VAR Is it better without VAR?

[bakeblade]

100%

Fuck VAR

VAR just ruined the Palace, Liverpool game when Palace really pushing for an equaliser
Very soft penalty shout that the ref waved away, then VAR go involved...
Took ages looking it it from every angle and slow motion, then the ref goes to the screen and gives it.
I'm loving not having it the Championship

 

[HillmortonBlade]

VAR just ruined the Palace, Liverpool game when Palace really pushing for an equaliser
Very soft penalty shout that the ref waved away, then VAR go involved...
Took ages looking it it from every angle and slow motion, then the ref goes to the screen and gives it.
I'm loving not having it the Championship

My first experience of it (before it reached our shores) was at a game in Warsaw. It utterly ruined the experience of being in the stadium watching live football. It’s not got any better in the years since.

 

[Darkoak]

VAR just ruined the Palace, Liverpool game when Palace really pushing for an equaliser
Very soft penalty shout that the ref waved away, then VAR go involved...
Took ages looking it it from every angle and slow motion, then the ref goes to the screen and gives it.
I'm loving not having it the Championship

Would they have given a penalty if it had been a Palace player throwing themselves at the goalie?.

Subconscious bias.

And as bakeblade has said, we’re better off without it.

 

[Flumps]

Football is infinitely better without VAR. The idea of VAR is great it's handy for moments when the keeper scoops it out the net or whatever but its being used for too much if you ask me. Southampton/City yesterday spent a few minutes checking whether it was a foul in the box or not, eventually figured it out then immediately halted because a player went for the ball and scraped the attackers thigh and another few minutes figuring out if they were gonna send him off or not.

The rules need changing, I'd like to see it used mainly for goals and not for every decision, bring the refs back in to the game, all they are are whistle blowers right now. Personally I'd quite like to see a tennis style system put in place. Each team gets 3 VAR challenges per match or something.

I much prefer the entertainment and drama of a dodgy decision than a 5 minute delay to find out someone's off side by a toe.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

Clear and obvious errors then:
'Here ref, you might want to look at the screen for a minute, you sent the wrong player off'
Tick
"Here ref, after a routine check we think the attacker might have been a hair's breadth offside. It's touch and go, and we've looked at it a thousand times and still can't decide. Have a look yourself will you, but don't make us look daft for questioning it please. Look at the screen, appear to take an unbiased view and then agree with us please"
No tick.

 

[JimW1889]

There's not one time this season where I've thought the game would be better with VAR, even when I've seen clearly wrong decisions.

 

[GodricBlade]

VAR was supposed to make sure that technically the correct outcomes are reached on all important occasions - goals, penalties, cards etc.
Yet still some shitty, highly dubious decisions are made week in & week out as a result of people pouring over lines & 10,000 replays of an incident & the build up to it.
To my mind then, it’s removed one set of issues & replaced them with another even more annoying & frustrating set.
And in doing so it has taken far more from the beautiful game than it could ever add.
Enjoyment.

I’m glad we don’t have it this season & would rather the football authorities simply got rid & forgot about it. Sadly, I don’t think they will.

 

[metalblade]

VAR did it's job well in the Palace v Liverpool game, it made sure Liverpool got the win that keeps the title race slightly interesting for the neutral TV viewer.

 

[1889]

VAR just ruined the Palace, Liverpool game when Palace really pushing for an equaliser
Very soft penalty shout that the ref waved away, then VAR go involved...
Took ages looking it it from every angle and slow motion, then the ref goes to the screen and gives it.
I'm loving not having it the Championship

That decision just shows exactly what is wrong with VAR and it’s not the system itself it’s the idiots interpreting it.
At first glance it was obvious Jota tried to flick the ball over the advancing keeper with his right foot. He missed the ball completely and knew he couldn’t catch it, so turned toward the keeper knowing they would collide! How, after numerous views in slow motion did they not see that??? Because not one of them have ever played football I suppose.

Yes, most definitely football is a better spectacle without VAR.

 

[Badger Blade]

On the face of it, technological intervention was something that football needed with some blindingly obvious errors going unseen.

Things like Thierry Henry's handball against Ireland, off the ball incidents, goals being given when the ball hasn't gone in are the sort of thing where someone has been blatantly wronged that technology needs using for, not the nit picking that we see where the referee has already made a decision on something. Unless he's got it blatantly wrong, then let him go with his decision and carry on. That penalty Liverpool got this afternoon is a perfect example of VAR sticking it's nose where it's not needed.

It's nothing more than a vanity project for those who designed it and those who use it who probably feel that if it doesn't have a big enough influence over things that it'll be deemed as being unsuccessful when some pen pusher assesses its usage stats and the retired refs who sit in the office in Stockley Park might have to deliver parcels instead of having a cushy VAR job.

 

[wizadry]

Football is full of cheats from top to bottom. There are decisions every weekend where you think it’s impossible for the decision to not be given or glossed over, I don’t even have to point it out which decisions if you’ve seen this weekends action, the game is rife with money and cheats and won’t change whilst ever there are corrupt cunts in charge of the fucker.

VAR only adds more money to the pot for those at the top of the game and bring yet more shite and inept officials into the game, it’s blatantly obvious now if it wasn’t before.

 

[SB_90]

i have warmed to VAR & i can see what people mean they say it operator & not machine. if you look hard enough at anything your going to find something. so a time limit is probally needed.

but that jota decision is up there stupidest decision of the season.

 

[tomtheblade]

Much better without.

If VAR stuck to only 'clear and obvious' errors- eg. Henry's handball & Lampards ghost goal- then I could see the use, but it doesn't. As others have said it's over used to award game changing dubious penalties and red cards when the referees original call was justifiable.

The other thing that isn't mentioned as much is the limitations of the technology. Whereas pens & red cards still carry an element of subjectivity, offsides have the impression of being objective so that fans accept it, even if they agree that the use is incredibly pedantic.

However even this isn't true. The offside calculation is still limited by camera resolution, frame rate, motion blur of the players body (thinking of Lunnys gigantic foot here), and then most of all the frame that you pick to decide when the ball was played. It's not always obvious when this is, especially if the player is dribbling with close control.
It could quite easily be the case that the players foot makes contact with the ball for 2 frames and in that time his teammate goes from onside to off. It would then fall to the VAR officials to make a subjective call as to whether it's a goal or not.
Of course we don't see the alternate frames with lines drawn, only the one that 'proves' their decision correct.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and to be honest VAR likely gets most offside calls right, but the idea that it's 100% objective is just not true, and therefore not worth it as the time wasted takes all the passion and energy out of the match.

 

[Micky Narker]

A micromanaging tosspots wet dream. Hopefully VAR goes the same way as the wednesday bounce.

 

[BobblesBlade]

We have gone from refs giving the decisions to the big teams to now off field officials behind tv screens giving decisions to big teams. Nothing changes in professional football

 

[scouseblade]

A micromanaging tosspots wet dream. Hopefully VAR goes the same way as the wednesday bounce.

Sadly, it is here to stay (unlike the bounce) and probably gets rolled out to the Championship in 2/3 years time.

For me it has gone passed what it was brought in for - "clear and obvious". When the official at Stockley Park has to check and check an check again to see if something looks like a foul etc then surely it fails the "clear and obvious" test. Same again with the hair breadth offsides still being given. In a spit second can you tell me for certain 100% that is the correct frame? No.

I dont get to many games now but I think I would be fuming if every goal, chance, foul etc is being reviewed in a place 200 miles away whilst I am stood in a stadium with 30k others going - whats going on!!

 

[Headshrinker]

I will say it again. If they keep VAR they should have a central war room with like seven refs. ALL of them need to vote for overturning the on-field decision, in order to do so. This will be the closest to get rid of the "clear & obvious" errors and not make it a lottery as it is now.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

I will say it again. If they keep VAR they should have a central war room with like seven refs. ALL of them need to vote for overturning the on-field decision, in order to do so. This will be the closest to get rid of the "clear & obvious" errors and not make it a lottery as it is now.

Multiple layers of opinion and conjecture to scrutinise an opinion. Madness!

I still don't understand why people haven't figured out that this is nothing to do with improving the game and getting decisions right and everything to do with sensationalism for the TV coverage. It was TV that caused the supposed need for VAR, TV that campaigned for it, and TV that benefits from it. The vast majority of football still operates perfectly well without this bollocks.

 

[blade too long]

the thrust of VAR was to make succinct precise fair judgents

what we had was clear , in the opinion of the referee , was the only option
now its in the opinion of 4 referees

this weekend saw once again some very contentious judgements that were to me way off
harry Kane made minimal contact with a chelsea player and had a goal ruled out
and liverpool were given a penalty after their player veered to the right to collide with the keeper after losing the ball

its gone from a clear deision mostly right and the odd wrong one
to really unclear judgments that seem to be throwing up more wrong decisions that were ever made by a single ref

to make things worse here in England more so than any other country these decisions are taking an eternity
so we are disrupting thee games flow and getting more controversy than ever before

 

[Rocketmark66]

the thrust of VAR was to make succinct precise fair judgents

what we had was clear , in the opinion of the referee , was the only option
now its in the opinion of 4 referees

this weekend saw once again some very contentious judgements that were to me way off
harry Kane made minimal contact with a chelsea player and had a goal ruled out
and liverpool were given a penalty after their player veered to the right to collide with the keeper after losing the ball

its gone from a clear deision mostly right and the odd wrong one
to really unclear judgments that seem to be throwing up more wrong decisions that were ever made by a single ref

to make things worse here in England more so than any other country these decisions are taking an eternity
so we are disrupting thee games flow and getting more controversy than ever before

Totally agree with the Kane incident, minimal contact and Silva went over and a foul was given.
Kane has got to be a complete hypocrite if he thinks that it wasn't a foul. He, and most of the players in the PL fall over claiming a foul every time they've been touched.
They've brought the soft touch foul into the game, so they've got to live with it.

 

[blade too long]

Totally agree with the Kane incident, minimal contact and Silva went over and a foul was given.
Kane has got to be a complete hypocrite if he thinks that it wasn't a foul. He, and most of the players in the PL fall over claiming a foul every time they've been touched.
They've brought the soft touch foul into the game, so they've got to live with it.

Players cheat ....no the term is win fouls
it is this amongst other stuff VAR was supposedly brought in to root out
instead its fallen hook line and sinker into being hoodwinked

 

[Stu_Blade]

The whole reason the tech wasn't brought in earlier was due to the governing bodies wanting to keep the game flowing. The current VAR system does the opposite of that, with rugby it makes sense as in both codes there are natural breaks when tries are scored and the video referee/TMO can have a word in the ear. I personally think the decision should be made on the pitch and VAR only referred to for possible red card offence, contact inside or outside area. Relating to Rugby the referee will have the a chat and say for example I think it is a Try can you check if he went into touch (out of play) it's then for the video ref to prove the referee wrong with a clear picture of foot in touch. There needs to be some serious thought process I don't know if it would help the linos if there were lines across the pitch every metre when making decisions or should/could offside law be scrapped completely? The quicker the games get the more tech or adaption you need

 

[PokerBlade]

Well, with VAR we still got utterly ridiculous decisions anyway and it ruined a lot of the best moments.

Without VAR this season I've seen a few decisions where I've thought "VAR would've caught that" but not that many where I've thought confidently that VAR wouldn't have made a hash of it anyway. One the other hand, the game is far more enjoyable and I love being able to celebrate a goal again.

I've been staunchly against it from the beginning and the move to playing without it again is just another thing that's reaffirmed my feelings all along.

I watched Chelsea v Spurs yesterday, and we had the farce of the Kane disallowed goal. Taking no position on whether it was or wasn't a foul, the joke of it all is still that had the ref given it it's almost certain it wouldn't have been ruled out. Having not given it, it's almost certain it won't be overturned. Because VAR has this utterly ridiculous thing about the entirely subjective argument of "Is it clear and obvious" instead of being more objective like it's supposed to be.

 

[bakeblade]

Multiple layers of opinion and conjecture to scrutinise an opinion. Madness!

I still don't understand why people haven't figured out that this is nothing to do with improving the game and getting decisions right and everything to do with sensationalism for the TV coverage. It was TV that caused the supposed need for VAR, TV that campaigned for it, and TV that benefits from it. The vast majority of football still operates perfectly well without this bollocks.

That's true, it adds a bit of 'theatre' and the TV audience laps it up. However it's awful for the match going fans.
That doesn't matter though as the Premier league is all about TV audiences, note the kick off times

 

[Stu_Blade]

Well, with VAR we still got utterly ridiculous decisions anyway and it ruined a lot of the best moments.

Without VAR this season I've seen a few decisions where I've thought "VAR would've caught that" but not that many where I've thought confidently that VAR wouldn't have made a hash of it anyway. One the other hand, the game is far more enjoyable and I love being able to celebrate a goal again.

I've been staunchly against it from the beginning and the move to playing without it again is just another thing that's reaffirmed my feelings all along.

I watched Chelsea v Spurs yesterday, and we had the farce of the Kane disallowed goal. Taking no position on whether it was or wasn't a foul, the joke of it all is still that had the ref given it it's almost certain it wouldn't have been ruled out. Having not given it, it's almost certain it won't be overturned. Because VAR has this utterly ridiculous thing about the entirely subjective argument of "Is it clear and obvious" instead of being more objective like it's supposed to be.

With the amount of money in the game especially the Premier League I am surprised they haven't already unless in development using AI linked to the gaming world to be able to track players, they would probably need a microchip somewhere in their boot or similar but you could program the Laws of the game and track stats, it might have to be the next way forward.

 

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And that kit is F*cking Rank

 

[247Blade]

Whatever ...its wank ... Not much prospects with Princey Titearse at the helm!!!

 

[100% part time blade]

In a game with VAR, a last minute equalising goal from the blades in a fantastic night match against Man U at Bramall Lane is immediately followed by me - hands in pockets - telling my son (who’s spent years watching us in league 1 and never seen us play the top teams) to “stop celebrating. Hit McBurnie’s arm. It’ll definitely be ruled out.” And he immediately goes quiet. Then a bit later it’s given as a goal and we sort of cheer and clap a bit, but the moment’s gone.

Imagine same match without VAR - we’re both jumping up and down like mad men screaming our lungs out at that moment instead, filled with euphoria and roaring along with the whole crowd, players, and feeling on top of the world, along with everyone around us, for those brilliant few seconds.

Those moments are what it’s all about. And VAR kills them. Without those moments, what’s the point?

I would genuinely rather just put up with bad decisions than have VAR at football matches.

 

[blade67]

After two seasons of VAR we're back to fast flowing games that don't stop to allow some refs in a studio to study replays of incidents. More refereeing errors will no doubt be made. Is the overall live experience better without VAR?

Not tonight with that shitter of a decision

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Not tonight with that shitter of a decision

Fuck var.
One of the worse decisions I've seen. Only one person in the ground dreamt it was offside..doesn't make me want it back.