Jimmy Hagan

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Inside the book he do's say' Jimmy was the oldest player to play in first class league and cup games.
do's this make a difference ?
 

Our greatest player, never mind Currie.

He also stayed until the end, knocked back a move to Wednesday, and rather than Currie, opted not to jump ship to another club for his own benefit.

Nothing wrong with it, his prerogative.

I suppose in the conversation should also be the Prince of Halfbacks, Ernest Needham, but so long ago, nobody living can attest. Back in the day when we won stuff!

Jimmy Dunne incredibly prolific and Harry Johnson, our top scorer ever, also far back now that few living can recall them.
 
Champagneblade said:
Our greatest player, never mind Currie.

He also stayed until the end, knocked back a move to Wednesday, and rather than Currie, opted not to jump ship to another club for his own benefit.

Nothing wrong with it, his prerogative.

I suppose in the conversation should also be the Prince of Halfbacks, Ernest Needham, but so long ago, nobody living can attest. Back in the day when we won stuff!

Jimmy Dunne incredibly prolific and Harry Johnson, our top scorer ever, also far back now that few living can recall them.
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The top 3 are without doubt Needham, Currie and Hagan.

Greatest player? Personally, I'd say it's Needham. His record is outstanding. Hagan was a great player, but his single England cap tends to suggest there were better contemporary players. Needham won 16, in an era of 3 games a season. There was arguably no one better than him in the League at that time (certainly in the position he played). He was also dealing with on field tactics.
 
Revolution said:
The top 3 are without doubt Needham, Currie and Hagan.

Greatest player? Personally, I'd say it's Needham. His record is outstanding. Hagan was a great player, but his single England cap tends to suggest there were better contemporary players. Needham won 16, in an era of 3 games a season. There was arguably no one better than him in the League at that time (certainly in the position he played). He was also dealing with on field tactics.
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When talking about our best ever players, we should include William “Fatty” Foulke surely? He played nearly 300 games for the mighty Blades and helped us win 2 F.A. Cups and the League championship. We’ll never know how good or influential he was, of course, but the fact that everyone has still heard of him makes me think there was quite a player there…as well a huuuuuge personality.

He gets my vote…🥳
 
Revolution said:
The top 3 are without doubt Needham, Currie and Hagan.

Greatest player? Personally, I'd say it's Needham. His record is outstanding. Hagan was a great player, but his single England cap tends to suggest there were better contemporary players. Needham won 16, in an era of 3 games a season. There was arguably no one better than him in the League at that time (certainly in the position he played). He was also dealing with on field tactics.
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I think you are being unfair on Hagan. He did win 16 war time caps for England.
 
Champagneblade said:
Our greatest player, never mind Currie.

He also stayed until the end, knocked back a move to Wednesday, and rather than Currie, opted not to jump ship to another club for his own benefit.

Nothing wrong with it, his prerogative.

I suppose in the conversation should also be the Prince of Halfbacks, Ernest Needham, but so long ago, nobody living can attest. Back in the day when we won stuff!

Jimmy Dunne incredibly prolific and Harry Johnson, our top scorer ever, also far back now that few living can recall them.
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My Blades all-time fantasy team has a midfield three of Needham, Hagan and Currie. (With Bob Booker on the bench in case we switch to a four.)
 
Champagneblade said:
Our greatest player, never mind Currie.

He also stayed until the end, knocked back a move to Wednesday, and rather than Currie, opted not to jump ship to another club for his own benefit.

Nothing wrong with it, his prerogative.

I suppose in the conversation should also be the Prince of Halfbacks, Ernest Needham, but so long ago, nobody living can attest. Back in the day when we won stuff!

Jimmy Dunne incredibly prolific and Harry Johnson, our top scorer ever, also far back now that few living can recall them.
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Champagneblade said:
Our greatest player, never mind Currie.

He also stayed until the end, knocked back a move to Wednesday, and rather than Currie, opted not to jump ship to another club for his own benefit.

Nothing wrong with it, his prerogative.

I suppose in the conversation should also be the Prince of Halfbacks, Ernest Needham, but so long ago, nobody living can attest. Back in the day when we won stuff!

Jimmy Dunne incredibly prolific and Harry Johnson, our top scorer ever, also far back now that few living can recall them.
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I just loved watching Jimmy, his skill and ball control were just sublime. Today's players are fitter and generally the game is much faster, but it is only possible to judge merit based on the time frame in which they played. On this basis my vote is for Jimmy, followed by TC.
 
Silent Blade said:
I think you are being unfair on Hagan. He did win 16 war time caps for England.
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A fair point, although of course Hagan had the advantage of being available to play. Some other players could not do this.

I still say there is no argument that Hagan was the best player of his time in the league. There is that argument for Needham.

Hagan was a great player, no question, and everyone alive now who saw him play says he's the best United player they've ever seen. But Needham's achievements are too big to ignore IMHO.
 
Silent Blade said:
I think you are being unfair on Hagan. He did win 16 war time caps for England.
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I understood that Hagen had a big falling out with Winterbottom and, (maybe) because of that, never played another game for England.
 
Given the term "all time greatest" we had 36 continuous seasons in the top division.Winning all our major honours during the same 1893-1933 period.
Our demise coincided with my "greatest", the 2nd all time top scorer left the club.
So the tremendous players we've had since then, have won nothing.
 

BlairBlade said:
I understood that Hagen had a big falling out with Winterbottom and, (maybe) because of that, never played another game for England.
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The FA selectors picked the squad/teams. Winterbottom was just the coach. The first England manager to pick the players he wanted was Alf Ramsey.
 
Yes I think Hagan takes the title of our best player closely followed by T C . I heard he could be a stroppy mainly because he demanded perfection from all around him .
 
AnglesWithDirtyFaces said:
Great photo Bert, looks like they are coming out for the second half judging by the dirt on their knees. With the film cameras being there, I wonder if this was the game that was filmed at the Lane for the match against Bury.
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Photo showing Ernest Needham and William Foulke leading out Sheffield United for there F A Cup semi final tie against Aston Villa at the City ground Nottingham.
Match played on the 6th April 1901 ended in a 2-2 draw, United winning the replay 3-0 the following Thursday
Photo taken from a Jasper Redfern magic lantern glass slide
 
Silent Blade said:
Was going to give you a like until you mentioned Bob Booker. His greatest attribute was waving at the crowd.
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In light of recent seasons that would appear to be an upgrade on pointing!

Vini Souza, James Harper, I’m talking about you 😉
 
Was going to give you a like until you mentioned Bob Booker. His greatest attribute was waving at the crowd.


Disappointed in you silent. I'm too young for Hagan and Needham but not for Currie and I agree Booker doesn't deserve to be mentioned in their company. However he was a better player for example than Lundstram even at Lundstrams best and for workrate, effort, energy and commitment to the cause he is as good a midfielder as we had at the time. I was at the Mansfield game where he changed his whole United career. On a miserable day in a snowstorm never quitting, never stopping, the only player in the 22 who actually seemed to want to be there. On that day the away fans took him to their hearts and Ooh Ahh was born. Limited yes but more heart than any of our current crop can even dream of. Booker doesn't deserve to be mentioned in that company, of course not, ignoring his very real value to that team, even if you hated the Bassett side is unfair.
 
Wilderat Heart said:
Was going to give you a like until you mentioned Bob Booker. His greatest attribute was waving at the crowd.


Disappointed in you silent. I'm too young for Hagan and Needham but not for Currie and I agree Booker doesn't deserve to be mentioned in their company. However he was a better player for example than Lundstram even at Lundstrams best and for workrate, effort, energy and commitment to the cause he is as good a midfielder as we had at the time. I was at the Mansfield game where he changed his whole United career. On a miserable day in a snowstorm never quitting, never stopping, the only player in the 22 who actually seemed to want to be there. On that day the away fans took him to their hearts and Ooh Ahh was born. Limited yes but more heart than any of our current crop can even dream of. Booker doesn't deserve to be mentioned in that company, of course not, ignoring his very real value to that team, even if you hated the Bassett side is unfair.
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I did like him as he was honest and hardworking but I always cringe when a few say that Booker should have a place in Blades best ever X1.

Please find me a quote saying that I hated the Bassett team. I started becoming a Lane regular again when Bassett was our manager
 
I only started watching The Blades in 1966. So the Legendary Tony Currie is the best Sheffield United player I have ever watched at Bramall Lane. my late Dad started going to Bramall Lane before World War II. The Legendary Jimmy Hagen was the Greatest Sheffield United He has seen. He always made the point of telling me.when a United player just booted the Ball up the pitch. nay lad Jimmy Hagen wunt ad done that. he would have passed the ball 30 yards landing just reght into the player's stride. He could land it on a sixpence. Both uncles were younger than my Dad and they also told me no one was better than Jimmy Hagen they always told me. That was when we had the fantastic promotion side. Currie Woodward Badger etc.
 
I am old enough to have seen Currie play but i thought Iliman Ndiaye was equally as skillful but worked a lot harder and the better team player.
 
Wilderat Heart said:
Was going to give you a like until you mentioned Bob Booker. His greatest attribute was waving at the crowd.


Disappointed in you silent. I'm too young for Hagan and Needham but not for Currie and I agree Booker doesn't deserve to be mentioned in their company. However he was a better player for example than Lundstram even at Lundstrams best and for workrate, effort, energy and commitment to the cause he is as good a midfielder as we had at the time. I was at the Mansfield game where he changed his whole United career. On a miserable day in a snowstorm never quitting, never stopping, the only player in the 22 who actually seemed to want to be there. On that day the away fans took him to their hearts and Ooh Ahh was born. Limited yes but more heart than any of our current crop can even dream of. Booker doesn't deserve to be mentioned in that company, of course not, ignoring his very real value to that team, even if you hated the Bassett side is unfair.
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To put the record straight, I was joking about Booker, although he did a good job for us. My dream team would be 4-1-3-2 with Needham in front of the back 4, Woodward, Hagan and Currie as the 3.
 
I’m in my 70s and had the pleasure of seeing Tony Currie many times but Jimmy Hagan was just a bit before my time. My dad saw them both and had Hagan just ahead, remember him telling me many times about his dribbling skills
 

Also in my 70's, TC the best player I've seen in a Blades shirt, but similarly my Dad said Jimmy Hagan was even better. I briefly saw him play for an all-stars game, before the main action in Joe Shaw's testimonial, when despite his years, remember one bit of sublime skill on the touchline that was reminiscent of Johan Cruyff, it was that good. I thought at the time he must have been one hell of a player in his prime.
 
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