Outgoing? John Lunsdtram

[Weneverscorefromcorners]

I can't agree with this. He is a very solid defensive unit. Rarely caught out of position yet gets forward often and has a hard accurate shot in both feet. Has the vision and ability for long passes that turn defences. I believe we will greatly miss Lunny's contributions if he does go.

He was the player you describe for a 2 or 3 month period when he was motivated and wanted to prove us wrong but like I say I honestly think that he will never recapture that and hes actually pretty crap.

 

[LJBlade]

We won't miss his contribution after lockdown he was terrible just didn't look bothered.
He looked Ok Pre lockdown chipped in with a few goals, but he is basically a squad player could never really see him as a starter.
We have made him an offer he doesn't want to accept it for whatever reason so we sell him.
I wish him well and Good luck but I will not be losing any sleep over him going.

He was just as good as anyone else in the first few games after the restart and then he dislocated his shoulder. Our lack of squad depth meant he was required to play through injury and it was clear that it was giving him a lot of pain.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

He was the player you describe for a 2 or 3 month period when he was motivated and wanted to prove us wrong but like I say I honestly think that he will never recapture that and hes actually pretty crap.

What are you on about are you forgetting his performance when we beat palace when he came on for berge ? More like the majority of the season

And it’s not really fair to judge him post lockdown he can’t really do much sat on the bench

 

[mattbianco1]

Pay him £40k pw is £2m a season, find a replacement that knows our "unique" system and it will cost a least £10m + wages, and then it will take at least 6 months to fit in, ala Osborn or not yet ala Berge. Its braindead to let him go with such little cover, 4 weeks prior to a new season.

I don't think Osborn took 6 months to fit in, like Luke Freeman, chance were just hard to come by due to the effectiveness of Fleck and Stevens.

I was surprised Osborn got the role over Freeman though when Fleck got inured. Certainly took the chance well.

If a club had put in an offer for him , why would we need to put him on our transfer list ?
Strikes me no club has put in an offer and we've had to transfer list him to drum up interest , which looks bleak for us getting a decent fee.

I think this could be a ploy by Wilder. Look what happened to K. Freeman and Coutts when they were listed. This may be Wilder saying to Lundstram "come on, the offer is actually a massive increase and brings you in line with the rest of the squad... now pull up your socks and fight for your place"

 

[Bladesman]

Some people just want a party to blame in these situations when there doesn't have to be one.

If he goes to West Ham he can get fucked though

Does that mean HammerInPeace won't be welcome here?

 

[bromtom]

What are you on about are you forgetting his performance when we beat palace when he came on for berge ? More like the majority of the season

And it’s not really fair to judge him post lockdown he can’t really do much sat on the bench

He'd just come back in for that after being dropped for Besic due to being a liability for a couple of games though, so it's not like we put Berge ahead of him just because we'd spent some money on him. That's Lunny's thing, he's good but he can't be good without some rests, and when it becomes clear he needs a rest, he's absolutely useless. Maybe he can become more consistent, who knows. I like Lunny though, hope he doesn't go unless it's got very decent money.

I do think his attitude to the club getting competition in was absolutely horrendous though, so he can fuck off in that regard.

Part of football and good for the club, fight for your place, don't get mardy and do celebrations where you point to yourself and generally look like you're doing us a favour and can't wait to go home when you come on.

 

[HammerInPeace]

Question is, how much are they offering us?

A lifetime's supply of free jellied eels..

 

[Davalon]

Does that mean HammerInPeace won't be welcome here?

Nah. HammerInPeace is a good lad/lass ⚒

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

A lifetime's supply of free jellied eels..

I've heard we're holding out for some silver buttons as well .

 

[Ivanhoe]

He will always be remembered for “That Tackle”.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

A lifetime's supply of free jellied eels..

Bollocks to that shite. Make it pie and mash, but none of that green algae pond watter you slosh on it.

 

[Keen Blade]

Any bids yet , Dad ?

 

[Blade56]

Does Lunny have a Skills vid?

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

He'd just come back in for that after being dropped for Besic due to being a liability for a couple of games though, so it's not like we put Berge ahead of him just because we'd spent some money on him. That's Lunny's thing, he's good but he can't be good without some rests, and when it becomes clear he needs a rest, he's absolutely useless. Maybe he can become more consistent, who knows. I like Lunny though, hope he doesn't go unless it's got very decent money.

I do think his attitude to the club getting competition in was absolutely horrendous though, so he can fuck off in that regard.

Part of football and good for the club, fight for your place, don't get mardy and do celebrations where you point to yourself and generally look like you're doing us a favour and can't wait to go home when you come on.

I dunno when you mean lunny got dropped for besic I’m not sure that happened.

Is that the same lunny who spent all last year getting slated by the same fans slating him now who then went away spent pre season getting fit instead of getting pissed in Ibiza
Then took his chance and became a solid prem player out if nowhere , must have a terrible attitude that lad

If he does go then it would be a shame he was quality the first half of the seaon. Then didn’t get much of a look in at starting when we signed berge

 

[Niceguyeddie]

I dunno when you mean lunny got dropped for besic I’m not sure that happened.

Is that the same lunny who spent all last year getting slated by the same fans slating him now who then went away spent pre season getting fit instead of getting pissed in Ibiza
Then took his chance and became a solid prem player out if nowhere , must have a terrible attitude that lad

If he does go then it would be a shame he was quality the first half of the seaon. Then didn’t get much of a look in at starting when we signed berge

He got dropped for besic just before berge signed
Besic played really well for a few games but was never seen again

 

[Keen Blade]

Does Lunny have a Skills vid?

Not needed , nor did he need to be on the transfer list.
There are 4 PL clubs who've been putting bids in to us for many months.
We are set to receive a huge fee from a bidding war , such is the competition to sign him.

 

[SUFCinks]

People slating lunnies performances post lockdown must of turned a blind eye to the rest of the squad. All performances massively dropped from literally everyone apart from maybe bash and baldock. Funny how he’s become a target for fans, pretty embarrassing considering how important hes been.

Anyone know how much it would cost to replace a premier league midfielder with 5 goals and 3 assists in 27 starts. Stats put him in top 100 in the league for tackles, passes, through balls, goals, Assists, crosses, and shots. So statistically he is comfortably in the top half of player in the league (20 teams x 11 starting players = 220 players). fantastic considering hes been mainly bench warming since COVID.

 

[bromtom]

I dunno when you mean lunny got dropped for besic I’m not sure that happened.

Is that the same lunny who spent all last year getting slated by the same fans slating him now who then went away spent pre season getting fit instead of getting pissed in Ibiza
Then took his chance and became a solid prem player out if nowhere , must have a terrible attitude that lad

If he does go then it would be a shame he was quality the first half of the seaon. Then didn’t get much of a look in at starting when we signed berge

Well done, you completely ignored everything I said.

Do a bit of googling, Lundstram had some shocking games starting around Man City/Liverpool away, and Besic was either replacing him or starting ahead of him, then Berge signed and went in ahead of both, at the time quite a few on here were wondering how Besic had fell below Lundstram such were the levels of his performance at that time.

Don't know where I mentioned his attitude in summer? He had a great summer, kudos to him. His attitude since Berge signed has absolutely honked though and with Berge's games before the restart, he had plenty of time to make an impression and change Wilder's mind - he could only do about 60 minutes, he didn't have a full 90 until Spurs at home, it's not like Lunny has been rotting on the bench. He looks mardy, he's being a bellend with his celebrations shooing teammates away and pointing at himself, and generally doesn't look that fussed about playing for us.

I've been one of his biggest fans too, I even said I thought he'd be decent in the Premier League before it had even started before you accuse me of anti Lundstram bias.

 

[Heffernans tache]

Theres only 2 places I can see him going, Palace and fucking Burnley.

 

[Roygbiv]

Lundstram had definitely tailed off before Berge came in. His last really good game for us was away at Brighton in December. He never got close to that level again in his following 8 starts and had lost his place to Besic by the time Berge came in.

I don't think it's an attitude problem, I think he just levelled out to what his actual ability is. A decent squad player.

 

[Booker4]

Lundstram had definitely tailed off before Berge came in. His last really good game for us was away at Brighton in December. He never got close to that level again in his following 8 starts and had lost his place to Besic by the time Berge came in.

I don't think it's an attitude problem, I think he just levelled out to what his actual ability is. A decent squad player.

He seemed back to his best v Southampton but I wonder if that was motivated by knowing it was his likely to be his last game for us and an opportunity to put himself in the shop window.

 

[Roygbiv]

He seemed back to his best v Southampton but I wonder if that was motivated by knowing it was his likely to be his last game for us and an opportunity to put himself in the shop window.

First half I agree but we were better as a team first half. Second half he lost his way like the rest of them.

I think he's had some decent performances since Christmas. Palace away and Norwich at home for instance but I personally think the inconsistency post November is the real Lundstram. Not the mega Steven Gerrard type player we saw in that purple patch from the 4 months before.

I like him and I think he's a great squad player. One who could easily push himself back into the first 11 but I just don't feel that 4 month period is a realistic representation of what he actually is.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

First half I agree but we were better as a team first half. Second half he lost his way like the rest of them.

I think he's had some decent performances since Christmas. Palace away and Norwich at home for instance but I personally think the inconsistency post November is the real Lundstram. Not the mega Steven Gerrard type player we saw in that purple patch from the 4 months before.

I like him and I think he's a great squad player. One who could easily push himself back into the first 11 but I just don't feel that 4 month period is a realistic representation of what he actually is.

He's done nothing wrong and has surprised us all with his performances. Fleck/Norwood/Berge all have bigger contracts than Lunny and I don't blame him for wanting an equal piece of the pie based on performances. However if Wilder says he's not worth what he wants he has to go or accept it, that's life.

 

[Charlieblade]

He's done nothing wrong and has surprised us all with his performances. Fleck/Norwood/Berge all have bigger contracts than Lunny and I don't blame him for wanting an equal piece of the pie based on performances. However if Wilder says he's not worth what he wants he has to go or accept it, that's life.

I disagree that he worth the same as Norwood, Fleck and Berge. They are all players who have proved their value over a longer period.
Lundstram has shown a poor attitude on the pitch, and he disagrees with Wilders valuation. Guess who will win that debate?
Roy has sussed the lad spot on.

 

[Mouth of the South]

I do have some sympathy for Lundstram. I felt it unfair that he automatically lost his place in the team when Berge was signed and only seemed to come on when Berge had run out of steam. Neither of them are natural RCMs but out of the two Lundstram probably offers more, certainly in terms of goal threat.
However, given the apparent gulf between the salary the player wants and what the club have offered, and the length of time it has dragged on for, it now seems inevitable he'll be sold.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I think some on this thread are misremembering Besic’s time if they are suggesting that Lundstram had somehow lost his place to him. Besic started twice, a month apart, both against Man City. There was absolutely no indication on that last start that he had been poised to take over from Lundstram for an extended period only for Berge to scupper that. I don’t think anyone can really say with confidence that Besic would have otherwise started at palace.

I‘d actually wanted Besic to start a bit more in the Dec/Jan period. But much like Wilder approached Stevens and Fleck after the restart, he seemed more keen on trying to get Lundstram to play his way back into form rather than be taken out of the team.

 

[Rocketmark66]

Wasn’t it confirmed recently via court papers that McBurnie is on £20k a week as his base salary? There will be bonuses but we’re not big payers in the slightest at Premier League level.

Lundstram is still on his original contract he signed when joining (I think). So even with the promotion bonus I can’t imagine he’s on much more than £10k a week. I think he’s probably looking at doubling that. He absolutely would do elsewhere in the Premier League.

If only Lundstram would've got done as well for drink driving in November, then we'd all know wot his basic wage would be.
But then again, this thread might've only lasted for 2 or 3 pages.
How boring would that have been.

 

[Roygbiv]

I think some on this thread are misremembering Besic’s time if they are suggesting that Lundstram had somehow lost his place to him. Besic started twice, a month apart, both against Man City. There was absolutely no indication on that last start that he had been poised to take over from Lundstram for an extended period only for Berge to scupper that. I don’t think anyone can really say with confidence that Besic would have otherwise started at palace.

I‘d actually wanted Besic to start a bit more in the Dec/Jan period. But much like Wilder approached Stevens and Fleck after the restart, he seemed more keen on trying to get Lundstram to play his way back into form rather than be taken out of the team.

He was taken off fairly early on for Besic in the games before the City home game. That didn't happen at any point in the early games of the season. I remember many fans like yourself (me included) who wanted him dropped

 

[LoughboroBlade]

He was taken off fairly early on for Besic in the games before the City home game. That didn't happen at any point in the early games of the season. I remember many fans like yourself (me included) who wanted him dropped

But I think this was reflective of his form, and the sense that he was starting to look knackered. The fact was despite Besic looking a bit brighter, he simply wasn’t getting the starts (a source of much frustration for some). And when Berge came in, it was Besic that dropped out of the league squad, not Lundstram. I just don’t think it’s accurate to say that at any point in the season did Besic oust Lundstram for that role – he had two spot starts (the first because Lundstram failed a late fitness test, the second because Lundstram had “covered a lot of miles” as Wilder put it in the period before), and that was his season.

On questions over his attitude which seem to persist, looking mardy etc as some in this thread have said, I’d recommend listening again to Wilder’s post-match interview vs Norwich after he came back in.

“If you analyse his performances, and we have to always, then he needed to come out of the team.

“Then we had an opportunity of signing Sander and he has come in and played a part in three out of four wins and we have good players.

“Players shouldn’t be scared or shy of competition and challenges and John hasn’t been. I am not surprised, it just epitomises the group and the culture we are trying to create here.

“The way he has been in the changing room when he hasn’t played has been exemplary and then he comes back in and plays like he has. I think that’s a fantastic example of how you should be as a professional footballer.

“Take the disappointments on the chin and enjoy the good times when they are happening. Be humble and take that opportunity to step back in and take it when you get back in.

“There’s no downside for spitting your dummy out, no downside at all, and that’s the culture we have tried to create.”

Football Heaven - Wilder: 'Great day for the football club' - BBC Sounds

Chris Wilder after United's home win against Norwich.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[bramptonblade]

He's done nothing wrong and has surprised us all with his performances. Fleck/Norwood/Berge all have bigger contracts than Lunny and I don't blame him for wanting an equal piece of the pie based on performances. However if Wilder says he's not worth what he wants he has to go or accept it, that's life.

Can't agree with that, I quite like the lad but he's a mile behind in skill with Fleck and Norwood and Berge's potential is immense. I worry about his attitude when he could show his real worth by being consistently good on the pitch instead of spitting his dummy out!
UTB!