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Alfreton14Blade said:
Worrying. But fully understandable.

Not very encouraging from the summer rebuild point of view too. Especially given that various "troublemakers" are still going to be in place on generous contracts. The environment isn't going to become conducive all of a sudden.
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Who says it's only, or mainly, or at all, the players who make young players and their teams want to avoid the club - if that's what's happening.
 



William Henry Foulkes said:
Who says it's only, or mainly, or at all, the players who make young players and their teams want to avoid the club - if that's what's happening.
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Yeah, fully accept there are all sorts of factors involved, no doubt. I'm sure what you're meaning to get at here is about the negative atmosphere generated by fans playing a part too. I'd agree. And factors like playing style (or lack of) & managerial indecision, as well as boardroom-owner mismanagement & lack of strategy & direction (i.e. negativity from the top) would certainly play a part as well, as I'm sure you'd acknowledge.

But, as for negativity emanating from supporters, we're certainly not alone in bemoaning our underachievement. For example, even in the land of ultra-postive Jim Phippses, you've got the case of the tanking New York Knicks basketball team & their fans' less-than-happy response to it all. They make us seem like pussycats.

http://nypost.com/2016/03/02/jose-calderon-takes-brunt-of-knicks-fans-venom/
http://www.todaysfastbreak.com/nba-...ues-madison-square-garden-knicks-get-drubbed/
 
tazzy said:
boro payed 2 million at the beginning of the year for baptste so he cant be that shit
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John Brayford will have cost us that much, and looks shit. Given the right combination of events, decent championship players can end up in the garbage can too.

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Finnieston said:
One of the reasons Hammond gets flak is because he has crap around him.
He is an unfashionable ball winner then lets the others do the business.
Doyle had the same problems.
Watched Adams on Tuesday did not have a clue and has been like that for weeks. Sharp has tried to be target man and try to do too much because Adams not doing it. Not got a mention.
People taking the piss out of Baptiste before he has even settled in need to stop playing team manager and live in the real world. No wonder we dont sign players. Would you sign knowing you were going to get flak before even kicking a ball. This club is becoming a poisened chalice.
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I would sign for the blades depending of course how much they were willing to pay me per week and length of contract . If Bradford or a another offered me more I would sign for them.

Money talks in every league for every agent and every player . We are no more a poison chalice then any other club. Our name and history has lost , or seems to have lost its pulling power even at this level.

That's football at BDTBL.

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alcoblade said:
That's a certainty at the moment. I'm sure there are other combinations though. :)

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The PFA make all sorts of videos warning young pros against the career-ending dangers of gambling, social media, drugs, alcohol. We must be due our own video by now. Maybe just showing the Burton game with a sombre voice-over by Michael Burke.
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
Yeah, fully accept there are all sorts of factors involved, no doubt. I'm sure what you're meaning to get at here is about the negative atmosphere generated by fans playing a part too. I'd agree. And factors like playing style (or lack of) & managerial indecision, as well as boardroom-owner mismanagement & lack of strategy & direction (i.e. negativity from the top) would certainly play a part as well, as I'm sure you'd acknowledge.

But, as for negativity emanating from supporters, we're certainly not alone in bemoaning our underachievement. For example, even in the land of ultra-postive Jim Phippses, you've got the case of the tanking New York Knicks basketball team & their fans' less-than-happy response to it all. They make us seem like pussycats.

http://nypost.com/2016/03/02/jose-calderon-takes-brunt-of-knicks-fans-venom/
http://www.todaysfastbreak.com/nba-...ues-madison-square-garden-knicks-get-drubbed/
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It takes all sorts, but it seems blindingly obvious to me the behaviour of some fans is a significant factor.

If I'm reading the ITKish post correctly then young players are not coming to the club, in part, because of the behaviour of some of the fans.

There are people attending the games who are working against the interests of the club.

Like you said it doesn't mean there aren't other factors, and that those factors may (or may not) be more significant of course.

(Btw those articles just reinforce the point don't they?)

"Negativity from the top." I don't agree with that at all. And it's what I find most puzzling.

Jim is/was unfailingly positive and polite. Adkins is obviously positive. But the atmosphere is toxic.

There are all sorts of possible responses to our current situation: no-one's forcing anyone to behave the way they do, but despite openness, communication, engagement, positivity, it really is poisonous around the club.
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
It takes all sorts, but it seems blindingly obvious to me the behaviour of some fans is a significant factor.

If I'm reading the ITKish post correctly then young players are not coming to the club, in part, because of the behaviour of some of the fans.

There are people attending the games who are working against the interests of the club.

Like you said it doesn't mean there aren't other factors, and that those factors may (or may not) be more significant of course.

(Btw those articles just reinforce the point don't they?)

"Negativity from the top." I don't agree with that at all. And it's what I find most puzzling.

Jim is/was unfailingly positive and polite. Adkins is obviously positive. But the atmosphere is toxic.

There are all sorts of possible responses to our current situation: no-one's forcing anyone to behave the way they do, but despite openness, communication, engagement, positivity, it really is poisonous around the club.
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"Working against the interests of the club"??? Lol.
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
"Working against the interests of the club"??? Lol.
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Does WHF think some of us fans working against the club , have our colours strapped to the mast with the KGB , Stasi , under totalitarianism with the nightmare of McCabe rule . Let's get real our dilemma is nowt to do with us fans .

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Fatty and Finlay what planet are you on ? The preposterously positive planet ? After 5 years of failure despite the support of 20,000 loyal fans , we have sold our best players and replaced them with inferior ones , with the inevitable result that we are sliding into oblivion.
We are managed by a psychotic psychologist who doesn't know what system to play and can't motivate players who have little or no time left on their contracts (and so logically should be putting their life and soul into performing because if we don't keep them it is clear that no other Club will hire them) - we know that because almost the entire squad has been made available for months in order to reduce the wage bill , and no Club has come in for them !
The owners and the manager are a fucking joke oufit and you are upset that paying fans would like to tell them so ?? You have to be joking.
If SUFC was a product you bought at M & S you would have to be as insane as Adkins in a radio interview if you didn't get straight into Customer Services waving your receipt !!
 
Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
Does WHF think some of us fans working against the club , have our colours strapped to the mast with the KGB , Stasi , under totalitarianism with the nightmare of McCabe rule . Let's get real our dilemma is nowt to do with us fans .

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This misrepresents what I'm saying.

It seems obvious to me that some players will not want to come to, or stay at, the club bc of the atmosphere generated by some fans.

This will cost the club as potential recruits go elsewhere.

nopigfansintown said:
Adkins has been trying to get young player on loan since the summer and has been thwarted when trying to get Teixiera and Kent
(Liverpool) and Jacob Murphy (Coventry). Our club is not seen as a conducive environment for developing young players. He's after a midfielder from Norwich, but this may not happen until the summer ((if at all).
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This may be due to the way some of the crowd chant, "We're fucking shit," or "You're not fit to wear the shirt," or "What the fucking hell was that?" last season after Scunthorpe away (just to demonstrate it's nothing new) - or scream death threats at players' family members or boo when we're 1-0 up and in total control of a game.

It seems obvious that a young player may prefer to work in a different environment. His team are also quite likely to want him to work somewhere else.

nopigfansintown's post may refer to other things. I don't know. But I'd be very surprised if the behaviour of some of the people attending the games wasn't having a significant negative impact on our reputation in the game, and therefore on our ability to recruit.

Could someone explain what is wrong with this line of reasoning?
 
Tezza1889 said:
But Is he the right type of player?

In general every poster on here is of the opinion that we need to get the best younger players available from our opposing league one teams
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Not me. Baxter, J Wallace, Done & Flo. We've tried that approach and it's been no more successful than any other approach.
 
I just can't express how outraged I am that the fans are being blamed for our inability to sign quality players.The fans of this club have been unbelievably patient and have now had enough. If the players aren't happy about that they can either shape up and they will get great support (no better example than Bob Booker) or get lost
 
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William Henry Foulkes said:
It takes all sorts, but it seems blindingly obvious to me the behaviour of some fans is a significant factor.

If I'm reading the ITKish post correctly then young players are not coming to the club, in part, because of the behaviour of some of the fans.

There are people attending the games who are working against the interests of the club.

Like you said it doesn't mean there aren't other factors, and that those factors may (or may not) be more significant of course.

(Btw those articles just reinforce the point don't they?)

"Negativity from the top." I don't agree with that at all. And it's what I find most puzzling.

Jim is/was unfailingly positive and polite. Adkins is obviously positive. But the atmosphere is toxic.

There are all sorts of possible responses to our current situation: no-one's forcing anyone to behave the way they do, but despite openness, communication, engagement, positivity, it really is poisonous around the club.
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Sorry but this is BS of the highest order. This club is a right mess and the fans are the least of the problems

Ridiculous post
 
blade67 said:
Sorry but this is BS of the highest order. This club is a right mess and the fans are the least of the problems

Ridiculous post
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It's not the fans it's some people who attend matches and shout/chant abuse at players (for instance). Seems obvious to me this will affect our ability to recruit/retain.

Do think it will or it won't?

Do you think we have a reputation in the game?

If we do then do you think a young player might avoid our club bc of its reputation?

Burton fans had taken up the chant of, "You're fucking shit." I take this to mean word is travelling.

If clubs don't want their young players here - then why not?
 
Cut the poison out first say I. I believe that Adkins is on the case and good luck to him.

We'll soon see the alleged 'toxic effect' that the fans have if we all stay away for a few games.
 
blade67 said:
Not me. Baxter, J Wallace, Done & Flo. We've tried that approach and it's been no more successful than any other approach.
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There were serious requests for Dack, and Morsy to be signed on here, possibly had we been more ambitious we'd have signed deli alli a few years back, we've not taken advantage of being the big fish like wolves did... Most on here wanted us to do just that.. It should have started with Connor coady, but you know us, we sold instead of built and now we're stuck here rudderless....
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
This misrepresents what I'm saying.

It seems obvious to me that some players will not want to come to, or stay at, the club bc of the atmosphere generated by some fans.

This will cost the club as potential recruits go elsewhere.



This may be due to the way some of the crowd chant, "We're fucking shit," or "You're not fit to wear the shirt," or "What the fucking hell was that?" last season after Scunthorpe away (just to demonstrate it's nothing new) - or scream death threats at players' family members or boo when we're 1-0 up and in total control of a game.

It seems obvious that a young player may prefer to work in a different environment. His team are also quite likely to want him to work somewhere else.

nopigfansintown's post may refer to other things. I don't know. But I'd be very surprised if the behaviour of some of the people attending the games wasn't having a significant negative impact on our reputation in the game, and therefore on our ability to recruit.

Could someone explain what is wrong with this line of reasoning?
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Can see were you are coming from but disagree.

The situation with players coming to the Lane is not down to the fans . In fact I am sure certain clubs would prefer for there young players to get a bit of back bone,

Young players go were they are told to go by there parent club , and the club chosen is the one to have the most impact on a young players advancement. We haven't got the staff or players to advance our own young players never mind anybody else's . Reed and Adams appear to be static or gone backwards to me.

I am sure scouts from top premier clubs have been to BDTBL and the decision reported back to there club , is that no young player would learn anything at the Lane due to the football we play .

It's down to football and nothing else , especially were it counts most - first team 11.

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Talking about incoming players, I hear that Adkins was out with Lee Turnbull watching a match in the week. Looking to see if they could find a bit of young, up-&-coming talent -


 
Talking of "incoming players", the tweet from our academy has made me smile

SUFC Academy ‏@AcademySUFC 5h5 hours ago
U21's Unbeaten in 14, U18's won 8 in a row , U16's Unbeaten in 14 !! 36 games without defeat in total for the u21/18/16 #SUFC #UTB
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William Henry Foulkes said:
It's not the fans it's some people who attend matches and shout/chant abuse at players (for instance). Seems obvious to me this will affect our ability to recruit/retain.

Do think it will or it won't?

Do you think we have a reputation in the game?

If we do then do you think a young player might avoid our club bc of its reputation?

Burton fans had taken up the chant of, "You're fucking shit." I take this to mean word is travelling.

If clubs don't want their young players here - then why not?
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I don't see any particular problem in attracting players, we had 46 professionals on our books 6 weeks ago. Our problem is the managers keep signing the wrong players. Any player who isn't sure if they want to sign for the biggest club with the highest gates and the most passionate fans, because they'll be criticised if they play badly is just the sort of player we don't need.
 
All so confusing - no idea what is going to happen next
 
I think there's a small element of twats within our support and some of the abuse, despite being at our lowest ebb, is completely inexcusable.

I also think it's a sensible assertion that top flight clubs would loan their best prospects to clubs with little pressure. If I was Spurs or Man United, there's no chance I'd send a young prospect to Bramall Lane. I'd pick a dozen L1 clubs before SUFC.

Permanent deals are slightly different I expect as we can offer better deals than most clubs and fundamentally money talks. But if you're looking for a new role and there's a few offers on the table, workplace culture / atmosphere / company direction is material if the money is comparable.
 



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