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I don't know if you remember me saying this to you before in a thread about Wilder but you're doing your thing again where you start with something bombastic and then walk it back to something trivial. And then you pretend you said the trivial uninteresting thing all along.The other side of it is if we don't end up selling, are stuck with a disgruntled player and have an unbalanced squad as a result, sort of when Berahino wasn't sold by West Brom.
There is no evidence of course that Berge or anyone else would throw toys out of the pram, but there is a World Cup next year so that's an added complication.
Having their future settled either way soon would be a benefit to all is what I am saying, to state the obvious rather than this ongoing 'saga'.
The other side of it is if we don't end up selling, are stuck with a disgruntled player and have an unbalanced squad as a result, sort of when Berahino wasn't sold by West Brom.
There is no evidence of course that Berge or anyone else would throw toys out of the pram, but there is a World Cup next year so that's an added complication.
Having their future settled either way soon would be a benefit to all is what I am saying, to state the obvious rather than this ongoing 'saga'.
Has he said owt really? Where is he anyway? Thought I saw him last weekend. We went to the Broadfield Tavern, very nice pint of (new) Stones then to Nether Edge pizzas who weren't taking any more orders. So I said 'if you're going to sell pizzas, just sell them now'. And someone turned round.New boss has already said, nothing is going to happen , until he has seen and spoken to everyone. Not sure if someone meets a release clause, if that still applies.
The other side of it is if we don't end up selling, are stuck with a disgruntled player and have an unbalanced squad as a result, sort of when Berahino wasn't sold by West Brom.
There is no evidence of course that Berge or anyone else would throw toys out of the pram, but there is a World Cup next year so that's an added complication.
Having their future settled either way soon would be a benefit to all is what I am saying, to state the obvious rather than this ongoing 'saga'.
Eerrr isn’t that exactly what’s been suggested we are doing? We’ve allegedly said any interested club would have to meet the release clause.We could try to do what Dortmund did with Sancho 'Either it happens at our price by this date or he's staying no-matter what'.
Now of course we're not in as strong as a position, don't want us to drop our pants down but wouldn't mind if we sold a few million less than what we would have hoped if it meant we could move forward faster.
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I couldn't find 'panic, accept the first offer, reduce your ability to realise a better outcome, and then make everyone aware that you have funds to spend' anywhere and haven't yet come across it in my professional life. That said, I haven't ever worked for Scarborough Group!
Eerrr isn’t that exactly what’s been suggested we are doing? We’ve allegedly said any interested club would have to meet the release clause.
Man United we’re trying to get Sancho right to the end of the last summer window so that example goes entirely again what you appear to be suggesting which is shit the bed and sell cheap so it’s done and dusted.
I know it's not even July and players are on international duty etc. though this Berge and Ramsdale thing is already turning into a rather tedious saga.
Personally I'd grudgingly accept £50 million for them both now which I think is fair, others may disagree with that figure but if it's going to happen it should be proactively arranged now.
It’s the motte and Bailey fallacyI don't know if you remember me saying this to you before in a thread about Wilder but you're doing your thing again where you start with something bombastic and then walk it back to something trivial. And then you pretend you said the trivial uninteresting thing all along.
You've literally started a thread saying we need to sell players quickly, but now you want to retreat to this hypothetical of "IF we don't sell a player then MAYBE that player won't be happy, and MAYBE that will unbalance our squad" and then top it off with saying "There is no evidence of course" that this will actually happen.
Maybe our players are generally happy where they are, and maybe they'd be open to moves if offers came in but the club won't entertain less than our own valuation, and maybe you're just coming up with something to whine about?
It depends on our circumstancesI'm saying that we take the Dortmund approach and set a deadline for players, if we don't sell soon.
So would you be happy if Ramsdale and Berge leave on transfer deadline day at full value, or now for 90% of their value?
I'm saying I'd prefer the latter, reluctantly of course.
That's the question I'm asking to you and PokerBlade etc.
So you're basically wanting Prince to have a Kevin McCabe mentality and just sell for cheap
They have minimum release clauses which we’ve said they have to meet, so pretty much just like Dortmund. What you are proposing is that now we’ve set that we immediately drop that demand and take millions less.I'm saying that we take the Dortmund approach and set a deadline for players, if we don't sell soon.
So would you be happy if Ramsdale and Berge leave on transfer deadline day at full value, or now for 90% of their value?
I'm saying I'd prefer the latter, reluctantly of course.
That's the question I'm asking to you and PokerBlade etc.
I don’t personally see this as quite the same as Dortmund.I'm saying that we take the Dortmund approach and set a deadline for players, if we don't sell soon.
So would you be happy if Ramsdale and Berge leave on transfer deadline day at full value, or now for 90% of their value?
I'm saying I'd prefer the latter, reluctantly of course.
That's the question I'm asking to you and PokerBlade etc.
Have we had a bid received for any of our players or is it purely media speculation? My understanding is you can't sell players unless a concrete offer is received and accepted not when a journalist writes about somebody's supposed interest. You talk about bickering over a few million I again point you to the fact we have had NO bids.I know it's not even July and players are on international duty etc. though this Berge and Ramsdale thing is already turning into a rather tedious saga.
Personally I'd grudgingly accept £50 million for them both now which I think is fair, others may disagree with that figure but if it's going to happen it should be proactively arranged now.
I get the impression that we are bickering over a few million here and there, and yeah we could hold out for more and wait but there's no guarantee.
And even if we did get a bit more a lot of time will have been wasted. Bournemouth (granted they didn't go back up but at least made the play-offs) sold Ake almost as soon as they were relegated: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53594421
I fear that they'll both go latish in the window and we'll be scrambling for replacements, and as other clubs know we have the windfall will raise their prices so we'll either overpay or be left with dregs.
Rather we go into July with £50 million in the bank and two players who won't be here being out the door, than have £60 million in August and playing catch-up.
This.Have we had a bid received for any of our players or is it purely media speculation? My understanding is you can't sell players unless a concrete offer is received and accepted not when a journalist writes about somebody's supposed interest. You talk about bickering over a few million I again point you to the fact we have had NO bids.
Because some donut wrote a 750k release clause into McDonalds contract. If we get Berges release fee I'd have no issue with itRather than a Jeremy Peace approach yes if it means we can bring our targets in early and plan.
The other situation that comes to mind is Kevin McDonald. We spent the entire pre-season building a team around him then he left suddenly late in the window leaving us in the lurch. Wouldn't like the same to happen with Berge etc. would much rather if they were to leave for it to be sooner rather than later.
I know it's not even July and players are on international duty etc. though this Berge and Ramsdale thing is already turning into a rather tedious saga.
Personally I'd grudgingly accept £50 million for them both now which I think is fair, others may disagree with that figure but if it's going to happen it should be proactively arranged now.
I get the impression that we are bickering over a few million here and there, and yeah we could hold out for more and wait but there's no guarantee.
And even if we did get a bit more a lot of time will have been wasted. Bournemouth (granted they didn't go back up but at least made the play-offs) sold Ake almost as soon as they were relegated: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53594421
I fear that they'll both go latish in the window and we'll be scrambling for replacements, and as other clubs know we have the windfall will raise their prices so we'll either overpay or be left with dregs.
Rather we go into July with £50 million in the bank and two players who won't be here being out the door, than have £60 million in August and playing catch-up.
If macabe was here we would take 50m but there's a price the thing is the 35m for berge is a lump sumI know it's not even July and players are on international duty etc. though this Berge and Ramsdale thing is already turning into a rather tedious saga.
Personally I'd grudgingly accept £50 million for them both now which I think is fair, others may disagree with that figure but if it's going to happen it should be proactively arranged now.
I get the impression that we are bickering over a few million here and there, and yeah we could hold out for more and wait but there's no guarantee.
And even if we did get a bit more a lot of time will have been wasted. Bournemouth (granted they didn't go back up but at least made the play-offs) sold Ake almost as soon as they were relegated: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53594421
I fear that they'll both go latish in the window and we'll be scrambling for replacements, and as other clubs know we have the windfall will raise their prices so we'll either overpay or be left with dregs.
Rather we go into July with £50 million in the bank and two players who won't be here being out the door, than have £60 million in August and playing catch-up.
Just on that last point, why do we bearing in mind we have 5 loan slots in the match day squad?If macabe was here we would take 50m but there's a price the thing is the 35m for berge is a lump sum
But if we sell we need investment not loans
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