If you were Tom Cannon....

[Blademan89]

You’re right but the difficulty is he’s not quick enough to trouble defenders with those runs, even when the pass comes. How often has he got clear of a defence in behind in his entire time here?

His goal at Burnley a couple of seasons ago showed great movement and finishing. That’s the reason we paid money. But it’s very low percentage stuff, especially for a weaker team (as we are now) to produce regularly.

I’d love us to unlock what he has. But I think the odds are very slim.

I think it will be another brewster moment, signed for decent fee (albeit lower than his) fans willing him to come good. Wilders stubbornness and by end of it all he will leave for free with very little stats added.

 

[dexter101]

I think people need to chill out with Cannon

It wasnt £10 million it was 4/5 million rising to 10 if he wins the balondor

Even if it was it wasnt your money nor mine

We need to leave him be and back him on the pitch

If you Boo him then you are a forking moron of the highest order and probably eat woodchippings for breakfast

Troy Parrot scpred 10 goals in about 100 EFL games now wet spam want him for 25 million

There is a player in Cannon maybe he needs time and confidence

You are right on this, he will always get my support whilst he is in our shirt. So will all the players (Even Shackleton I would love to see turn round his fortunes)

But I think the issue with Cannon is now where he sits in the CF pecking order and what formation we play.

Bamford is clearly first choice
Campbell just had an extended contract and should be into his "prime", rather than now "developing". On a good day, he is a proven Championship CF
One. The supporters want to see him having the opportunity to develop and even in the 5 minutes on Saturday, he showed he can bring something.

Where does Cannon sit in all this, because to my mind, he is behind One. If we play 2 up top, he gets game time. If we don't, when are we playing him?

 

[LBA_Blade]

I think people need to chill out with Cannon

It wasnt £10 million it was 4/5 million rising to 10 if he wins the balondor

Even if it was it wasnt your money nor mine

We need to leave him be and back him on the pitch

If you Boo him then you are a forking moron of the highest order and probably eat woodchippings for breakfast

Troy Parrot scpred 10 goals in about 100 EFL games now wet spam want him for 25 million

There is a player in Cannon maybe he needs time and confidence

On a slightly different note Billy Sharp scored 8 in 51 in his 2nd spell back in the Championship (He scored 30 goals in League one the season before.) playing alongside some decent players with good service, with people like Keith Gillespie, Gary Speed and playing alongside Beattie/Stead/Hulse. Beattie still managed to bang home 22 goals that season some how. Cannon is a year older than Billy was then, and still could be capable if we played with a bit of urgency and spread the defenders about, hoof ball unless you win the 2nd ball is never going to work for us but if it doesn't work out for Cannon I am sure he will find a club be nice to get a fee though.

 

[s20Blade]

If I was Tom Cannon I would constantly be pissing myself laughing on the floor for being paid good money to be so shit at football.

 

[Aston max]

....would you be looking at what fans are saying about you, ie, not running the channels, not holding up the ball up, not showing for the ball and being totally innocuous during games. Would you think to yourself " I need to show them what i can do" instead of carrying on week after week looking totally lost?
I can't get why he remains so static instead of putting himself about and at least showing a bit of fight and effort.
Everyone would love him to turn it around but sadly i think his ship has sailed.

For me it's "if I was wilder " and start wondering why most of the supporters see how crap he is and I keep picking him.

 

[KMC-1889]

The skill of an attacker isn't only his finishing, his timing, his movement, his pace, one of the biggest skills necessary is their positional sense. Being in the right place at the right time. It's not the midfields job to put it on the exact square 6 inches every move. It's their job to put in into good 'areas'. Repeatedly. It's the job of a good attacker to read the game, see the spaces and position themselves in said 'areas' repeatedly. That's where Cannon is falling down. He can't read the game/other players well enough to put himself into the right place at the right time.

See One’s first run with the ball for an example. Clipped ball into the channel and it took 3 of them to get the ball off him and they still gave away a throw.

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

On a slightly different note Billy Sharp scored 8 in 51 in his 2nd spell back in the Championship (He scored 30 goals in League one the season before.) playing alongside some decent players with good service, with people like Keith Gillespie, Gary Speed and playing alongside Beattie/Stead/Hulse. Beattie still managed to bang home 22 goals that season some how. Cannon is a year older than Billy was then, and still could be capable if we played with a bit of urgency and spread the defenders about, hoof ball unless you win the 2nd ball is never going to work for us but if it doesn't work out for Cannon I am sure he will find a club be nice to get a fee though.

Makes you wander what they practice on the training ground!! Or if they practice at all??? (Sarcasm)

 

[sportsmanblade]

still don't understand where the valuation come from he's a penalty taker between him brewster and shackleton for worse business ever done at united

 

[Bartleby]

If I was Tom Cannon I would constantly be pissing myself laughing on the floor for being paid good money to be so shit at football.

was going to say similar. In his shoes I'd just keep taking the money and putting in the building society, retire at 30.

edit: except I wouldn't cos I worked with people like that and I hated them for it.

 

[bertieblade]

Sure the value of £10m is made up of his initial fee, performance related fees and wages spread over the length of his contract.
It suited everyone to exaggerate the value.
Not even sure if Wilder wanted him, subsequently is he only playing as the owners want him to?

 

[Lucky1979]

On a slightly different note Billy Sharp scored 8 in 51 in his 2nd spell back in the Championship (He scored 30 goals in League one the season before.) playing alongside some decent players with good service, with people like Keith Gillespie, Gary Speed and playing alongside Beattie/Stead/Hulse. Beattie still managed to bang home 22 goals that season some how. Cannon is a year older than Billy was then, and still could be capable if we played with a bit of urgency and spread the defenders about, hoof ball unless you win the 2nd ball is never going to work for us but if it doesn't work out for Cannon I am sure he will find a club be nice to get a fee though.

Sharp was a natural finisher I’m not sure Cannon is a natural footballer, let alone knows how to finish

 

[Blade In Flame]

There is a player in Cannon maybe he needs time and confidence

Yes but unfortunately it is of Isthmian League and Northern Premier League standard.

 

[Toto]

On a slightly different note Billy Sharp scored 8 in 51 in his 2nd spell back in the Championship (He scored 30 goals in League one the season before.) playing alongside some decent players with good service, with people like Keith Gillespie, Gary Speed and playing alongside Beattie/Stead/Hulse. Beattie still managed to bang home 22 goals that season some how. Cannon is a year older than Billy was then, and still could be capable if we played with a bit of urgency and spread the defenders about, hoof ball unless you win the 2nd ball is never going to work for us but if it doesn't work out for Cannon I am sure he will find a club be nice to get a fee though.

Yes just this but we have lost the play makers in Hamer and Brooks but still think the likes of Blaster and O'Hare could be his Speed and Beattie and how about get Billy back as player/coach to teach him the moves and to come on for the last 10 mins to put away what he has failed to do. Just an idea

 

[jt64]

....would you be looking at what fans are saying about you, ie, not running the channels, not holding up the ball up, not showing for the ball and being totally innocuous during games

I wouldn't be listening to a bunch of idiots with their archaic ideas of how the game is played, no

 

[LBA_Blade]

Yes just this but we have lost the play makers in Hamer and Brooks but still think the likes of Blaster and O'Hare could be his Speed and Beattie and how about get Billy back as player/coach to teach him the moves and to come on for the last 10 mins to put away what he has failed to do. Just an idea

Wouldn’t be the worse idea at all, especially as a specialised forwards coach, he could be working with a few players too

 

[LBA_Blade]

Sharp was a natural finisher I’m not sure Cannon is a natural footballer, let alone knows how to finish

Sharp was no doubt the most thinking natural finisher of my generation watching the blades, he just knew where to be and made it look easy. Cannon has a good shot on him, both composed the good example is that Derby away game last game of the season, where on the break he charges forwards and with composure puts it’s into the bottom corner. He also can put he foot through the ball, the problem is his natural playing zone is roughly 5-10 yards around the penalty arc, other than that he is struggling

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Sure the value of £10m is made up of his initial fee, performance related fees and wages spread over the length of his contract.
It suited everyone to exaggerate the value.
Not even sure if Wilder wanted him, subsequently is he only playing as the owners want him to?

Yes

 

[Lucky1979]

Sharp was no doubt the most thinking natural finisher of my generation watching the blades, he just knew where to be and made it look easy. Cannon has a good shot on him, both composed the good example is that Derby away game last game of the season, where on the break he charges forwards and with composure puts it’s into the bottom corner. He also can put he foot through the ball, the problem is his natural playing zone is roughly 5-10 yards around the penalty arc, other than that he is struggling

I’ll counter that with fewest touches on Saturday, 8 attempted passes, 2 completed passes then got subbed off. He’s atrocious

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

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Sharp was a natural finisher I’m not sure Cannon is a natural footballer, let alone knows how to finish

Sharp was also being played out of position out wide for most of that time by a manager who couldn't be doing with him.

 

[Bladeloyal]

Every time he scores he cups his ears which is obviously towards the fans

Hasn't cupped them very often

 

[MayorOJC]

Hirst gone to Stoke for £6m. All down to you Hecky.

 

[Older Blade]

Sharp was no doubt the most thinking natural finisher of my generation watching the blades, he just knew where to be and made it look easy. Cannon has a good shot on him, both composed the good example is that Derby away game last game of the season, where on the break he charges forwards and with composure puts it’s into the bottom corner. He also can put he foot through the ball, the problem is his natural playing zone is roughly 5-10 yards around the penalty arc, other than that he is struggling

Did you ever see Keith Edwards

 

[LBA_Blade]

Did you ever see Keith Edwards

Unfortunately it was a bit before my time, I wasn't born by the time he left the club in his 2nd spell. Although I have seen clips of what he could do and of course he looked like a cracking player with a brilliant shot on him. But we are talking over 40 years ago from during his 2nd spell and 50 years from his 1st. They still had the "dry ball weight" in place then due to the nature of the leather footballs used. It would be interesting to see how many more he would have scored if the ball was consistent in weight or if some of the dips on his shots were created because of the weight of the ball.

 

[LBA_Blade]

I’ll counter that with fewest touches on Saturday, 8 attempted passes, 2 completed passes then got subbed off. He’s atrocious

If we countered (to counter again) and got behind the shoulder of the defenders at pace we might have a better shout at it. When we lump it endlessly to Cannon when he is marked by one of 2 6'3 defenders, he is going to struggle. I think in the right system at the right club he has potential to score goals, he has shown he can score. Oné looked more promising coming on but maybe that's the answer. Strikers are confidence players and at the moment not many are showing much if anything, Bamford's performance was one hardly to write home about either. Does that make him a poor player, absolutely not, he gets on a run of form and the goals fly in.

 

[Silent Blade]

Unfortunately it was a bit before my time, I wasn't born by the time he left the club in his 2nd spell. Although I have seen clips of what he could do and of course he looked like a cracking player with a brilliant shot on him. But we are talking over 40 years ago from during his 2nd spell and 50 years from his 1st. They still had the "dry ball weight" in place then due to the nature of the leather footballs used. It would be interesting to see how many more he would have scored if the ball was consistent in weight or if some of the dips on his shots were created because of the weight of the ball.

The weight of the football has always been the same over the years. The balls were waterproof from the 1960s and didnt have water absorption like it was in the 1950s and before that.

 

[Bladesman]

I’ll counter that with fewest touches on Saturday, 8 attempted passes, 2 completed passes then got subbed off. He’s atrocious

Exactly.

People said Bamford had a poor game as well but he had nearly double the amount of touches than Cannon. He also had a shot on goal, won 5 duels and played 6 progressive passes.

 

[LBA_Blade]

The weight of the football has always been the same over the years. The balls were waterproof from the 1960s and didnt have water absorption like it was in the 1950s and before that.

The starting weight variables have been listed under Law 2 for some time but interesting to note comments from Frank McLintock amongst others, although I wasn't there so can't comment further the article is here https://www.thetimes.com/travel/des...as-like-being-hit-by-sonny-liston-80p8kzjp56b

"The change in the balls came in the 1970s when synthetic materials began to be used instead of leather, ensuring that the maximum ball weight of 16 ounces did not increase during a match when the pitch was wet. Fifa, the world governing body of football, now insists that balls are non-absorbent"

Although this is over the head-injury lawsuit, so is going to be biased towards balls being heavier and gaining weight, there are a few other sources, that did say the outer coating used to rub off easy (all played with one of them against a garage) and especially in winter they were heavier at the end of the match than the start.

The point and it's not a negative point, it's more, I wonder in the modern game using the modern boots, pitches and balls, would Keith Edwards be one of the best players to have played the game if he was retiring now rather than in the 90's.

 

[Silent Blade]

The starting weight variables have been listed under Law 2 for some time but interesting to note comments from Frank McLintock amongst others, although I wasn't there so can't comment further the article is here https://www.thetimes.com/travel/des...as-like-being-hit-by-sonny-liston-80p8kzjp56b

"The change in the balls came in the 1970s when synthetic materials began to be used instead of leather, ensuring that the maximum ball weight of 16 ounces did not increase during a match when the pitch was wet. Fifa, the world governing body of football, now insists that balls are non-absorbent"

Although this is over the head-injury lawsuit, so is going to be biased towards balls being heavier and gaining weight, there are a few other sources, that did say the outer coating used to rub off easy (all played with one of them against a garage) and especially in winter they were heavier at the end of the match than the start.

The point and it's not a negative point, it's more, I wonder in the modern game using the modern boots, pitches and balls, would Keith Edwards be one of the best players to have played the game if he was retiring now rather than in the 90's.

Have seen both Edwards and Sharp in their Blades careers. Neither were as good as Deane.