Is Blackwell doing a remarkable job?

[Ollessendro]

As I said Ollessendro we are clutching at straws here. We are talking about two teams full of totally different types of players. There isnt anything similar about any of them which is why this debate isnt going anywhere but round and round in circles.

No Lou, you are the one cluthcing at straws, not we.

You stated that Warnock had a bteer team/set of players than Blackwell. I challenged you and you started back tracking. You then talked yourself into a corner and are now attempting to end the debate by saying we are going round in circles.

You know, some times it takes the bigger person to admit that they got it wrong!?

 

[mattbianco1]

Personally I wouldn't lose any sleep if QPR came in wanting Blackwell and offering compensation.

I think this would be very bad!! It would disrupt everything once again. We've got a manager in place who clearly has a lot to offer in the Championship.

Not sure what would happen if we got promoted. Worms all over the place!

 

[LouTheBlade]

No Lou, you are the one cluthcing at straws, not we.

You stated that Warnock had a bteer team/set of players than Blackwell. I challenged you and you started back tracking. You then talked yourself into a corner and are now attempting to end the debate by saying we are going round in circles.

You know, some times it takes the bigger person to admit that they got it wrong!?

:lol: its not a case of me back tracking at all mate. Im merely pointing out that we have differing opinions and we are not going to agree on it (clearly). There are differing qualities amongst the players in each team but I just happen to believe overall, Warnock's team was better for a few reasons. I havent talked myself into a corner at all ive been honest but offering points for both arguments as a matter of fairness. No one can be proved wrong here because you would never be able to prove who is right.

The above response suggests I have annoyed you a little which wasnt intended but there is little need to make this personal - we just have differing views and I enjoy the debate. I wasnt trying to end the debate as such, just that we are going over the same subjects but in more and more depth - which suggests we will never meet in the middle.

I am not saying I am always right about everything but I have supported the club for 20 years and rarely miss a game so I feel I can't be a million miles away in my opinions. Lets just agree to disagree, I wanted a debate not an argument.

 

[Ollessendro]

:lol: its not a case of me back tracking at all mate. Im merely pointing out that we have differing opinions and we are not going to agree on it (clearly). There are differing qualities amongst the players in each team but I just happen to believe overall, Warnock's team was better for a few reasons. I havent talked myself into a corner at all ive been honest but offering points for both arguments as a matter of fairness. No one can be proved wrong here because you would never be able to prove who is right.

The above response suggests I have annoyed you a little which wasnt intended but there is little need to make this personal - we just have differing views and I enjoy the debate. I wasnt trying to end the debate as such, just that we are going over the same subjects but in more and more depth - which suggests we will never meet in the middle.

I am not saying I am always right about everything but I have supported the club for 20 years and rarely miss a game so I feel I can't be a million miles away in my opinions. Lets just agree to disagree, I wanted a debate not an argument.

Nah, nah I'm not upset Lou. It's a forum and I welcome the debate. My words were tongue in cheek (as they often are). I certainly wasn't intending to upset you or 'get personal', but of course it's a debate between the 2 of us so I think it's only fair to question your argument or comment when I think you are tying yourself in knots!? Yeah sure, we'll agree to disagree. And don't take offence buddy, we're all Blades and the problem is (I know I should be more careful) that posts can be misinterpeted. If we were debating face to face ovr a beer (which I'd be happy to do ) you'd see I was tongue in cheek being playful/teasing.

Of course there is not a lot in it between the 2 teams. Personally I think they are both good enough for automatic promotion. Of course Warnock achieved that and it doesn't look like KB will (although I hope he proves me wrong). There seems little room for compromise, as I am convinced that the current team is as good, if not better, than the promotion team of 05/06.

Honestly though Lou, do you not think our current team should be challening the top 2? I said at the beginning of the season we'd be top 4. I still think we should be with the team we have. Maybe we will. But I am disappointed that in a poor division we are not closer to Newcastle. I certainly don't think Forrest are better than us. I even thought we played Newcastle off the park at BDTBL. I think our first 11 is the possibly the best in the league. I know we've got away from the point a little (KB and the job he's done) but I'm interested in what you think.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I certainly would agree that Blackwell has more technical players at his disposal than Warnock ever did. Which players were better doesn't really matter because it's subjective but Warnocks team were more effective, and that will be the case until (note the optimism ) Blackie gets us up.

 

[Micalijo]

These things are completely irrelevant. The first question for the Chairman is 'Can this man achieve the objective?'. If its yes the second question is 'What do I need to put around him to minimise the inadequacies that they have?'

The managers job is to win football matches and for the team to finish as high up the table as they can. Its not to be nice to everyone. Its not to be witty and clever. Its not to stroke the supporters fur over every issue. Some of the best people for getting the results DO have serious shortcomings in other areas or personality issues. Doesn't stop them from doing a good job if it is handled properly by the board and Chairman.

Preferring to choose someone you like over someone who can do the job (I know we dont see eye to eye on this point) is folly. Seperate your personal feelings about the individual from they job they are doing.

Another 3pts. 6th. Onwards and upwards. UTB..

I did say that his inability to win big matches is what really matters. His awful character just makes matters worse.

 

[boo radley]

I did say that his inability to win big matches is what really matters. His awful character just makes matters worse.

So If (and I know its a big IF) he takes us up to the prem, being only the third Manager to take us up to the top flight in twenty years, do we really give a toss about his character?

 

[Ollessendro]

So If (and I know its a big IF) he takes us up to the prem, being only the third Manager to take us up to the top flight in twenty years, do we really give a toss about his character?

I certainly wouldn't Boo. I know the question wasn't aimed at me, but I couldn't care less.

 

[boo radley]

How about turning that around to the fans advantage.
Making fun of the fact and showing we dont give a damm.
See you later.

 

[Micalijo]

So If (and I know its a big IF) he takes us up to the prem, being only the third Manager to take us up to the top flight in twenty years, do we really give a toss about his character?

No I couldn't care less - my main problem is his lack of ability as a manager

I think he is a very poor manager and also hink he has a terrible personality. I think his personality negatively effects his performance as a manager but plenty don't - fair enough.

I don't think he will get us promoted because he can't organise a side to win a big game.

 

[broomhillblade]

No I couldn't care less - my main problem is his lack of ability as a manager

I think he is a very poor manager and also hink he has a terrible personality. I think his personality negatively effects his performance as a manager but plenty don't - fair enough.

I don't think he will get us promoted because he can't organise a side to win a big game.

You've been telling us what you think about Blackwell for months.

It's getting very boring.

Please shut up now.

 

[Micalijo]

OK, will do. Sorry Broomhill. And here was me thinking how wonderful and interesting all your posts are. I aint in your league. See you in a few months.

Have a think about what a fans forum is and see how daft your post sounds.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

You've been telling us what you think about Blackwell for months.

It's getting very boring.

Please shut up now.

I kind of started the thread to actually get both sides talking about it and putting their points across.
So far this seems to have been done in quite a reasoned and respectful manner.

Please don't kill what has so far been a quite interesting thread, with both sides making a few thought provoking points.

Thanks...........

 

[LouTheBlade]

Nah, nah I'm not upset Lou. It's a forum and I welcome the debate. My words were tongue in cheek (as they often are). I certainly wasn't intending to upset you or 'get personal', but of course it's a debate between the 2 of us so I think it's only fair to question your argument or comment when I think you are tying yourself in knots!? Yeah sure, we'll agree to disagree. And don't take offence buddy, we're all Blades and the problem is (I know I should be more careful) that posts can be misinterpeted. If we were debating face to face ovr a beer (which I'd be happy to do ) you'd see I was tongue in cheek being playful/teasing.

Of course there is not a lot in it between the 2 teams. Personally I think they are both good enough for automatic promotion. Of course Warnock achieved that and it doesn't look like KB will (although I hope he proves me wrong). There seems little room for compromise, as I am convinced that the current team is as good, if not better, than the promotion team of 05/06.

Honestly though Lou, do you not think our current team should be challening the top 2? I said at the beginning of the season we'd be top 4. I still think we should be with the team we have. Maybe we will. But I am disappointed that in a poor division we are not closer to Newcastle. I certainly don't think Forrest are better than us. I even thought we played Newcastle off the park at BDTBL. I think our first 11 is the possibly the best in the league. I know we've got away from the point a little (KB and the job he's done) but I'm interested in what you think.

No probs ollesendro I got your message and replied, no worries fella

I tell you what mate if the current team is better than the one that went up and eventually proves it, I will be delighted. I would never rule it out. What I think we have now is a much physically stronger and more athletic team but I do think the latter had better footballers as I said - but time will tell on that.

In answer to your other question - hand on heart I dont think this current side is good enough for a top two finish, though I wouldnt be surprised if they went on a run and sneaked it. I go along with what you said and say we are certainly good enough for top 4 and that's where I generally expect us to be. Forest are getting away with a bit of a con at the moment. Theyve hit a purple patch and cant do anything wrong - the bubble will burst, ive seen better sides than them go pop after a good run.

We did dominate the game against newcastle for large spells but sadly that little bit of extra quality counts. Although their goal against us was lucky they have better players that can kill teams off in other games. Money, money, money.

 

[broomhillblade]

I kind of started the thread to actually get both sides talking about it and putting their points across.
So far this seems to have been done in quite a reasoned and respectful manner.

Please don't kill what has so far been a quite interesting thread, with both sides making a few thought provoking points.

Thanks...........

I was actually having a go at the one-tune banjo that is Micalijo - not this thread (although it has been dragging on for four days now). My apologies if I seemed to be usurping the administrators' job - I don't think I have the power to kill a thread in any case. However, I remember some advice that I was given many years ago about speaking in public: "Stand up, speak up, and shut up".

 

[Darthblade]

I think his W/D/L record is indeed remarkable. If the football was easier on the eye then I'd also class his management as remarkable.

I can forgive him most of his sins given the mess he inherited, how close he took us last season, the plumetting budget, sales and injuries.

Expectations are too high. Boro's squad is far more talented than ours for example. But then some weaker teams do play better football than us which is a frustration.

If he'd trust in our flair players a little more, and return to the fearless attitude of his first season, then I think we'd lose more games but also win some more (and more fans).

Easy for me to say innit?

The injuries situation is a red herring. He started off the season with an unbalanced squad which was inadequate to cope with injuries and suspensions. This is the Managers responsibility.
This year the Championship is a poor division, only Newcastle and WBA look like reasonable sides and they are not consistent. We have, on paper, a reasonable squad capable of playing attacking entertaining football but we dont do that often enough, certainly in the earlier part of the season. (I dont expect us to play like Brazil)
The reality of it is that Blackwell is in the job because he is prepared to say "yes" to the board. (I do not expect us to spend fortunes at a time of financial uncertainty).
UTB

 

[Ollessendro]

I was actually having a go at the one-tune banjo that is Micalijo - not this thread (although it has been dragging on for four days now). My apologies if I seemed to be usurping the administrators' job - I don't think I have the power to kill a thread in any case. However, I remember some advice that I was given many years ago about speaking in public: "Stand up, speak up, and shut up".

I am sorry BUT ....

It seems a bit out of order that you are telling people to shut up, for voicing their opinions, on a forum. Even if you think that a certain viewers points are rubbish, then purely getting personal and telling them to shut up seems a bit over the top. If you don't like his/her posts then don't read them, ignore them. Telling them to shut up is pretty personal and one step away from calling someone a 'wanker'.

Here is the definition of forum:

a) The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.

b) A public meeting place for open discussion.

c) A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.

d) A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.

e) A court of law; a tribunal.

Telling someone to shut up seems a little out of line don't you think Broomhill? And it doesn't exactly show you in the best light!? Wouldn't you be better bantering, micking or challenging his/her opinions??

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I am sorry BUT ....

It seems a bit out of order that you are telling people to shut up, for voicing their opinions, on a forum. Even if you think that a certain viewers points are rubbish, then purely getting personal and telling them to shut up seems a bit over the top. If you don't like his/her posts then don't read them, ignore them. Telling them to shut up is pretty personal and one step away from calling someone a 'wanker'.

Here is the definition of forum:

a) The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.

b) A public meeting place for open discussion.

c) A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.

d) A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.

e) A court of law; a tribunal.

Telling someone to shut up seems a little out of line don't you think Broomhill? And it doesn't exactly show you in the best light!? Wouldn't you be better bantering, micking or challenging his/her opinions??

Or if you don't like the thread, shutting up.

 

[boo radley]

Please don't kill what has so far been a quite interesting thread, with both sides making a few thought provoking points.

Thanks...........

Both means Two and sorry FB but there is far more to it than that.
Remember we're not all like BB.

 

[broomhillblade]

"Telling them to shut up is pretty personal and one step away from calling someone a 'wanker'."

Really? Not in my book.


It's funny how some posters on here spend their waking hours lambasting the manager, players, the chairman, etc., but can't take a hint of criticism themselves.

In the words of whatizname from Dad's Army: "They don't like it up 'em"

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

"Telling them to shut up is pretty personal and one step away from calling someone a 'wanker'."

Really? Not in my book.


It's funny how some posters on here spend their waking hours lambasting the manager, players, the chairman, etc., but can't take a hint of criticism themselves.

In the words of whatizname from Dad's Army: "They don't like it up 'em"

But you haven't actually added a single comment which has anything to do with the topic currently being discussed.
Not one point made about the manager either way.

You've just come on here to troll and have a go at people which will end up taking the thread totally OT and therefore stopping the debate.
Why post in a thread in which you seem to have no interest?

So if you wouldn't mind adding something on the subject being discussed or stop trolling it would be appreciated by all concerned.

 

[broomhillblade]

But you haven't actually added a single comment which has anything to do with the topic currently being discussed.
Not one point made about the manager either way.

You've just come on here to troll and have a go at people which will end up taking the thread totally OT and therefore stopping the debate.
Why post in a thread in which you seem to have no interest?

So if you wouldn't mind adding something on the subject being discussed or stop trolling it would be appreciated by all concerned.

I'm interested to learn that you speak for 'all concerned' but I'll excuse you since you started this thread.

I didn't know that going off topic was a capital offence. Many threads do just that.

Since you ask for my opinion on Blackwell, I don't have any strong views on him (I've never met him so I don't know if he is rude or clueless, etc.). I'm prepared to stick with him until the end of the season at least. He's getting reasonable results in difficult circumstances, which is ok by me. When one looks around at the alternatives, there's not many who stand out.


PS That's positively my last word in this thread.

 

[Micalijo]

"Telling them to shut up is pretty personal and one step away from calling someone a 'wanker'."

Really? Not in my book.


It's funny how some posters on here spend their waking hours lambasting the manager, players, the chairman, etc., but can't take a hint of criticism themselves.

In the words of whatizname from Dad's Army: "They don't like it up 'em"

Plenty of people get plenty of stick on here but very few respond with the shut-up style reply, especially when they have contributed zilch of any interest to the thread.

You can post what you want just like anybody, but I don't agree that a reply to your shut-up post is a failure to accept criticism.

 

[boo radley]

Sorry to push the issue but opinions on Blackwell are not just black and white.
If you don't like his character, stop cringing and laugh about it, that will stop your frustration.
If you don't like his play style laugh about how 'Lucky' we are to be up there.
You know he aint going anywhere at the mo so accept and laugh, your stress levels will fall dramatically.

 

[LSF]

Have to agree with Broomhill on that one - Some people call players, managers the most awful disrespectful names and when they get a bit of stick back over their opinions, scream like stuck pigs!
Kevin Blackwell - I would doubt many on here know him personally but some seem able to confidently describe him in the most derogatory terms (and i don't mean his ability as a manager either).
He may well be some of those terms described, but can the accusers actually know for sure thats how he is?
I for one care little for a blokes perceived nature as long as he produces the goods (which i believe KB is well on the way to doing this season).

Some posters on here come across as absolute cocks.... but then again, how the f*ck would i know for sure

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I'm interested to learn that you speak for 'all concerned' but I'll excuse you since you started this thread.

I think it's a fair assumption that the people who are looking at this thread are interested in what the title says it is debating.
You wanted someone to stop posting on here because you were bored of his opinion.

Furthermore as the thread has 84 replies I would say there is an general interest in it's contents and it still seems to be going strong so maybe it's not quite finished yet. When it is I'm sure it will disappear never to be seen again, but all I asked is that you let it run its course.

As you don't have an interest in the discussion about the manager I'm sure it will be lost on you, but I am actually quite interested in what people think about him. I would think 99% of people who are looking in this thread are of a similar opinion to myself and are quite happy he hear the views of posters who's opinion differs from ours.


Boo,
I agree with your opinion it's not black or white and I think the majority of posts on here would back that up.

 

[Ollessendro]

Have to agree with Broomhill on that one - Some people call players, managers the most awful disrespectful names and when they get a bit of stick back over their opinions, scream like stuck pigs!
Kevin Blackwell - I would doubt many on here know him personally but some seem able to confidently describe him in the most derogatory terms (and i don't mean his ability as a manager either).
He may well be some of those terms described, but can the accusers actually know for sure thats how he is?
I for one care little for a blokes perceived nature as long as he produces the goods (which i believe KB is well on the way to doing this season).

Some posters on here come across as absolute cocks.... but then again, how the f*ck would i know for sure

So you think it's perfectly ok to tell someone to 'shut up', because they offer an opinion that you don't like?

 

[silverfox]

It's a real strange time for me as a Blade. I personally don't hate Blackwell. It just pisses me off that a clown with no tactical nouss is manager of the Blades.

This is a good thread with some good debate but as you are commenting on other posts i'd point this out.

He is not a clown, don't they have big red noses like Fergie? (if the arguments were so strong against him why resort to name calling or abuse?)....he's a manager that has us placed in the play off places.

So he is better than most in the league system we are in?

That is not to say we are seeing good football or that I would not prefer a better manager!

 

[Ollessendro]

He is not a clown, don't they have big red noses like Fergie? (if the arguments were so strong against him why resort to name calling or abuse?)....he's a manager that has us placed in the play off places.

Whay exactly are you trying to say Silverfox?

The difference is that I am not calling Blackwell a clown to his face (or at least he will not read anything I am writing about him). I am not being insultive towards another member of the forum for voicing their opinion.

You have a point, as to why I should turn to insults if I believe my argument to be strong enough. But this is not just an insult like 'wanker', or 'fat bastard'. The reason why I am calling him a clown is because he often comes across as one (in my eyes). We are talking about a manager who plays a righ back on the wing, continually plays players out of position, has no clue tactically, is awful at man management, has no plan B and struggles to get his teams playing in big games. Hence me calling him a clown is because I think he often acts like on. Like I said Silverfox, you may have a point that I shouldn't need to us insults. However, me likening our manager to a clown is far, far different to directly telling someone to 'shut up' (even if it is via a post on a forum) or worse (e.g. calling someone a wanker or sumert).

 

[GoldCoast Blade]

For what it's worth i think Blackwell is doing a great job under the circumstances of the boards restructuring and the economic climate.
I think he would love to play more gung ho football but knows the limits of his players. That said i do think he makes some tactical blunders in the pressure games.