Jamals fuck up

[norfolkblade]

I don't see it as an error myself.

He's caught the ball at a tremendous height - fine
He's clattered his own centre half - fine, that happens from time to time (why is CCV standing his ground in that position, I can't imagine Blackman wouldn't have called that ball to be his given the reaction of the QPR striker who probably didn't fancy being clattered?)
He's landed on the ball/elbow and it's released from his grip as a result of aforementioned clatter - rank bad luck really but again, why has CCV stood his ground rather than perhaps even falling with JB?

And as for those of you who for some ridiculous reason seem to think he may be feigning injury or is "not that injured" I suggest you have a look at the bloody height and angle he's come down from, it's no surprise he had to be stretchered off and I hope it isn't serious.

 

[mosbolad]

I think hes ridiculed himself. I mean what are you actually suggesting Blackman does here ?

Well, as you asked. Yes it fleetingly crossed my mind listening on the radio that he had gone down injured as a deflection tactic from committing a howler. However I am sure having been carried off on a stretcher this wont be the case. Similarly Davalon pointed out that he had that very thought also. It's not unknown for a player to feign or exaggerate injury. It will happen any number of times in a match.

However, just to clarify, having seen him carted off on a stretcher I am sure it is not the case with Blackman and I wish him a speedy recovery.

 

[Bladebri]

Maybe if he had stayed down the ref may have stopped the game straight away for a bad injury, hence no goal.

 

[Harrisblade]

Similarly Davalon pointed out that he had that very thought also. It's not unknown for a player to feign or exaggerate injury. It will happen any number of times in a match.

I'm sure that everyone who has played football or watched it long enough will have seen the mistake or bad miss explained by'injury' (note the very quick-healing limp!)
However, I have never ever seen this behaviour resulting in a player actually going off the pitch permanently.

 

[Nade]

And news on how he's doing?

 

[Grizzly blade]

I might be a bit soft here, but I have seen those players, including the keeper doing their very best for my team week in week out for numerous months.
I have sat and enjoyed watching them, and basked in the glory of their success as one who doesn’t get to enjoy it very often.

So it leaves a slightly bitter taste in my mouth reading some of the comments and “opinions” directed towards ( for one season at least) OUR OWN GOALKEEPER.
A lad a long way from home, still only a lad at that, and doing his best to please us. Fans.

He might make mistakes, he might make errors of judgement. Some might feel Moore is better. But that lad deserves the utmost respect from every single fan, as does every player in that squad.
He made a decision, he caught the ball cleanly as he has on pretty much every occasion called of him, then due to a freak result of momentum and sheer size of the structure he hit he ended up falling head first from over 6 ft onto the ground.
Now having never been a keeper I can’t comment on this for certain. But I’m pretty sure there is no coaching or practice that can replicate that fall AND that encourages the body not to go into self defence mode and shock so that his hands and arms remain clamped on the ball after the fall. None.
He’s clearly hurt himself, and I for one will miss him in goal.

Best of look Jamal, hope it’s not too serious and we see you in goal again soon.

 

[mosbolad]

I'm sure that everyone who has played football or watched it long enough will have seen the mistake or bad miss explained by'injury' (note the very quick-healing limp!)
However, I have never ever seen this behaviour resulting in a player actually going off the pitch permanently.

Which is exactly what I said HarrisBlade if you had quoted me fully.

'However I am sure having been carried off on a stretcher this wont be the case. Similarly Davalon pointed out that he had that very thought also. It's not unknown for a player to feign or exaggerate injury. It will happen any number of times in a match'.

 

[stringer]

I am really surprised people dont see this as an major error. He has jumped caught it and then somehow fell and dropped the ball leading to an open goal. Other than throwing it in his own net (which he pretty much did!l not sure how much more of a mistake you could make! It is not unlucky. He has dropped the ball. It is basic stuff really and regardless of contact from Carter Vickers he has to make sure he regains control of the ball. Not sure why he needed to take it so high (normally you telk keepers to take at highest point) as it made it so hard for him to come down without falling over. I think he has been great by the way but its a mistake.

'Somehow dropped the ball' - i.e. hitting the ground and probably damaging/possibly breaking part of his upper body, leading to him being stretchered off.
'Has to make sure he regains control of the ball' - see above. Ball also bounces miles out of his reach and straight to feet of attacker.
'You normally tell keepers to take at highest point, but not sure why he has to take it so high' - isn't that answering your own question then?

 

[diode_blade]

I know on the early morning sports news on RS going to work this morning they said he could have suffered some possibility of some sort of back damage.

 

[LSF]

I am really surprised people dont see this as an major error. He has jumped caught it and then somehow fell and dropped the ball leading to an open goal. Other than throwing it in his own net (which he pretty much did!l not sure how much more of a mistake you could make! It is not unlucky. He has dropped the ball. It is basic stuff really and regardless of contact from Carter Vickers he has to make sure he regains control of the ball. Not sure why he needed to take it so high (normally you telk keepers to take at highest point) as it made it so hard for him to come down without falling over. I think he has been great by the way but its a mistake.

Jesus! I always think your match reports border on the overly harsh side, but you've surpassed yourself with that view of the incident.

A mistake? I'd say an unfortunate sequence of events that doesn't require blame aiming at any of the cast of two.

 

[The Crab]

I know on the early morning sports news on RS going to work this morning they said he could have suffered some possibility of some sort of back damage.

Not suprised his backs fucked, plenty of people on it

 

[Robby Blade]

I've watched the highlights. Biggest cock-up of the night. It really is an issue, not just last night but on a few occasions over the season. Been getting away with it lately, but last night it really hit home. A weakness that needs some serious work, it cost us at least a point last night and probably all three.

We really need to stick away these chances. Good opportunities wasted last night, finishing is really poor sometimes. Oh, and can we change the Coutts song, that word 'never' is definitely bollocks after last night.

Hold your horses SEB, it's Blackman we're slagging off here.

 

[Caseh]

I think he's been brilliant this season, and is a big part of why our defence has been so solid - Makes it much easier for the defence if they have confidence to come and deal with the aerial balls. Last night was just very unfortunate, and it wouldn't surprise me if he dropped the ball due to the injury he sustained in falling! I've done that twice, at a much lower level of course.

 

[NoSize 1889]

Is it cause he is Blackman???

 

[Snowman]

I'm not "manufacturing" any faults mate - that's nonsense. I'm giving my opinion on what I see. And if you disagree then that's absolutely fine, you're entitled to your opinion as I am mine. For me, the lad has looked hesitant and indecisive on several occasions and I am unconvinced by his goalkeeping. Is that o.k.? Or do I have to conform to a different point of view because it's not yours?

Not at all. You're wrong and I'm right, but you're entitled to be wrong . You can "learn" a lot from Pinchy when you get the hang of it! To put it simply you can be unconvinced by his keeping. Somewhere in the recent past I expressed a similar position but said I couldn't put my finger on why. It was the stuck to his line bit that was wrong. Anyway if he's out we have one equally good coming in and an even better one in the wings.

 

[Deadbat]

Jesus! I always think your match reports border on the overly harsh side, but you've surpassed yourself with that view of the incident.

A mistake? I'd say an unfortunate sequence of events that doesn't require blame aiming at any of the cast of two.

Interesting that all the national reports also mention howler and mistake. If people think the goalie dropping the ball (in whatever circumstances) right in front of goal is not a mistake then maybe my standards of goalkeeping are too high! Yes there was luck element to it how it squirmed out but he still dropped it.

We will agree to disagree. I think Blackman has been great by the way and will be a big loss. Moore looked rusty but needs games of course.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Hold your horses SEB, it's Blackman we're slagging off here.

Thanks Robby. Somebody got the point at least. Count the number of good chances we've missed recently. Two last night, couple more at Leeds, similar at the Sty and that's just off the top of my head. If those mistakes hadn't happened, the single mistake by a keeper really wouldn't matter.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

I think he's been brilliant this season, and is a big part of why our defence has been so solid - Makes it much easier for the defence if they have confidence to come and deal with the aerial balls. Last night was just very unfortunate, and it wouldn't surprise me if he dropped the ball due to the injury he sustained in falling! I've done that twice, at a much lower level of course.

To be fair, just about everybody catches the ball at a lower level than Jamal.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

Interesting that all the national reports also mention howler and mistake. If people think the goalie dropping the ball (in whatever circumstances) right in front of goal is not a mistake then maybe my standards of goalkeeping are too high! Yes there was luck element to it how it squirmed out but he still dropped it.

We will agree to disagree. I think Blackman has been great by the way and will be a big loss. Moore looked rusty but needs games of course.

Calling it a howler when something goes so spectacularly wrong is a natural reaction. But it is only fair on reflection to work out whether it really was an error. Nobody has yet convinced me that in that situation there was a better course of action for him, other than perhaps being more vocal.

 

[Rusty view]

Thanks Robby. Somebody got the point at least. Count the number of good chances we've missed recently. Two last night, couple more at Leeds, similar at the Sty and that's just off the top of my head. If those mistakes hadn't happened, the single mistake by a keeper really wouldn't matter.

Barnsley at home could have been double figures. 1 critique this season is not being clinical enough in goal. We need to be ruthless. Then as you say that odd mistake wouldn't effect the result.

 

[LSF]

Interesting that all the national reports also mention howler and mistake. If people think the goalie dropping the ball (in whatever circumstances) right in front of goal is not a mistake then maybe my standards of goalkeeping are too high! Yes there was luck element to it how it squirmed out but he still dropped it.

We will agree to disagree. I think Blackman has been great by the way and will be a big loss. Moore looked rusty but needs games of course.

Seriously? All the nationals think it's a howler, so it must be and re-enforces your view?
I had you down as better than that DB
However, as you say, we'll beg to differ

 

[Blade 62]

I too think the lads been very good for us, he's not done much wrong.
From the way he fell it looked very much like a dislocated shoulder(very painful) hope I'm wrong.

 

[Snowman]

Interesting that all the national reports also mention howler and mistake. If people think the goalie dropping the ball (in whatever circumstances) right in front of goal is not a mistake then maybe my standards of goalkeeping are too high! Yes there was luck element to it how it squirmed out but he still dropped it.

We will agree to disagree. I think Blackman has been great by the way and will be a big loss. Moore looked rusty but needs games of course.

But he didn't drop it. Can you have a look at the replay and tell me that he dropped it? Definition let or make (something) fall vertically.

He didn't let it fall. He kept hold of it to the ground. It's when, having met the ground your clavicle tries to get up through your neck whilst your ribs impact your lungs and your forearms bounce off ground you never expected them to meet that the ball gets away. Please, go on, get it on slo-mo and tell me he drops it.

 

[Nade]

I might be a bit soft here, but I have seen those players, including the keeper doing their very best for my team week in week out for numerous months.
I have sat and enjoyed watching them, and basked in the glory of their success as one who doesn’t get to enjoy it very often.

So it leaves a slightly bitter taste in my mouth reading some of the comments and “opinions” directed towards ( for one season at least) OUR OWN GOALKEEPER.
A lad a long way from home, still only a lad at that, and doing his best to please us. Fans.

He might make mistakes, he might make errors of judgement. Some might feel Moore is better. But that lad deserves the utmost respect from every single fan, as does every player in that squad.
He made a decision, he caught the ball cleanly as he has on pretty much every occasion called of him, then due to a freak result of momentum and sheer size of the structure he hit he ended up falling head first from over 6 ft onto the ground.
Now having never been a keeper I can’t comment on this for certain. But I’m pretty sure there is no coaching or practice that can replicate that fall AND that encourages the body not to go into self defence mode and shock so that his hands and arms remain clamped on the ball after the fall. None.
He’s clearly hurt himself, and I for one will miss him in goal.

Best of look Jamal, hope it’s not too serious and we see you in goal again soon.

No need to read the thread past this post. Smashed it.

 

[Inter_blade83]

Drop Moore?

 

[Blade82]

Epic bump

 

[Luke1993]

All those people who had a go at Jamal I wonder if they will do the same with Moore after that. The main argument many were making is that Moore is more a communicator with the defence, he might be, but he needs to keep the ball out of the net from 35 yards, which appeared straight down the middle. That's his main job and no amount of communication can cover that up. I'm not slating Moore btw, I'm just commenting to see if all the Jamal haters will be equally hating Moore now?

 

[Uncle mick]

Come back jamal

 

[Snowman]

All those people who had a go at Jamal I wonder if they will do the same with Moore after that. The main argument many were making is that Moore is more a communicator with the defence, he might be, but he needs to keep the ball out of the net from 35 yards, which appeared straight down the middle. That's his main job and no amount of communication can cover that up. I'm not slating Moore btw, I'm just commenting to see if all the Jamal haters will be equally hating Moore now?

I am here and that is fair comment. Does anyone know if it got a deflection which would give him an excuse? Maybe he ought to have stayed on the floor and got carried off?

 

[bromtom]

All those people who had a go at Jamal I wonder if they will do the same with Moore after that. The main argument many were making is that Moore is more a communicator with the defence, he might be, but he needs to keep the ball out of the net from 35 yards, which appeared straight down the middle. That's his main job and no amount of communication can cover that up. I'm not slating Moore btw, I'm just commenting to see if all the Jamal haters will be equally hating Moore now?

Regardless of the goal, from QPR on Tuesday and today, I've not seen communication better than what I've seen with Jamal. And what I've seen from Jamal is 14 games where he's not let a lot in and caught stuff most keepers would need a step ladder for.

Both great keepers, but I think Jamal has to have done enough to get his place back.

Also think it would really knock him if he didn't, more than it'd knock Moore to go back on the bench.