Is United World worth the money?

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PurpleRain said:
Thorisson is the next one to leave, to MLS. It’s a fire sale and with what’s left over it will be another relegation season. Anger is growing and I expect that the first home game will be one with lots of fireworks and another multiple week stadium ban as a result.
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Thorisson as well? Shame, he also showed promise.
 

Good news from Chateauroux.

After both United World and local businesses seemed to come together, they have retained their place in National and with it their pro status.

Much relief in Chateauroux but now they need to be extra smart with a budget that is around half that of last season.

 
georgebernardshaw said:
I’m more concerned that United paid consultant’s fees to a negotiator for the Ramsdale deal.

Is there no-one at board level suitably qualified? Sorry, that appears to be a rhetorical question given transfer fees paid in recent years
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I'm assuming this is in regards to the sale to Arsenal - sure, someone within the club could have got the deal done. Maybe. But if the consultant cost us £x, and he negotiates the deal and gets us £y in additional cash where y>x, compared to what random snek would have done, are you saying we shouldn't have done that?
 
jt64 said:
I'm assuming this is in regards to the sale to Arsenal - sure, someone within the club could have got the deal done. Maybe. But if the consultant cost us £x, and he negotiates the deal and gets us £y in additional cash where y>x, compared to what random snek would have done, are you saying we shouldn't have done that?
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My preference would be for a Financial Director with highly adequate negotiating skills to do the job as part of his brief - thus costing the club nothing.
 
georgebernardshaw said:
My preference would be for a Financial Director with highly adequate negotiating skills to do the job as part of his brief - thus costing the club nothing.
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OK, so if we were to hire this magical financial director that's also well up on the ins and outs of modern football contract negotiations, who doesn't immediately tell you "being the FD and just the FD of a nine figure business is a full time job on its own, if you want me to negotiate contracts as well either pay me a fortune or fuck off", what would make the club more money in this situation:

a) We negotiate the sale of Ndiaye to Marseille for £10 million in house
b) We pay a consultant £1m to negotiate the sale of Ndiaye to Marseille, which goes through for £12 million?

There's a reason why so many clubs utilise positions like directors of football, specialist analysts and consultants, rather than the "Hecky does everything" approach that some people here (not necessarily yourself) would clearly like the club to use and use forever - because they typically offer better value for money than the jack of all trades master of none approach.
 
jt64 said:
OK, so if we were to hire this magical financial director that's also well up on the ins and outs of modern football contract negotiations, who doesn't immediately tell you "being the FD and just the FD of a nine figure business is a full time job on its own, if you want me to negotiate contracts as well either pay me a fortune or fuck off", what would make the club more money in this situation:

a) We negotiate the sale of Ndiaye to Marseille for £10 million in house
b) We pay a consultant £1m to negotiate the sale of Ndiaye to Marseille, which goes through for £12 million?

There's a reason why so many clubs utilise positions like directors of football, specialist analysts and consultants, rather than the "Hecky does everything" approach that some people here (not necessarily yourself) would clearly like the club to use and use forever - because they typically offer better value for money than the jack of all trades master of none approach.
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I’m not having an argument with you, but if an FD has that ability and it’s written into his contract, he’s the man for the job - if he doesn’t have that ability, he shouldn’t be there.

No need for wasting millions on the cancer that’s draining the football industry, simple.
 
georgebernardshaw said:
I’m not having an argument with you, but if an FD has that ability and it’s written into his contract, he’s the man for the job - if he doesn’t have that ability, he shouldn’t be there.

No need for wasting millions on the cancer that’s draining the football industry, simple.
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I'm not sure what business you work in, but in the company I work for we have an accounts team to deal with the accounts, and a HR team to deal with recruitment. I would imagine that works the same in most businesses. You simply don't run a company with huge turnover (on a general company level, if not a specific Premier League level) by having one guy do everything at a high level. Also that last comment is particularly badly timed on a personal level but you're not to know that so I'll let it slide
 
jt64 said:
I'm not sure what business you work in, but in the company I work for we have an accounts team to deal with the accounts, and a HR team to deal with recruitment. I would imagine that works the same in most businesses. You simply don't run a company with huge turnover (on a general company level, if not a specific Premier League level) by having one guy do everything at a high level. Also that last comment is particularly badly timed on a personal level but you're not to know that so I'll let it slide
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I don’t work now, I’ve been retired for five years after previously working as Sales & Marketing Director, and then as a self-employed Marketing Consultant, running my own business for fifteen years. My last comment is not relevant because I know nothing about you or any issues you may have, I’m surprised that you thought it necessary to mention that, but I hope that situation improves for you.

I have absolutely no intention of prolonging this conversation, because it’s clear to me that your experience in negotiations is completely different to mine.
 
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PurpleRain said:
Decent transfer this. Beat Saint Etienne to his signature which is still a big name in France.

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That's very good.

I picked him out on a list of players when discussing on the Chateauroux message board.

Interesting profile. Went for big money when younger.

At least he's not a young nobody. Someone has spent cash on him before.

I see you were also linked by Koen Frans to a centre back once transferred for 8m too but who has drifted a little in recent years - Bubucarr Sanneh.

Don't know if this interest still holds given you've now signed a centre back.

If you're looking at two for every position and going back to playing 4 at the back then it seems yours short a first choice right back and another midfielder but you're then relying on two relatively untried strikers. What did you think of the Liberian you signed towards the second half of last season, Kosiah? Or Koide the other lad?
 
Our coach plays 3 center backs so they want to bring in another one. Sanneh is on trial. He’s a mystery guy. Indeed once transferred for 8 mio and then never lived up to his valuation. We still need a competent central midfielder and a striker. Koide is very young and a development player, has not shown much so far. Koisha has shown promise in some games and failed in others. We need someone more proven there.
 
PurpleRain said:
Our coach plays 3 center backs so they want to bring in another one. Sanneh is on trial. He’s a mystery guy. Indeed once transferred for 8 mio and then never lived up to his valuation. We still need a competent central midfielder and a striker. Koide is very young and a development player, has not shown much so far. Koisha has shown promise in some games and failed in others. We need someone more proven there.
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If Traore jumps ahead of Osula which I imagine he will, Osula wouldn't be a bad option on loan.

Higher level than the other lads we've previously sent across to you guys, think he'd definitely do a good job.
 
jono_t2000 said:
If Traore jumps ahead of Osula which I imagine he will, Osula wouldn't be a bad option on loan.

Higher level than the other lads we've previously sent across to you guys, think he'd definitely do a good job.
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That would be excellent but it seems that any kind of cooperation is not happening. Even a friendly game seems off the cards. With Osula and perhaps another loan of Coulibaly if he is not used our transfer business would be complete without a cash out and we would have a team with a good chance of promotion with 3 promotion places next season.
 
The United World concept seems pretty much dead.

The Prince has a few buyers lined up for the Blades and the vibe seems to be that by year end there is a good chance we will have been sold. He's also trying to sell Beerschot by the looks of it.

Chateauroux, I'm less sure. This seems to play a little more into the United World idea of bringing African players to Europe and developing them. Chateauroux may be a beneficiary to this and if the Prince has sold United and Beerschot he won't have issues to fund Chateauroux.

Without repeating myself too much there just seemed insufficient or unsuccessful attempts to get any sort of buy in from the coaches of each club. As you say, not a single friendly, no using of each other's training facilities as a change during international breaks, no publicised exchange of ideas. Player exchanges have been ill thought out and token gestures that served very few parties.

There is just simply no collaboration strategy at all other than a few token gestures.
 
Transfer market in Belgium is still open until Wednesday night. Do you think of any players that could be loaned out? We are 2 or 3 players short in depth for a promotion push. We started the season well, winning 2 out of 3 and the 4th game was called off because of troubles in Liege. FA rules say thatching case of cancelation by local authorities the away team gets the 3 points. We were in for Irish u21 international Oko Flex but he choose to sign for Zurich on the last minute. Some loan options could make the difference in the last days of the window. Obviously the past ones didn’t go well but I hope when there are better players better fitting with what we need it could be good for everyone.

We are light in right full back, attacking midfield and striker.
 

Abs reports in Belgium all the owners of Beeerschot are wanting to sell up.

United world we hardly knew ye
 
United world was never a realistic possibility, when the head of it it potless.
If you can't afford to run 1 club, dont buy 5 more, simples.
Let's hope he focuses on the club that gives him Premier league football, and recognition on the world stage.
 
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Prince can sell a 2nd Tier French club and a 2nd Tier Belgian club but he can't sell a Premier League club? Also, I thought he wanted to keep Utd World together?
 
Coulibally? What is the plan? Is there a plan?

Loan to championship or EFL? See if there is any value in the lad, or any prospect of a future with SUFC.
 

Hopefully an indicator that he's selling them to streamline a sale for United. Not sure any buyer would be interested in buying the baggage that is Beerschot or Chateauroux. UW is also nothing without United really so makes sense to sell the lot separately?

Maybe it's all wishful thinking on my part. I just want rid of PA and United World at this stage.
 
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