Jamals fuck up

[Mendi]

Send him back.

 

[Jehovah]

It is an absolute howler of the highest order. I cant believe there is any defence of it.

 

[Deadbat]

Unlucky but not an error as such. I hope the lad is ok.

Not an error. Really? Its abysmal. A real howler and I am a huge Blackman fan.

 

[Ricky]

This thread tempted fate nicely. It was a huge fuck up.

 

[bromtom]

CCV just seems to get into collisions lately, I think when Wilder is talking to them there needs to be a conversation about it because him and Freeman hit each other as well and that's why he's out. Not blaming CCV at all just generally, defence needs to talk to each other a bit more when there are balls in the air and when people are being closed down. Even Moore who's bigged up as king of communication tried to save a ball off one of our defenders feet tonight, bit rusty perhaps.

Blackman has been great all season thus far though, 13 goals in 15 is great considering the opposition we're playing against now and the fact that our defence hasn't really changed that much from last season.

No doubt he dropped a massive bollock, but for me, if he's only out for one game he's still number one. Gets more difficult if Simon has a bit of a run. Depends on length of injury.

Outside of the one mistake tonight I can't see why he attracts the criticism I've seen, maybe the Mega Moore fans want Simon back in, and I understand that because he's great too and because of last season, but as I've said, Jamal has been great, it's not very often that I'm relaxed when a United keeper has to do something but I'm never worried when it's going to Jama, and I won't be when he comes back, which is soon hopefully.

 

[Inter_blade83]

Just seen it. Completely not at fault for that. He's landed after hitting someone.

 

[diode_blade]

You watch how the poor Jamal landed, that could have been a really serious neck injury, anyone would have lost hold of the ball landing like that. You cant blame him at all.

 

[sheffielder]

Need to understand if Blackman gave CCV a shout

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Did you think Mel Rees was a good keeper ?

From the limited amount of games that I saw him - yes.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I sense an agenda here. Where would he have come out to had he been "marooned on his line"? Just tell us where he should have been Cerberus. Watch it again and use the 6 yard box as a measure. When the Reading player turns it in, Jamal is in the proper position to cover the shot. That is at about 2 yards advanced from his line at an angle to the assumed approach. FFS, if he had been "marooned on his line", he actually would have had a better chance at saving it because he could have chucked himself to the left parallel to his line. As it was, the ball was then played at a slight diagonal at speed across him to where our remaining defender got his feet in a tangle.

He was not "marooned on his line". If you want to try and pick spots off him at least get it right. I think one of your previous posts also criticised him for not being on his line. Now let's from a goalkeeper's perspective analyse what he could have done as a counsel of perfection. He could have been a yard further forward when the ball was played to the Reading player who passed it across. That would have invited the shot rather than the cross, as advancing hurries the player and doesn't give him time to make a good pass. Jamal is also in a position then to attempt the interception. But as with all things, it is a question of balance. What you win with being slightly more advanced you lose on time to react or covering the lob/chip etc etc etc. It's not a precise science it'a a question of feel, experience, risk and reward, kidology, odds and angles and bravery.

He's not perfect. He does take time to get down when it is close to him because he's got further to go shifting enough body to drop. But equally he is physically imposing and he'll not be beaten in the air and his reach is better than most when he is down.IMHO Moore is a better "reaction keeper" and takes less risk on distribution. Swings and Roundabouts.

Luckily a Wilder team is picked on ability and form. At the moment Jamal may not be the finished article but he and it isn't "broke" so he and it doesn't need fixing IMHO and manufacturing faults that don't exist doesn't help.

I'm not "manufacturing" any faults mate - that's nonsense. I'm giving my opinion on what I see. And if you disagree then that's absolutely fine, you're entitled to your opinion as I am mine. For me, the lad has looked hesitant and indecisive on several occasions and I am unconvinced by his goalkeeping. Is that o.k.? Or do I have to conform to a different point of view because it's not yours?

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I can't understand why such a young keeper gets so much stick from the fans. He has been brilliant since he come in I haven't seen the goal so can't comment on that but even if it was his mistake he is a young lad and is still learning never mind the fact that any keeper can have mistakes. I think we finally have 2 very good keepers fighting for a place and the one that has got us where we are in the league is getting stick for what I am unsure. He is a very good keeper in my opinion and hasn't been at fault for any of the goals but o well some people have to have some thing to moan at don't they.

I'm not aware that Blackman has had "so much stick" from the fans? Where has that come from? There has been very little in the form of criticism of the guy. I am one of a few voices on here that have said I'm not convinced about him, because I think he is hesitant and indecisive and his distribution is dodgy (not just his kicking - but his passing it out to defenders and putting them under pressure). I've also credited him with some brilliant saves and in particular taking the ball in the air - he was immense in the away game at Bolton for example - and he had a lot of aerial bombardment there, especially towards the end of the game when they threw their big strikers on. You'll have to let me know what the rules are, because to me, I think it's absolutely fine to say it as I see it. To say what I think a player does well, and not so well. I don't think that equals "giving a player stick". Saying a player is "crap" is giving a player stick - and I haven't said that about Blackman or any of the players.

I think the problem is, for some folks, any slight criticism of any United player is red rag to a bull for them. And some fans are very quick, very, very, quick actually, to try and make some player their next hero or cult figure. Absolutely desperate for it. Look at the guy EEL last season. He's another one that I said I wasn't convinced about early on, when others were foaming at the mouth about him. For the record, I also said that I thought Coutts should be in the team during that losing spell at the start of last season - and the reason I gave was that he was a composed passer of the ball and I felt that was needed at the time.

I'm not right about all the players, all the time. No one is. But I don't see anything wrong in sharing my honest opinion on something -if others don't agree that's absolutely fine. They are as entitled to their opinions as I am mine.

 

[Dkc]

Nine time out of ten in that situation the ball wouldn't have spilled so kindly to the opposition. He's only young and still learning in his decision making. Next time maybe he will punch it in such a situation . Must admit I was worried for him last night. Could have been very nasty. Happy he's okay

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I've read on all the newswires how Blackman's error cost Sheffield United at QPR last night. I heard the commentary on Radio Sheffield and they said it was Blackman's error. Nearly everything I read or heard said "he misjudged the bounce of the ball" and it was his blunder.

I've looked at the video and I think it's very unfortunate tbh. Blackman didn't misjudge the bounce of the ball at all. He came out and caught it cleanly. What followed next was bizarre - he makes only the slightest of contact with CCV and then hits the deck awkwardly and loses his grip on the ball. He tries to recover, but something hampers his movement and he can't get there.

It looks like a freak accident - and I'd guess judging by the way he fell and how he suddenly pulled up in apparent pain when he tried to recover, that he has broken his collar-bone. The other possibility is a fractured rib I suppose, but I think it's more likely it's the collar-bone. Although it was difficult to tell as he didn't appear to be clutching any particular part of his body as being injured. Having broken my collar-bone in the past, I know the first thing one normally does it clutch the arm to stop it moving around as it is agony.

Anyhow - I'm sure we all wish him a speedy recovery and I would not blame him one bit for that goal - it was just a freak accident.

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

Can we take a minute to think about, just how much of an absolute tank CCV is? Blackman isn't a slight kid. 6'6, probably about 15 - 16 stone, running at a stationary CCV ... and he didn't budge.

That kid is made of cast iron

Edit: Hope Blackman is alright, that looked a nasty fall. Incredibly unfortunate error.

 

[sitwell]

From the limited amount of games that I saw him - yes.

So how come you can judge Rees after 9 games but need another 13 games to judge Blackman on top of the 14 hes already played ? ?

 

[Cerberus Blade]

So how come you can judge Rees after 9 games but need another 13 games to judge Blackman on top of the 14 hes already played ? ?

I just knew you were going to come back with that. And here's my answer...

What I recall of Mel Rees, and it's going back a long time now, is that he came into a side that wasn't great defensively. He made an immediate impact with some heroic goalkeeping. I remember one game in particular, stood on the kop behind the goal, and Rees is forced to pull off several amazing saves due to some suicidal defending. I remember Rees looking at the kop and shaking his head in disbelief at the situation he'd just been put into. I don't think there's anyone who saw him play during that unfortunately short spell, who would say any different about him being a very impressive keeper. It is a long time ago, but I don't recall anything about his game that gave any concerns.

I think the situation with Blackman is a different kettle of fish altogether. For a start, he's a young lad learning his trade. Rees was a more established, experienced, keeper. I think Blackman is also playing behind a very good defence and in a lot of the games this season, quite honestly, he's had very little to do. What he has done, he's done mostly well. However, as I've said, there are a few things about his game that I think he needs to improve on. I'm trying to be fair to the lad when I say, in not so many words, the jury is out for me. Let's give it a bit more time and see how he develops.

Funny, but I spend a lot of time coaching junior football and go all around Sheffield, Rotherham, occasionally foraging into Derbyshire, with the team. I'd say the majority view of fellow Blades that I meet is similar to mine - "not quite sure" yet re Blackman. It's no crime - it's just being honest about what we see.

 

[Dkc]

He's certainly better than Simmo and Howard.

 

[Darthblade]

He's certainly better than Simmo and Howard.

Agreed ....... the tea-lady was better than Simmo !!
UTB & FTP

 

[sitwell]

I just knew you were going to come back with that. And here's my answer...

What I recall of Mel Rees, and it's going back a long time now, is that he came into a side that wasn't great defensively. He made an immediate impact with some heroic goalkeeping. I remember one game in particular, stood on the kop behind the goal, and Rees is forced to pull off several amazing saves due to some suicidal defending. I remember Rees looking at the kop and shaking his head in disbelief at the situation he'd just been put into. I don't think there's anyone who saw him play during that unfortunately short spell, who would say any different about him being a very impressive keeper. It is a long time ago, but I don't recall anything about his game that gave any concerns.

I think the situation with Blackman is a different kettle of fish altogether. For a start, he's a young lad learning his trade. Rees was a more established, experienced, keeper. I think Blackman is also playing behind a very good defence and in a lot of the games this season, quite honestly, he's had very little to do. What he has done, he's done mostly well. However, as I've said, there are a few things about his game that I think he needs to improve on. I'm trying to be fair to the lad when I say, in not so many words, the jury is out for me. Let's give it a bit more time and see how he develops.

Funny, but I spend a lot of time coaching junior football and go all around Sheffield, Rotherham, occasionally foraging into Derbyshire, with the team. I'd say the majority view of fellow Blades that I meet is similar to mine - "not quite sure" yet re Blackman. It's no crime - it's just being honest about what we see.

You see I interpret 'not having a lot do' as marshalling the defence and keeping goals out which he has done admirably. He doesn't make saves for the camera but he does a goalkeepers job brilliantly. As for last night ,a lot of very unfair flack heading his way ,he collided with a player and dropped the ball encountering an injury ,unluckily the ball fell at their strikers foot.

 

[super_pig]

Ditto mate

I'm not "manufacturing" any faults mate - that's nonsense. I'm giving my opinion on what I see. And if you disagree then that's absolutely fine, you're entitled to your opinion as I am mine. For me, the lad has looked hesitant and indecisive on several occasions and I am unconvinced by his goalkeeping. Is that o.k.? Or do I have to conform to a different point of view because it's not yours?

witch hunt you’ve been at it for ages.. drop it

 

[super_pig]

I'm not aware that Blackman has had "so much stick" from the fans? Where has that come from? There has been very little in the form of criticism of the guy. I am one of a few voices on here that have said I'm not convinced about him, because I think he is hesitant and indecisive and his distribution is dodgy (not just his kicking - but his passing it out to defenders and putting them under pressure). I've also credited him with some brilliant saves and in particular taking the ball in the air - he was immense in the away game at Bolton for example - and he had a lot of aerial bombardment there, especially towards the end of the game when they threw their big strikers on. You'll have to let me know what the rules are, because to me, I think it's absolutely fine to say it as I see it. To say what I think a player does well, and not so well. I don't think that equals "giving a player stick". Saying a player is "crap" is giving a player stick - and I haven't said that about Blackman or any of the players.

I think the problem is, for some folks, any slight criticism of any United player is red rag to a bull for them. And some fans are very quick, very, very, quick actually, to try and make some player their next hero or cult figure. Absolutely desperate for it. Look at the guy EEL last season. He's another one that I said I wasn't convinced about early on, when others were foaming at the mouth about him. For the record, I also said that I thought Coutts should be in the team during that losing spell at the start of last season - and the reason I gave was that he was a composed passer of the ball and I felt that was needed at the time.

I'm not right about all the players, all the time. No one is. But I don't see anything wrong in sharing my honest opinion on something -if others don't agree that's absolutely fine. They are as entitled to their opinions as I am mine.

‘i’m not aware he has so much stick’ .. hmm what’s this thread then?

 

[Davalon]

I'm going to risk a backlash here but anyone else think he might not be that injured?

 

[BLADEBEER]

Before deciding this was a howler, we need to establish what Jamal could have done differently. He had to come for this ball, and he makes a clean catch. Punching the ball would have been risky. Is the collision an accident or avoidable? The only criticism that could be made is whether there was communication between him and CCV, and I don't think any of us can know that. It is difficult to see it as other than unlucky. And the lad also has an injury to deal with - we should wish hIm well.

I totally agree ,these things happen in football,that's what makes it an exciting game.All these experts slagging the lad off,most of whom have probably never played the game

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

I've watched the highlights. Biggest cock-up of the night. It really is an issue, not just last night but on a few occasions over the season. Been getting away with it lately, but last night it really hit home. A weakness that needs some serious work, it cost us at least a point last night and probably all three.

We really need to stick away these chances. Good opportunities wasted last night, finishing is really poor sometimes. Oh, and can we change the Coutts song, that word 'never' is definitely bollocks after last night.

 

[Deadbat]

Just seen it. Completely not at fault for that. He's landed after hitting someone.

I am really surprised people dont see this as an major error. He has jumped caught it and then somehow fell and dropped the ball leading to an open goal. Other than throwing it in his own net (which he pretty much did!l not sure how much more of a mistake you could make! It is not unlucky. He has dropped the ball. It is basic stuff really and regardless of contact from Carter Vickers he has to make sure he regains control of the ball. Not sure why he needed to take it so high (normally you telk keepers to take at highest point) as it made it so hard for him to come down without falling over. I think he has been great by the way but its a mistake.

 

[Worksop II]

that word 'never' is definitely bollocks after last night.

"Mostly"

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

I am really surprised people dont see this as an major error. He has jumped caught it and then somehow fell and dropped the ball leading to an open goal. Other than throwing it in his own net (which he pretty much did!l not sure how much more of a mistake you could make! It is not unlucky. He has dropped the ball. It is basic stuff really and regardless of contact from Carter Vickers he has to make sure he regains control of the ball. Not sure why he needed to take it so high (normally you telk keepers to take at highest point) as it made it so hard for him to come down without falling over. I think he has been great by the way but its a mistake.

If there's an error, it's an error of communication. You're right keepers are taught to take the ball at it's highest point, although nowadays the maxim is punch it at it's highest point. No error in coming for the ball, no error in taking the ball. The collision was a heavy one and that caused the ball to drop out, unfortunate, but the questions have to be about the collision as that caused the issue. Did CCV not hear his shout? Did he not shout? Did he shout too late? Did CCV ignore the shout and think he'd deal with it anyway? One thing to note is that this is two young lads just starting on their careers.

And as I pointed out above, there were bigger issues in the game last night.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

witch hunt you’ve been at it for ages.. drop it

 

[mosbolad]

I'm going to risk a backlash here but anyone else think he might not be that injured?

It's possible and did cross my mind, however, and may well have been an instant reaction to seeing the ball roll in the net, but surely not go through being carried off on a stretcher if there is bog all up with him?

Regardless of injury I think Moore will start Saturday and if he does OK (which he will do) could well be in for the rest of the season.

 

[nowtfancy]

I am really surprised people dont see this as an major error. He has jumped caught it and then somehow fell and dropped the ball leading to an open goal. Other than throwing it in his own net (which he pretty much did!l not sure how much more of a mistake you could make! It is not unlucky. He has dropped the ball. It is basic stuff really and regardless of contact from Carter Vickers he has to make sure he regains control of the ball. Not sure why he needed to take it so high (normally you telk keepers to take at highest point) as it made it so hard for him to come down without falling over. I think he has been great by the way but its a mistake.

What if he “dropped” the ball because he broke his collar bone?

For me it’s an excellent high catch, followed by 2 unfortunate instances, the collision and the direction the ball spilled.
With hindsight a punch or not coming would have been the best thing to do, that information isn’t available when he decides what to do - he chose to do what he’s been doing excellently for us so far this season, collecting high balls, especially early in the game is a huge confidence boost for the defence as a whole and makes attackers think twice about knocking further crosses in anywhere near the keeper

I hope he’s back soon, he’s been a big part of an amazing start to the season for us