to a payrise.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Perhaps turning down a payrise might have contributed to his wage being lower than some who agreed to a payrise.

As you clearly missed it, here it is

At the same time, by not signing a new deal he’s probably done himself out of a chunk of earnings, so of course he could have affected his own situation.