CONFIRMED Iliman Ndiaye signs new contract to 2024

[bertieblade]

Intrigued to know which senior member of staff gave instructions which effectively stopped him playing for us and could have meant us losing him.
who made the decision to overthrow this, did it have to go as high as HRH

 

[nopigfansintown]

It really Does beg the question why he never even got close to the first team under wilder than… if he’s so talented and we had literally no creativity.

if wilder could see his talent why not give him the sniff of a chance? Given he signed a contract now it’s not like an agreement couldnt have been reached before… seems like he was holding out for first team opportunities and a manager to play him?

The club have given him a first team deal now which they wouldn't before. The club wouldn't play him or loan him before he signed .Personally I feel our way of operating has had its sell by date. If a lad is good enough he has to be renumerated and put on a long deal with something approach a first team squad players wage packet. You don't want to lose big talents by being inflexible. You can see the potential pitfalls though: if you put W a promise sing academy player from the academy on a senior contract whilst X, Y, Z are still on youth team money, you can get anarchy. The normal progression is youth team money; prove yourself in the squad/team. Squad player contract. Senior player contract. High earner. Move on to bigger and better things.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Intrigued to know which senior member of staff gave instructions which effectively stopped him playing for us and could have meant us losing him.
who made the decision to overthrow this, did it have to go as high as HRH

given he’s signed a contract when we are in the league below. I’m struggling to think it’s entirely money related. Sounds like he just wanted to have a sniff at some first team football. He’s getting that now under Slav and has signed the contract.

I have no knowledge - but suspect a lack of first team involvement meant we were like to lose him.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

The club have given him a first team deal now which they wouldn't before. The club wouldn't play him or loan him before he signed .Personally I feel our way of operating has had its sell by date. If a lad is good enough he has to be renumerated and put on a long deal with something approach a first team squad players wage packet. You don't want to lose big talents by being inflexible. You can see the potential pitfalls though: if you put W a promise sing academy player from the academy on a senior contract whilst X, Y, Z are still on youth team money, you can get anarchy. The normal progression is youth team money; prove yourself in the squad/team. Squad player contract. Senior player contract. High earner. Move on to bigger and better things.

I agree

but do we not just think he didn’t get a first team offer as wilder wasn’t interested in playing him at any point? His issue was how to prove himself (to me)

It’s hard to give out a first team contract to someone say in the under 23’s, because of the prescident it sets to the next age years players. If he’s in and around the first team it’s a different conversation.

but agree it would have been cutting our nose off to spite our face by letting his deal run down. Glad a solution could be found

 

[nopigfansintown]

I agree

but do we not just think he didn’t get a first team offer as wilder wasn’t interested in playing him at any point? His issue was how to prove himself (to me)

It’s hard to give out a first team contract to someone say in the under 23’s, because of the prescident it sets to the next age years players. If he’s in and around the first team it’s a different conversation.

but agree it would have been cutting our nose off to spite our face by letting his deal run down. Glad a solution could be found

From what I know we wanted him on a longer youth team deal and then to loan him out. If he'd have signed post Christmas last year he'd have gotten some game time like Hackford imo, but minds seemed to be made up by then. The Championship is a different thing altogether. Personally if they aren't going to start 20+ games and come off the bench for the majority of the rest, I'd loan out the vast majority of the best looking youngsters - whether I rate them or not. Ndiaye should've been tearing up the Champ or league one last season in my opinion. I really like Gordon and Lapota and am a bit worried that they'll stagnate this season on our bench. A way to force yourself in to the team or force up your earnings is doing well on loan as RND has showed. He got his big deal at United based on his appearances for other clubs.

 

[Yogi]

From what I know we wanted him on a longer youth team deal and then to loan him out. If he'd have signed post Christmas last year he'd have gotten some game time like Hackford imo, but minds seemed to be made up by then. The Championship is a different thing altogether. Personally if they aren't going to start 20+ games and come off the bench for the majority of the rest, I'd loan out the vast majority of the best looking youngsters - whether I rate them or not. Ndiaye should've been tearing up the Champ or league one last season in my opinion. I really like Gordon and Lapota and am a bit worried that they'll stagnate this season on our bench. A way to force yourself in to the team or force up your earnings is doing well on loan as RND has showed. He got his big deal at United based on his appearances for other clubs.

Concerned about that myself I expected a few more than amissah, dewhurst, seriki and jebbison to go out on loan. The two centrebacks and brunt should be playing men’s football now aswell. Firstly for their own development but also because there’s going to be more coming up behind who arrive on the edges of the first team by the end of this season. Brooks and ayari definitely seem headed that way and lankshear if he keeps scoring goals will be hard to overlook.

 

[Digs blade]

Concerned about that myself I expected a few more than amissah, dewhurst, seriki and jebbison to go out on loan. The two centrebacks and brunt should be playing men’s football now aswell. Firstly for their own development but also because there’s going to be more coming up behind who arrive on the edges of the first team by the end of this season. Brooks and ayari definitely seem headed that way and lankshear if he keeps scoring goals will be hard to overlook.

Take your point snd Lankshear is one I rate but I think he’s still only 16

 

[Yogi]

Take your point snd Lankshear is one I rate but I think he’s still only 16

Yeah I don’t expect him to play a significant role if any but by the end of this season if he replicated his scoring record from last year he’ll be 17 and I expect training with the first team.

 

[petcharlie]

Yeah I don’t expect him to play a significant role if any but by the end of this season if he replicated his scoring record from last year he’ll be 17 and I expect training with the first team.

I agree with you mate ,if they are good enough they are old enough. Loads on here were saying not to play the young.uns but i do not agree , There are many young ones playing in the prem even for England . To those who think it is a mistake playing young guys I think Saturdays performance proves them wrong. I know it is only one match but the feeling around the club in general has been given such a boost thanks to these guys. Even Fleck and Norwood looked as if they had been supercharged.

 

[Yogi]

I agree with you mate ,if they are good enough they are old enough. Loads on here were saying not to play the young.uns but i do not agree , There are many young ones playing in the prem even for England . To those who think it is a mistake playing young guys I think Saturdays performance proves them wrong. I know it is only one match but the feeling around the club in general has been given such a boost thanks to these guys. Even Fleck and Norwood looked as if they had been supercharged.

If they’re ready they’re ready although there’s a reason ours break through normally between 18-21 rather than 16-18 it’s because we’re category two and really to be ready to be playing high level men’s football at 16 you have to have been a standout player at 13/14 and those players get snapped up by category one academies.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Snowflake]

Yet there are some on here who think the Club has no plan.
Over the last few years the Academy has produced some very good players and in the next 18 months we will see if they have produced another two or three to go with Ndiaye

 

[bakeblade]

Yet there are some on here who think the Club has no plan.
Over the last few years the Academy has produced some very good players and in the next 18 months we will see if they have produced another two or three to go with Ndiaye

Hope so, if not we are well and truly fooked

 

[Snowflake]

Hope so, if not we are well and truly fooked

There are also good players in the lower leagues, including the National leagues, so there is another pool to fish in without expensive bait.

 

[bakeblade]

There are also good players in the lower leagues, including the National leagues, so there is another pool to fish in without expensive bait.

Yes but our scouting and recruitment set up is shite, Hecky and Bettis need to sort this out.

 

[Snowflake]

Yes but our scouting and recruitment set up is shite, Hecky and Bettis need to sort this out.

It was ok in the first two years of CW, so has it changed or was it the knowledge of CW/AK that gave us a good team ?
Maybe the current three have contacts and info in the game to assist. Watch what happens in June/July. If nothing then I am misdirected in my support !

 

[Revolution]

Yet there are some on here who think the Club has no plan.
Over the last few years the Academy has produced some very good players and in the next 18 months we will see if they have produced another two or three to go with Ndiaye

We have a plan - to be self sustaining by relying on youth.

It won’t work in the Championship unless we are selling between 2 and 4 Ndiayes per season.

Plus the ones we won’t sell have to be good enough to keep us up.

It’s pie in the sky.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

It won’t work in the Championship unless we are selling between 2 and 4 Ndiayes per season.

Plus the ones we won’t sell have to be good enough to keep us up.

It’s pie in the sky.
[/QUOTE]

Basically we are going to be come a feeder club in all but name.
I can see some link up with Everton. While I don't think Sheffield Everton sounds right, maybe a preseason friendly evey season with them.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Yet there are some on here who think the Club has no plan.
Over the last few years the Academy has produced some very good players and in the next 18 months we will see if they have produced another two or three to go with Ndiaye

To my untrained eyes, during the last 10 months, we've moved from having no plan whatsoever, to having a plan and realising we couldn't afford it, to now having a plan that isn't really capable of being successfully implemented, but will involve cutting costs to the bone whilst we attempt to implement it.

CWAK left the club in March 2021, that was the time for sorting out a plan and implementing it. We were in no real rush, we were as good as down, and we had time to commit all our resources into developing our next phase. We didn't do that. We arsed about for the remainder of the season, foolishly lusting after a bloke who'd never get a work permit & not wishing to fully commit to anything and trying not to spend any unnecessary money.

We then recruited Slav and a sizeable backroom staff and promised we'd back him, we didn't/couldn't/wouldn't and then got rid of them at a sizeable cost, claiming that he didn't fit our plans which we created after we'd employed the bloke.

The new plan seems to involve reducing all costs on and off the pitch, wherever possible and becoming self reliant. I'm surprised that no other football club has ever thought of this and successfully implemented it. Perhaps it's because it's fucking impossible to do and something akin to turning base metal into gold.

The one thing it will eventually do is send the team out of the division downwards, as the cycle of bringing talent through to either fail (George Long) and weaken us or succeed and be sold off (David Brooks), gathers pace. Long played 100 times for us and Brooks 30, that's something to note. The under performers would stay with us for the duration of the deals, the talent goes after a season. It is extremely rare that a club a has 4 or 5 players that have come through the ranks in a 23 player squad, we're looking at needing to do this and possibly more every season, and trading 2 or 3 good players out for big money and losing 2 or 3 shit ones. How much money were we losing a season when McC & HRH were co-owners? £5m £10m? Just treading water. That is the kind of numbers we will need to find every season through players sales, season after season, and hope that the players that we don't get rid of all increase steadily in quality. At the end of the season, worst case scenario, we could be without 14 players (BS, Didz, Moose, Bash, Slater, Ossy, Davies, MGW, Hurricane, Guedioura, JLT, Freeman, Eastwood & JOC) who we currently have (15 incl. Olsen). Forget this season, the real fun starts then.

 

[Deaneandagana]

To my untrained eyes, during the last 10 months, we've moved from having no plan whatsoever, to having a plan and realising we couldn't afford it, to now having a plan that isn't really capable of being successfully implemented, but will involve cutting costs to the bone whilst we attempt to implement it.

CWAK left the club in March 2021, that was the time for sorting out a plan and implementing it. We were in no real rush, we were as good as down, and we had time to commit all our resources into developing our next phase. We didn't do that. We arsed about for the remainder of the season, foolishly lusting after a bloke who'd never get a work permit & not wishing to fully commit to anything and trying not to spend any unnecessary money.

We then recruited Slav and a sizeable backroom staff and promised we'd back him, we didn't/couldn't/wouldn't and then got rid of them at a sizeable cost, claiming that he didn't fit our plans which we created after we'd employed the bloke.

The new plan seems to involve reducing all costs on and off the pitch, wherever possible and becoming self reliant. I'm surprised that no other football club has ever thought of this and successfully implemented it. Perhaps it's because it's fucking impossible to do and something akin to turning base metal into gold.

The one thing it will eventually do is send the team out of the division downwards, as the cycle of bringing talent through to either fail (George Long) and weaken us or succeed and be sold off (David Brooks), gathers pace. Long played 100 times for us and Brooks 30, that's something to note. The under performers would stay with us for the duration of the deals, the talent goes after a season. It is extremely rare that a club a has 4 or 5 players that have come through the ranks in a 23 player squad, we're looking at needing to do this and possibly more every season, and trading 2 or 3 good players out for big money and losing 2 or 3 shit ones. How much money were we losing a season when McC & HRH were co-owners? £5m £10m? Just treading water. That is the kind of numbers we will need to find every season through players sales, season after season, and hope that the players that we don't get rid of all increase steadily in quality. At the end of the season, worst case scenario, we could be without 14 players (BS, Didz, Moose, Bash, Slater, Ossy, Davies, MGW, Hurricane, Guedioura, JLT, Freeman, Eastwood & JOC) who we currently have (15 incl. Olsen). Forget this season, the real fun starts then.

Excellent post, sums it up perfectly, however just 1 omission in that we haven’t got a Cat 1 status Academy therefore the chances of developing & nurturing the talent in order to sell them & to fund this self sustaining model becomes even harder.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[Wards]

To my untrained eyes, during the last 10 months, we've moved from having no plan whatsoever, to having a plan and realising we couldn't afford it, to now having a plan that isn't really capable of being successfully implemented, but will involve cutting costs to the bone whilst we attempt to implement it.

CWAK left the club in March 2021, that was the time for sorting out a plan and implementing it. We were in no real rush, we were as good as down, and we had time to commit all our resources into developing our next phase. We didn't do that. We arsed about for the remainder of the season, foolishly lusting after a bloke who'd never get a work permit & not wishing to fully commit to anything and trying not to spend any unnecessary money.

We then recruited Slav and a sizeable backroom staff and promised we'd back him, we didn't/couldn't/wouldn't and then got rid of them at a sizeable cost, claiming that he didn't fit our plans which we created after we'd employed the bloke.

The new plan seems to involve reducing all costs on and off the pitch, wherever possible and becoming self reliant. I'm surprised that no other football club has ever thought of this and successfully implemented it. Perhaps it's because it's fucking impossible to do and something akin to turning base metal into gold.

The one thing it will eventually do is send the team out of the division downwards, as the cycle of bringing talent through to either fail (George Long) and weaken us or succeed and be sold off (David Brooks), gathers pace. Long played 100 times for us and Brooks 30, that's something to note. The under performers would stay with us for the duration of the deals, the talent goes after a season. It is extremely rare that a club a has 4 or 5 players that have come through the ranks in a 23 player squad, we're looking at needing to do this and possibly more every season, and trading 2 or 3 good players out for big money and losing 2 or 3 shit ones. How much money were we losing a season when McC & HRH were co-owners? £5m £10m? Just treading water. That is the kind of numbers we will need to find every season through players sales, season after season, and hope that the players that we don't get rid of all increase steadily in quality. At the end of the season, worst case scenario, we could be without 14 players (BS, Didz, Moose, Bash, Slater, Ossy, Davies, MGW, Hurricane, Guedioura, JLT, Freeman, Eastwood & JOC) who we currently have (15 incl. Olsen). Forget this season, the real fun starts then.

Thanks for that. Anyone got a sturdy rope I could borrow?

 

[N20 Blade]

To my untrained eyes, during the last 10 months, we've moved from having no plan whatsoever, to having a plan and realising we couldn't afford it, to now having a plan that isn't really capable of being successfully implemented, but will involve cutting costs to the bone whilst we attempt to implement it.

CWAK left the club in March 2021, that was the time for sorting out a plan and implementing it. We were in no real rush, we were as good as down, and we had time to commit all our resources into developing our next phase. We didn't do that. We arsed about for the remainder of the season, foolishly lusting after a bloke who'd never get a work permit & not wishing to fully commit to anything and trying not to spend any unnecessary money.

We then recruited Slav and a sizeable backroom staff and promised we'd back him, we didn't/couldn't/wouldn't and then got rid of them at a sizeable cost, claiming that he didn't fit our plans which we created after we'd employed the bloke.

The new plan seems to involve reducing all costs on and off the pitch, wherever possible and becoming self reliant. I'm surprised that no other football club has ever thought of this and successfully implemented it. Perhaps it's because it's fucking impossible to do and something akin to turning base metal into gold.

The one thing it will eventually do is send the team out of the division downwards, as the cycle of bringing talent through to either fail (George Long) and weaken us or succeed and be sold off (David Brooks), gathers pace. Long played 100 times for us and Brooks 30, that's something to note. The under performers would stay with us for the duration of the deals, the talent goes after a season. It is extremely rare that a club a has 4 or 5 players that have come through the ranks in a 23 player squad, we're looking at needing to do this and possibly more every season, and trading 2 or 3 good players out for big money and losing 2 or 3 shit ones. How much money were we losing a season when McC & HRH were co-owners? £5m £10m? Just treading water. That is the kind of numbers we will need to find every season through players sales, season after season, and hope that the players that we don't get rid of all increase steadily in quality. At the end of the season, worst case scenario, we could be without 14 players (BS, Didz, Moose, Bash, Slater, Ossy, Davies, MGW, Hurricane, Guedioura, JLT, Freeman, Eastwood & JOC) who we currently have (15 incl. Olsen). Forget this season, the real fun starts then.

Superbly put, I agree and it saddens me, what a mess. For me the greatest fiasco was the inability to utilize the time after Wilder fled in a practical and positive way. Those wasted months have put the club back years. To think that we'll look back in a few seasons and think ''remember when we were mid table championship in 2022?'' when we're back to League one or worse with no structure. FFS.

 

[Deaneandagana]

As a post script to my earlier post, I now wonder if Mr Giansiracusa in developing his strategic plan thought of the importance of the Academy & achieving Cat 1 status?

After all this was the guy who admitted that the club appointed Slav but then who was subsequently not part of the strategic plan.

Makes you wonder.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Superbly put, I agree and it saddens me, what a mess. For me the greatest fiasco was the inability to utilize the time after Wilder fled in a practical and positive way. Those wasted months have put the club back years. To think that we'll look back in a few seasons and think ''remember when we were mid table championship in 2022?'' when we're back to League one or worse with no structure. FFS.

2 years ago today

 

[Bladesman]

 

[CaptainMorgans]

As a post script to my earlier post, I now wonder if Mr Giansiracusa in developing his strategic plan thought of the importance of the Academy & achieving Cat 1 status?

After all this was the guy who admitted that the club appointed Slav but then who was subsequently not part of the strategic plan.

Makes you wonder.

The interview he gave was abhorrent. So much corporate talk of the "three pillar" plan and all that other nonsense. Like an American salesman trying to blind idiots into buying something.
The reality is (and everyone can see it), we've not got a pot to piss in and have no chance of being self sufficient and bringing youth players through from a CAT B academy regularly enough to stay in Tier 2.

The fact he trotted out that nonsense and the Prince has gone into hiding speaks volumes. Nobody wants to be the face of the mess that is to come. The Prince loved giving it the big licks on podcasts and wreaping the rewards when we were doing well. He has no character to front up now.

 

[Wards]

The interview he gave was abhorrent. So much corporate talk of the "three pillar" plan and all that other nonsense. Like an American salesman trying to blind idiots into buying something.
The reality is (and everyone can see it), we've not got a pot to piss in and have no chance of being self sufficient and bringing youth players through from a CAT B academy regularly enough to stay in Tier 2.

The fact he trotted out that nonsense and the Prince has gone into hiding speaks volumes. Nobody wants to be the face of the mess that is to come. The Prince loved giving it the big licks on podcasts and wreaping the rewards when we were doing well. He has no character to front up now.

I genuinely/respectfully disagree with that. I think his departure from any public facing situation is much more to do with the emergence of the investment at Newcastle. I don't doubt it's ideal timing in many ways but I firmly believe he's been ushered away to allow that deal to progress. What is worrying, however, are the parallels that are happening at Beerschot regards communication and lack of foresight and investment. It doesn't exactly look like a rosy period to look forward to.

 

[wadblade]

Eat your heart out Maradona he actually signed for the blades