Outgoing? John Lunsdtram

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

5 goals & 3 assists in 36 games is a great return to be fair to Lundstram.

He's a real enigma, he has almost the full package in terms of attributes (speed, strength, right foot, left foot, physicality, technical qualities, good in the final third) to be a superb midfielder, he just rarely combines all of them consistently over a 90 minute period, or for a prolonged spell of games. I wouldn't be surprised to see him make a success of himself, at the same time I wouldn't be surprised to see him warm a bench for the next few seasons. GLTTL either way.

I'd be very interested to learn which four Prem clubs feel he could improve their midfield. I'd guess Burnley, Newcastle, West Brom and Southampton.

If he feels he can earn more and play more (especially as a DCM where he looks far more comfortable than RCM) elsewhere and wants to go then he leaves with everyone's best wishes.

I certainly think he's replaceable at RCM - my only concern is replacing his goals.

Roll these two posts together and you've got the fairest summary of the situation and Lunny's contribution for me, being fair to the lad. He helped out massively in the first half of the season, exceeded our expectations and proved many of us wrong.

Second half of season he offered very little and was on the downward whilst Berge grew in his role.

As for goals, he can prove me wrong, but I see last season as a purple patch.

 

[Blade58]

West Ham and Moyes interested perhaps?

Report: West Ham boss David Moyes has 'cast admiring glances' at Sheffield United ace

West Ham boss David Moyes is a keen admirer of Sheffield United midfielder John Lundstram, according to the Sheffield Star.

www.hammers.news

 

[Mojo]

My only issue with this is, if lunny goes elsewhere and gets top money, will it unsettle the rest of our squad when they hear how much he's on

 

[Hamburg Blade]

It doesn’t make sense for both parties - we offered him a fucking good new contract and he has repeatedly turned it down.

Can you put some figures behind your statements? I haven't seen anything in detail - what were the conditions of the contract?

Wilder wanted him - the guys who made him wanted him - and he wanted to milk us dry or walk away.

Can you be more specific on the figures that would milk the club dry?

I think he was just what we need, hard, athletic, 90-minute guy like Bash - and with 2 good feet. But the guy he looks at when he shaves only sees one person, not the people who have put him there.

Do you have any quotes or statements from Lundstram to back up your assertion that he isn't in the least bit grateful for the opportunities he's been given? Other than an assumption that if you don't take what's given to you, you must be a selfish twat.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

On the John Lundstram thing, he hasn't been "underpaid for several years" as one poster claimed.

If that’s aimed at me, I said he will have been underpaid last season rather than the previous 2 – if you think through what his likely wage is, his contribution to the team this year, and the likely wages of the rest of the squad, I don’t think that’s in any way controversial to suggest. I’m fairly confident that of the Premier League players that started more than half of last season’s games, he’ll have been bottom of the pile by some distance. In fact he probably would be if you lowered that to those starting 5 games.

I don’t for the record think there are any villains here. Lundstram feels he’s not paid what he’s worth (he’s not), he feels he can get a particular wage in this league (he probably can) and we have offered him a wage reflective of his position in the squad (which will be substantially more than he’s on now, but less than what he feels he can get elsewhere). If he’s going to be a backup player next season I don’t think he’s in the wrong for wanting to be a better paid backup player elsewhere.

 

[Chabuddy G]

If it's all about money, rather than playing for this incredible football club under the best management duo in world football - cya. off to Moyes and West Ham you fuck.

He'll be back in the Championship in 12 months.

 

[dillis]

If we’ve offered £15/20k a week you can see why he’s staling. He probably gets £40k a week if he joins West Ham, all these slagging him need to get real, he doesn’t owe us anything.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

If that’s aimed at me, I said he will have been underpaid last season rather than the previous 2 – if you think through what his likely wage is, his contribution to the team this year, and the likely wages of the rest of the squad, I don’t think that’s in any way controversial to suggest. I’m fairly confident that of the Premier League players that started more than half of last season’s games, he’ll have been bottom of the pile by some distance. In fact he probably would be if you lowered that to those starting 5 games.

I don’t for the record think there are any villains here. Lundstram feels he’s not paid what he’s worth (he’s not), he feels he can get a particular wage in this league (he probably can) and we have offered him a wage reflective of his position in the squad (which will be substantially more than he’s on now, but less than what he feels he can get elsewhere). If he’s going to be a backup player next season I don’t think he’s in the wrong for wanting to be a better paid backup player elsewhere.

It was aimed at you, I just couldn't be bothered to find the quote I read yesterday.

I think our thoughts are more-or-less aligned, it wasn't meant as a jibe.

In fairness I think almost everyone is on the same page on this one. We maybe just place greater weighting on different elements of the argument.

 

[Tarqs]

Pay him £40k pw is £2m a season, find a replacement that knows our "unique" system and it will cost a least £10m + wages, and then it will take at least 6 months to fit in, ala Osborn or not yet ala Berge. Its braindead to let him go with such little cover, 4 weeks prior to a new season.

So because it looks financially prudent, you believe he should be given highest wages at the club or thereabouts? Don't you then think you'll get at least 7 other players wanting rises thereafter?

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

I listened to a podcast of Osi Umenyiora and Jason Bell the ex NFL players and they were discussing contracts and wages. Osi’s take was that as far as your lifestyle and family are concerned there is little if any difference between 2m a year and 3m. Hard for mere mortals like me to get their head round this where Lunny’s proposed contract (even at low payers like us) is maybe as much if not more a week than most of us get a year but it does make some sense.
If Lunny isn’t happy here for football reasons then fair enough he should go. If he’s holding out just to be slightly richer than before then he maybe needs to listen to that because it’s not really that much difference according to these guys.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

OK but we have a year of this

Whereas with a release clause he's playing for a move and doesn't need to worry about injury because he's under contract. Unless we buy at least 2 more midfielders he is still a necessary part of the match day squad and midfield alongside defence are the least demanding areas for improvement.

He will play a part while still here,if we dont sign anything better,but he wont be giving his all,extension contract or not.

 

[vas borbokis]

Maybe the problem is Wilder won't play nicely with Lunny's agent after the nonsense he went through with Duffy. Maybe if Lunny got himself a different agent then maybe a better deal all round could be worked out?

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

I listened to a podcast of Osi Umenyiora and Jason Bell the ex NFL players and they were discussing contracts and wages. Osi’s take was that as far as your lifestyle and family are concerned there is little if any difference between 2m a year and 3m. Hard for mere mortals like me to get their head round this where Lunny’s proposed contract (even at low payers like us) is maybe as much if not more a week than most of us get a year but it does make some sense.
If Lunny isn’t happy here for football reasons then fair enough he should go. If he’s holding out just to be slightly richer than before then he maybe needs to listen to that because it’s not really that much difference according to these guys.

An additional net £10k a week doesn't make much difference for a person in a career that lasts about 5 seasons? Remind me not to take financial advice from Osi Umenyiora.

 

[Chabuddy G]

You don't make a player who isn't even first choice one of your highest earners

It's Wednesday economics

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

An additional net £10k a week doesn't make much difference for a person in a career that lasts about 5 seasons? Remind me not to take financial advice from Osi Umenyiora.

Not sure that’s exactly what he was saying he just said the difference in terms of lifestyle isn’t that different at those high wage structures. Given he was talking about NFL players whose careers are the same length if not arguably shorter there is some correlation between the careers at the highest levels.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Not sure that’s exactly what he was saying he just said the difference in terms of lifestyle isn’t that different at those high wage structures. Given he was talking about NFL players whose careers are the same length if not arguably shorter there is some correlation between the careers at the highest levels.

He comes from humble stock and as a professional NFL player he basically won the physical lottery.

For his brief super earning window, his salary should allow him to create generational wealth. To ensure that he never has to work again after his playing career ends, and that his children, and his children's children, and his children's children's children are set for life. They can have the best education that money can buy from 5 to 21, and then the freedom to do what ever they want. The ability for social mobility on a scale beyond 99.9% of the population. He & other top end professional sportsmen/women should be living off 10% of their income and banking 90%.

An additional net £500k a year furthers this. If what he is saying that on $2m he'd bought all the fast cars, swiss watches and designer gear that he needed, and the additional $1m didn't move him up into the LearJet and race horse league, then the bloke is a cretin. 78% of NFL players who are retired for only two years file for bankruptcy, when at the very worst they should be set for life.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

If that’s aimed at me, I said he will have been underpaid last season rather than the previous 2 – if you think through what his likely wage is, his contribution to the team this year, and the likely wages of the rest of the squad, I don’t think that’s in any way controversial to suggest. I’m fairly confident that of the Premier League players that started more than half of last season’s games, he’ll have been bottom of the pile by some distance. In fact he probably would be if you lowered that to those starting 5 games.

I don’t for the record think there are any villains here. Lundstram feels he’s not paid what he’s worth (he’s not), he feels he can get a particular wage in this league (he probably can) and we have offered him a wage reflective of his position in the squad (which will be substantially more than he’s on now, but less than what he feels he can get elsewhere). If he’s going to be a backup player next season I don’t think he’s in the wrong for wanting to be a better paid backup player elsewhere.

He was offered a new deal in 2019 which he didn't accept.

 

[Harrisblade]

An additional net £500k a year furthers this. If what he is saying that on $2m he'd bought all the fast cars, swiss watches and designer gear that he needed, and the additional $1m didn't move him up into the LearJet and race horse league, then the bloke is a cretin. 78% of NFL players who are retired for only two years file for bankruptcy, when at the very worst they should be set for life.

Nope

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The aircraft maker talks to CNET about advances made in the 50 years since its first private jet took to the skies.

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[SufcBilly]

If you think Lundstram is worth the wage figures that have been banded about you're more of a problem than him asking for such wages. Wont be missed remotely, get him gone. As you can tell i sit on the fence regarding Lundstram.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

He comes from humble stock and as a professional NFL player he basically won the physical lottery.

For his brief super earning window, his salary should allow him to create generational wealth. To ensure that he never has to work again after his playing career ends, and that his children, and his children's children, and his children's children's children are set for life. They can have the best education that money can buy from 5 to 21, and then the freedom to do what ever they want. The ability for social mobility on a scale beyond 99.9% of the population. He & other top end professional sportsmen/women should be living off 10% of their income and banking 90%.

An additional net £500k a year furthers this. If what he is saying that on $2m he'd bought all the fast cars, swiss watches and designer gear that he needed, and the additional $1m didn't move him up into the LearJet and race horse league, then the bloke is a cretin. 78% of NFL players who are retired for only two years file for bankruptcy, when at the very worst they should be set for life.

Give it a listen sometime, it’s not my argument it’s his.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Who is on £40k/week at Utd? I'm not aware of any players bring paid that much

You must be in cloud cuckoo land if you don’t think our main players are on that .

Even if there not they should be , and if we’re not gonna pay the going rate then they won’t stay for long there heads will be turned and they’ll be off

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

If you think Lundstram is worth the wage figures that have been banded about you're more of a problem than him asking for such wages. Wont be missed remotely, get him gone. As you can tell i sit on the fence regarding Lundstram.

He’s a proven premier league midfielder (see last season) it’s not whether he deserves it. It’s the going rate for premier league players.

2nd top goalscorer from midfield but won’t be missed

Too fickle some our fans

 

[BanderSerge]

He’s a proven premier league midfielder (see last season) it’s not whether he deserves it. It’s the going rate for premier league players.

2nd top goalscorer from midfield but won’t be missed

Too fickle some our fans

Proven?

 

[LoughboroBlade]

He was offered a new deal in 2019 which he didn't accept.

I know. I’ve said above that he could have signed that.

 

[finlaytheblade]

You don't make a player who isn't even first choice one of your highest earners

It's Wednesday economics

Wilder wont bust our wage structure for no player ,we do miss signings because of it.
Not disagreeing with it either ,its the only way to run a football club .
If Lunnie or his agent think they can bully Wilder into submission ! No chance ! Its club policy.
Will be interesting to know who wants him,
cant think of any premiership club who is in a position to pay him a lot more than us.
He's had one good season at this level ,he's far from a proven premiership player.

 

[LondonBlade89]

You must be in cloud cuckoo land if you don’t think our main players are on that .

Even if there not they should be , and if we’re not gonna pay the going rate then they won’t stay for long there heads will be turned and they’ll be off

Wasn’t it confirmed recently via court papers that McBurnie is on £20k a week as his base salary? There will be bonuses but we’re not big payers in the slightest at Premier League level.

Lundstram is still on his original contract he signed when joining (I think). So even with the promotion bonus I can’t imagine he’s on much more than £10k a week. I think he’s probably looking at doubling that. He absolutely would do elsewhere in the Premier League.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Proven?

So scoring 5 goals in 20 odd starts from midfield in your First season been one of our stand out players desnt make him proven ?
Is Norwood proven ? Is JOC proven ?

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Wasn’t it confirmed recently via court papers that McBurnie is on £20k a week as his base salary? There will be bonuses but we’re not big payers in the slightest at Premier League level.

Lundstram is still on his original contract he signed when joining (I think). So even with the promotion bonus I can’t imagine he’s on much more than £10k a week. I think he’s probably looking at doubling that. He absolutely would do elsewhere in the Premier League.

Yeah I saw that and I dunno if I can believe that ? 20k for a 15/20 million pound player not too sure about that

If lundstram asking for 30k a week then that’s probably about right for a solid premier league midfielder which he proved last season

He’s not holding the club out to dry or been greedy he’s just asking for what players in comparison are getting.

Shame that he’ll end up leaving but he’ll get 30k at other clubs

 

[BanderSerge]

A season usually lasts 9 months, not 3.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Mark Duffy: demands better contract despite being one of the likely high earners in the Championship team, being 33, and looking unlikely to play much for us in the future.

Reaction from some: it’s a shame Wilder hasn’t managed to find a way to keep him. Hope they can still work something out.

John Lundstram: demands better contract off the back of a successful PL season, likely on one of the lowest wages in the squad, is 26, likely to be backup if he remains.

Reaction from some: he can fuck right off, owes Wilder everything in his life, etc.