I hope Sheffield United don't come to regret this

[Eskimo]

Butes would? Yes?

 

[FlamingLip]

Yep, not for the first 100 years.

Just the most recent third of our existence.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Just the most recent third of our existence.

Not for all of it. Under certain managers.

 

[Kenilworth]

My view why the owners prefer a change in manager.

1: Wilder has shown he’s emotional…which is heightened because he’s a Blade. Wouldn’t surprise me if his emotion/ passion blows over in a positive and negative way regards internal communications.
2: Wilder still sees his close friends who support Sheff Utd…leading to politics and rumours.
3: Wilders daughter is or was, reportedly in a relation with one of our significant players….again could backfire regards favouritism/ complications.
4: The on field behaviour of our players resulting in several fines….passion/ bad behaviour reflects badly on the manager and bad publicity.

I reckon the owners prefer simplicity…they don’t want a manager with extreme passion and tentacles in all areas of a club
They just want a professional 1st team coach/ tactician who is no trouble and knows his place.

It’s a brave decision….and I wouldn’t have done it….too risky for me….but it’s their money at stake…can only wish them luck.

And so taking all the fun out of it.
Half the point about being a Blades supporter is the association with my roots and the nostalgia it brings, together with not supporting a "Glory club"
I've resigned myself to winning fuck all so the consistent trashing of the pork is a huge part of the special bond. So is the piss taking, the gap and the Sheffield is Red theme.
We are passing an era that will never be repeated.
We were on the fecking floor when Wilder rolled in and we've had some extra special times over the last 9 years - and I will not forget that, nor who was responsible for it.

Sure, we can become "more professional" less ballsy, less iritating, more compliant and less exuberant. We can indeed mimic those paragons of virtue in the shiny new wolrd of soccer clubs like the bland B teams; Brighton (won fuck all) or Brentford (also won fuck all) or Bournemouth (guess what? Also won fuck all) and watch on as the likes of Palace, a club with an identity, show off their shiny new FA Cup ()
We can be pristine and antiseptic. The unblemised corporate face of a franchise run outfit.
But will it be anywhere near as much fun?

If these guys don't have the financial clout to blow other teams out of the water in the transfer market for first team players - and let's face it, Say Yes man (Selles is pronounced "Say Yes") defines them as probable poundshop paupers, it could all turn sour very, very quickly.

 

[ZLB]

Or Bassett

Only managed 88 points to get us up. No good.

 

[Kenilworth]

I'm clearly in the minority but I'm quite excited by the supposed appointment of Selles. Whenever I've watched his teams (including when Hull absolutely turned us over at home last season), they play with real purpose with quick forward passes and considerable movement off the ball.

Other than in a handful of games last season, the football we played was laboured, predictable and largely innefective. The substitutions Wilder made were often odd and rarely effective.

Hull were shite in that game. The stats back that up.
They had one of those days where what could go wrong for us did so and what could go right for them came to pass.
They were utter dross in many other games, too.
And that's what you get excited about ?

 

[Kenilworth]

This is the season in a nutshell.

And Everybody does hate us...

Not one neutral wants us to win that playoffs.. not fucking one.

Wednesday-esque sense of belonging anxiety

 

[Large Mendonca]

Wilder was going I f we’d have been promoted at Wembley, although it’s a moot point now because he’s going anyway.

 

[chesblade]

Anything other than promotion was going to lead to this understanding the urgency these owners have to get to the so called promised land . We don’t know the facts. We know CW has previous for confrontation with owners . Personally I think he was a dead man walking at the final whistle at Wembley. There is no room for sentimentality in the game today it’s a result business and I don’t think the Americans want long term ownership just to flip the club once we get to the prem which is why they are not taking a more relaxed view . If they turn us into the next Bournemouth Brighton or Brentford nobody will be bitching . The interesting days ahead but let’s get behind the boys anyway ! UTB

That's the thing if they are desperate to get to prem why go for someone like Sellas

 

[Houston_Blade]

Only since Bassett, really. Under John Harris we were widely admired for our style of play.

It amazes me that we have a reputation still as a long ball team, but then I think back to the bigger games this season when we’ve been on TV (Leeds, Sunderland PO final) and we resort to hoof when we’re under the cosh. For too much of the season we’ve fannied around with the ball in benign areas of the pitch but still have the hoof merchant tag.

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

There must have been a lot of stuff that's gone on behind the scenes.

Why give him a new 3 year contract in January to bullet him in June?

Unless Wilder has overplayed his hand. They want change and a more modern approach - DoF, AI scouting, etc, and Wilder has been dogmatic, stamped his feet, so they've fucked him off. The split board vote indicates this is the case too.

I'm convinced Wilder has gone full on mardyarse, and they've called his bluff and sacked him.

Thanks for the good times Chris (and getting me to part with £250 for a signed shirt), but it was never the same after you flounced out the first time.

On the positive side, CW will have a very healthy bank balance, a posh house on the right side of town all paid for, and can sing and dance on tables in the Banner Cross as much as he likes now.

 

[Keen Blade]

I’m not so sure.

I firmly believe that if we'd gone up , Wilder would have been outta the door quicker than if we stayed down.

He's never a PL manager in a million years.

The only reason for keeping him is his previous form for promotion and that's 6 years ago.

 

[bornablade]

I firmly believe that if we'd gone up , Wilder would have been outta the door quicker than if we stayed down.

He's never a PL manager in a million years.

The only reason for keeping him is his previous form for promotion and that's 6 years ago.

If he was to be sacked even with promotion why give him a 3 year deal?

 

[Keen Blade]

If he was to be sacked even with promotion why give him a 3 year deal?

A means of giving him a healthy reward for getting us up

 

[Nick Jansky]

A means of giving him a healthy reward for getting us up

I think he was already on a healthy promotion bonus.

 

[Keen Blade]

I think he was already on a healthy promotion bonus.

3 years salary. ?

 

[Nick Jansky]

3 years salary. ?

No, a bonus. In addition to salary.

 

[nopigfansintown]

So now we know that Chris Wilder is about to be replaced. All the views about Wilder both for and against have been discussed at length and I get arguments on both sides. But in the end this sems to be to be a very high risk decision. It is revealing to see comments from supporters of other clubs (who are more able to look at this objectively), calling this madness. The only way this decision would make any sense for me is if there had been a complete breakdown in relationship between board and manager and a huge bust up. However, according to Danny Hall and others this is not the case. There has been no fall out.

From a financial point of view this must be very expensive. From a football point of view it could be argued as reckless. OK, there are legitimate crticisms of Chris's selections, style of play and tactics but last season was still a good season, especially considering where we were pre - season. Any recruitment plans already made for next season will be torn up and we start again. Current squad members may now be seen as easy targets. We could lose some key players because of this other than Hamer, Souza and Anel. I can understand an argument that says we need a new approach and to freshen up things but the existing approach didn't do too badly last season did it? I can't think of anyone better qualified or better placed to lead the team next season than Chris Wilder and I would have preferred the board to have shown him some loyalty and stuck with him.

I have seen some comments on this forum that have been very disrespectful to Chris Wilder. Every supporter should remember where we were at the end of the Adkins season and the impact that Chris had over the next few years. Yes, he has got things wrong but he has stabilised the club twice and been our best manager in my lifetime ( and that includes Dave Bassett and John Harris). Chris should go with the heartfelt thanks of every Unitedite. I wish Selles well if he is to be Chris's successor. I hope he is an inspired choice and that this move from the board proves to be a stroke of genius. I hope I am completely wrong but I fear this day could be one that United regret for a long time.

You've wrote the sane post. Your logic is as ineluctable as it is unarguable.

Does that matter?

Usually it would., but you are dealing with unhinged people that think nothing to smearing, libelling and generally abusing the man...it'll be totally lost on them as logic certainly doesn't apply here...

I'd only add to your excellent post that 92 points, third place and the play off final is now a sackable offence for the next guy. Anything else would be hypocrisy. If we fall away at any stage he'll have nothing historical you can hang your hat on in way of a record. Tough gig.
Let's hope we are top two all season or trigger fingers will get itchy..

 

[Keen Blade]

No, a bonus. In addition to salary.

Yes but giving him a long contract might be a way of rewarding him with a great deal more than just a bonus , if as owner your intention is :
1. To sack him on promotion
2. To reward him handsomely for said promotion.

 

[YabbaDabba]

I did my grieving for Wilder the first time he left with four excellent and exciting seasons still fresh in my thoughts. This time around, not so much. million pounds in his back pocket. This time around probably more.

 

[bornablade]

Yes but giving him a long contract might be a way of rewarding him with a great deal more than just a bonus , if as owner your intention is :
1. To sack him on promotion
2. To reward him handsomely for said promotion.

Sounds messy

 

[Bell4]

This is the season in a nutshell.

And Everybody does hate us...

Not one neutral wants us to win that playoffs.. not fucking one.

There were a fair few Utd supporters who didn't as well

 

[Bell4]

And so taking all the fun out of it.
Half the point about being a Blades supporter is the association with my roots and the nostalgia it brings, together with not supporting a "Glory club"
I've resigned myself to winning fuck all so the consistent trashing of the pork is a huge part of the special bond. So is the piss taking, the gap and the Sheffield is Red theme.
We are passing an era that will never be repeated.
We were on the fecking floor when Wilder rolled in and we've had some extra special times over the last 9 years - and I will not forget that, nor who was responsible for it.

Sure, we can become "more professional" less ballsy, less iritating, more compliant and less exuberant. We can indeed mimic those paragons of virtue in the shiny new wolrd of soccer clubs like the bland B teams; Brighton (won fuck all) or Brentford (also won fuck all) or Bournemouth (guess what? Also won fuck all) and watch on as the likes of Palace, a club with an identity, show off their shiny new FA Cup ()
We can be pristine and antiseptic. The unblemised corporate face of a franchise run outfit.
But will it be anywhere near as much fun?

If these guys don't have the financial clout to blow other teams out of the water in the transfer market for first team players - and let's face it, Say Yes man (Selles is pronounced "Say Yes") defines them as probable poundshop paupers, it could all turn sour very, very quickly.

Take a bow sir

 

[GymClassHero]

Let's look at it subjectively.

Positives last season

• Built a competitive squad
• Successful overhaul of playing squad
• Did double over Wendy
• Finished 3rd, streets ahead of the rest
• Good points haul

Negatives last season

• We blew promotion when it was completely in our hands
• Boring negative approach, never put teams to the sword
• Very rigid transfer strategy
• 90% of JTW signings flopped

There are many more factors and variables, but for me these stand out. Yes sticking with Wilder is the safe option, but I feel he has taken us as far as he can.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Yes but giving him a long contract might be a way of rewarding him with a great deal more than just a bonus , if as owner your intention is :
1. To sack him on promotion
2. To reward him handsomely for said promotion.

Agreed, I reckon there was a psychological element to giving him that contract. As it is, they haven’t had to pay him the bonus, but he still gets rewarded for overseeing the transition in ownership.

 

[cahill]

I'm a big wilder fan and been watching united for 40yrs but found this season so boring , but I do question myself is it just football that's changed and I'm getting an old ****

I have the same internal debate. No doubt I’m an old f****r, have I fallen out of love with the game, or is it Wilders style of play that’s brought me to this point. Not renewed season ticket, a mixture of reasons not just footballing. Much as it pained me the performances of many teams at the Lane were good to watch, the obvious ones apart I include, Plymouth, Portsmouth, Bristol, Hull . We were chasing shadows in some of those matches, but won !

 

[FTPE]

This is the season in a nutshell.

And Everybody does hate us...

Not one neutral wants us to win that playoffs.. not fucking one.

Nobody likes Liverpool or Man City do they?
Do any neutral fans like Leeds?

 

[Nick Jansky]

Nobody likes Liverpool or Man City do they?
Do any neutral fans like Leeds?

I enjoy watching Liverpool and was glad they won the title. I have no particular beef with the manager or fans of Liverpool or Man City. Leeds are obviously a different and fairly unique matter, but I quite like their manager.

I don’t get the idea of making a virtue out of being disliked. It seems a bit weird.

 

[Tazzy]

Wilder has been an embarrassment this season also dull football tactics have been poor. Knilly is set in his old ways, set plays piss poor and i cant recall a united team so unfit after 60 mins all are them are on empty .Time to look forward now bring in a new manager and coaching team and take the hand brake off

 

[Bladeloyal]

Idiotic decision from a pair of owners who have revealed themselves to be totally fucking idiots already.

They evidently know absolutely nothing about football. It's one thing to sack Wilder - it's another to replace him with some midtable no-mark whose crowning managerial achievement is finishing 19th with Hull.

But hey, at least some Yank twat who produced The Avengers is on board. Go Sheffield Reds!

Would that be the idiot who's company is leading the field in cancer tests ,or the one that Forbes votes top sead investor or the idiot that ran the Ohio team or the idiot who happens to be a top Hollywood producer seems being a idiot gets you to the top of your profession.