Hoof ball v2

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HillmortonBlade said:
I have ALWAYS been one for giving a bit of time. I posted last week about giving it ten games. But I have to reflect on how I responded to what I saw today, perhaps it's a mixture of disappointment that last season quality has continued into this one, or maybe it's because I'm tired and pist, but I really hope I'll be disappointed with my own pessimism in the months to come.
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We really, really, have to get behind the manager and team this season. If it all goes tits up again, well, I don't even want to think about it.

We've surely got a good man at the helm now. Believe! Let's not fuck him up.
 



northsomersetblade said:
We really, really, have to get behind the manager and team this season. If it all goes tits up again, well, I don't even want to think about it.

We've surely got a good man at the helm now. Believe! Let's not fuck him up.
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I am 100% behind him, trust me. Just need another few matches to understand that the future is brighter than today. :(

Hopefully I'll be nominating myself as a miserable twat by 10pm Tuesday. :)
 
Long ball gets a bad reputation for some reason but the fact is, it works. I just hope it works this year.
 
s4-blade said:
Long ball gets a bad reputation for some reason but the fact is, it works. I just hope it works this year.
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Working just great so far !!

Football has evolved. Our fans, or at least a good many of them, have not.

Was it lost on you today that the one and only time we played a quality ball IN TO FEET resulted in our goal ??

Riddle me that ;)

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DronnieBlade said:
Working just great so far !!

Football has evolved. Our fans, or at least a good many of them, have not.

Was it lost on you today that the one and only time we played a quality ball IN TO FEET resulted in our goal ??

Riddle me that ;)

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But it wasn't a ball to feet, it was a chipped free kick that was volleyed in.
 
s4-blade said:
It wasn't played on the ground though was it. It went through the air, off the ground. You don't volley off the ground!
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Was it an excellent ball / pass, met with excellent movement and finished with a goal scored with feet ? The fact it was played 2 foot from the ground is, correct me if I'm wrong, irrelevant. It was a ball aimed to feet and met by feet.

As opposed to the aimless shit I endured for most of the afternoon.

Yes or no is fine thanks so much ??

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I'm sure all these elitist wanker tippy tappy merchants were thoroughly satisfied last season when there was no evidemce of any long ball in sight?

Nah thought not. So stop trying to be clever, it blatantly shows that you aren't.
 
Tyler Durden said:
I'm sure all these elitist wanker tippy tappy merchants were thoroughly satisfied last season when there was no evidemce of any long ball in sight?

Nah thought not. So stop trying to be clever, it blatantly shows that you aren't.
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Your right.

Let's hoof our way out the division like Wigan Burton and Barnsley did.

Oh, hang on ............

Pathetic.

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Tyler Durden said:
I'm sure all these elitist wanker tippy tappy merchants were thoroughly satisfied last season when there was no evidemce of any long ball in sight?

Nah thought not. So stop trying to be clever, it blatantly shows that you aren't.
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I like a blend, to keep the opposition on their toes (or rather, on their heels) but you can't have been impressed with that bollox today (other than how it more or less found Clarke's head most often)
 
Sheffsteel said:
Think it's not quite as simple as that.

We've played some great possession football under Clough and Adkins but all our best work was in and around the centre circle with lots of sideways passing and patient build up play. We looked a decent side last season but the big problem was we hardly created chances so was always going to struggle getting promoted.

We played hoof under Warnock and Blackwell. It can produce loads of chances which many perceive as entertaining but I remember the odd performance with those 2 managers when the performance was awful liike today. Played the right way a bit of hoof is fine.
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"A bit of hoof" is fine if the team know how to do it and it's the aimless type of just trying to hit a target man, then we have to have midfield players busting a gut to get up in support which didn't happen once yesterday. I have no problem with a bit of hoof but it needs to be mixed up because if that's the only plan, then it's easy for organised sides to negate and is shit when that happens.
 
Tyler Durden said:
I'm sure all these elitist wanker tippy tappy merchants were thoroughly satisfied last season when there was no evidemce of any long ball in sight?

Nah thought not. So stop trying to be clever, it blatantly shows that you aren't.
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Lets try and forget about last season and concentrate on the here and now, however you try and paint yesterday up has fuck all to do with last season, it was the worst performance I've seen for a long time. Hoofing long balls all the time didn't help because we didn't keep the ball whilst doing it, if you don't keep hold of the ball it limits the amount of time you have to create chances, it was shocking to watch, no other words needed to describe it really.
 
It was a battle of systems. Rochdale had 5 in midfield who had no real desire to get ahead of our 4 and we're doing a very good job of doubling up, intercepting passes and picking up 2nd balls. They crowded us out.

Given we were showing no sign at all of dealing with that. Our options at that point were to match them up - take a striker off - or accept we weren't going to win midfield and go over it instead.

He'd have been lynched if he'd replaced Sharp with Scougall so for me, in the context of the game, going long was probably the right call.

Nobidy likes watching it, our players arent really suited but it got us a point that we probably wouldn't have got if we'd carried on trying to pass through Rochdale's well drilled and numerically superior midfield.

I don't see it as a weakness that a Manager can identify that Plan A is failing and to enact Plan B.
 
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Presty said:
It was a battle of systems. Rochdale had 5 in midfield who had no real desire to get ahead of our 4 and we're doing a very good job of doubling up, intercepting passes and picking up 2nd balls. They crowded us out.

Given we were showing no sign at all of dealing with that. Our options at that point were to match them up - take a striker off - or accept we weren't going to win midfield and go over it instead.

He'd have been lynched if he'd replaced Sharp with Scougall so for me, in the context of the game, going long was probably the right call.

Nobidy likes watching it, our players arent really suited but it got us a point that we probably wouldn't have got if we'd carried on trying to pass through Rochdale's well drilled and numerically superior midfield.
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The problem presty is that for about 5 season now, successive managers and coaches have all fallen into the same trap of not having players, or teaching the players we have, how to play against those tactics. Numerous teams and opposition managers/coaches KNOW how to play against us - it's too EASY.

Players cannot be "expected" to know how to play against 5 - the coaches have to teach them during the week in training.

It appears once again that our players under this regime haven't a clue how to play against a team that plays how Rochdale did.

We are heading once again for a similar scenario as we had with Wier/Clough/Adkins - a manager "searching" for a pattern with players that are so out of their comfort zone that they will never succeed in any way.

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wizadry said:
Lets try and forget about last season and concentrate on the here and now, however you try and paint yesterday up has fuck all to do with last season, it was the worst performance I've seen for a long time. Hoofing long balls all the time didn't help because we didn't keep the ball whilst doing it, if you don't keep hold of the ball it limits the amount of time you have to create chances, it was shocking to watch, no other words needed to describe it really.
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Long-ball is an approach like any other, I don't think it will work in the current team because we lack the height and/or pace to get on the end of the ball.
By the same token, the keep-it-on-the-floor-at-all-costs approach doesn't work if all you're capable of doing is passing sideways and backwards, and in terms of "entertainment" it is equally dreadful to watch.

You need balance, pass when you can, whack it when you need to. After 6 years down here, the only entertainment I want to see is the ball going into the net by any means necessary. Attaching an 'ethos' or 'philosophy' to how you play is nonsense quite frankly.
 
Tyler Durden said:
Long-ball is an approach like any other, I don't think it will work in the current team because we lack the height and/or pace to get on the end of the ball.
By the same token, the keep-it-on-the-floor-at-all-costs approach doesn't work if all you're capable of doing is passing sideways and backwards, and in terms of "entertainment" it is equally dreadful to watch.

You need balance, pass when you can, whack it when you need to. After 6 years down here, the only entertainment I want to see is the ball going into the net by any means necessary. Attaching an 'ethos' or 'philosophy' to how you play is nonsense quite frankly.
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Attaching an ethos or philosophy to how you play is nonsense :)

Indeed.

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Fulwood Blade said:
The problem presty is that for about 5 season now, successive managers and coaches have all fallen into the same trap of not having players, or teaching the players we have, how to play against those tactics. Numerous teams and opposition managers/coaches KNOW how to play against us - it's too EASY.

Players cannot be "expected" to know how to play against 5 - the coaches have to teach them during the week in training.

It appears once again that our players under this regime haven't a clue how to play against a team that plays how Rochdale did.

We are heading once again for a similar scenario as we had with Wier/Clough/Adkins - a manager "searching" for a pattern with players that are so out of their comfort zone that they will never succeed in any way.

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A four man midfield is always going to outnumbered and the only ways it can work are if you have two CMs who are individually better than their opponents or you go long.

The dilemma for all managers at the Lane is that plenty of teams are happy to sit back and try to nick a win and so we have to find a way of beating them. Adkins realised this and tried to address it but couldn't.
 
BushBlade said:
A four man midfield is always going to outnumbered and the only ways it can work are if you have two CMs who are individually better than their opponents or you go long.

The dilemma for all managers at the Lane is that plenty of teams are happy to sit back and try to nick a win and so we have to find a way of beating them. Adkins realised this and tried to address it but couldn't.
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Agreed and clever coaches/managers can therefore teach the players.

Problem is - we don't have the right players - can this management duo work it out? He won't with this group, they are incapable.

Any team is only as good as it's collective midfield and once again Rochdales management team out thought us - as did Bolton's last week, as did Crewe's in midweek as did teams in Pre season.

There is sadly, a pattern emerging once again - is 4 or 5 players CW wants actually enough? That is on top of whether our present defence is actually good enough. IMO, this defence will get worse as it goes on and teams realise what we are about and suss us out even more than they already have.

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Sheffsteel said:
My assessment was that last season we played a nice keep possession good but slow build up game.

Under Adkins and even Clough we looked a good team playing in 2nd gear and lacking penetration.

Today reminded me of Blackwell. It was more direct sometimes aimless long ball.

What I found ironic was that the aimless long ball was sometimes effective causing panic in their defense.

I used to say that under Warnock and Blackwell when the players were on song it was exciting but when heads drop with mis placed passing it's almost embarrassing to watch.

I had a chuckle to myself at times today as we looked so poor.
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Nothing yesterday made me chuckle :(
 
Fulwood Blade said:
Agreed and clever coaches/managers can therefore teach the players.

Problem is - we don't have the right players - can this management duo work it out? He won't with this group, they are incapable.

Any team is only as good as it's collective midfield and once again Rochdales management team out thought us - as did Bolton's last week, as did Crewe's in midweek as did teams in Pre season.

There is sadly, a pattern emerging once again - is 4 or 5 players CW wants actually enough? That is on top of whether our present defence is actually good enough. IMO, this defence will get worse as it goes on and teams realise what we are about and suss us out even more than they already have.

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I think the concern is that the four or five are needed just to get a decent first team. What happens if there are injuries and suspensions to key players? Are we going to be in a situation like we were under Wilson where we didn't function when KMac was out and couldn't defend if Collins and Maguire weren't playing together?
But a good first team would be a start. It took Grayson two seasons to get Preston up and he's the expert on getting out of L1. The ones who've done it in a season have been well backed on transfer fees and wages.
 
Would it be worth trying McNulty up front to win the knock ons from Clarke, as it obviously isn't working with Billy?
 
Northyorksblade said:
Would it be worth trying McNulty up front to win the knock ons from Clarke, as it obviously isn't working with Billy?
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It may be but if it works, then we'll have to sell Billy as he won't be prepared to be understudy to McNulty and if it doesn't work, you risk pissing Billy off, our captain.

It's probably not the right time for that option.
 
Even after that absolute fucking garbage the hoofers claim it's 'okay' and 'works'! One numpty, amazingly enough, having seen that horror show, actually defends it in his usual aggressive, obnoxious fashion. The sooner that single-cell makes its way back to TILD the better for us all.

It isn't okay and it doesn't fucking work. It's a discredited, redundant, excruciatingly mind-numbing and above all totally ineffective perversion of football.
 
How's about the crazy notion of dropping Clarke for McNulty ?

Or should we carry on lumping it to Leon ?

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Pinchy said:
Even after that absolute fucking garbage the hoofers claim it's 'okay' and 'works'! One numpty, amazingly enough, having seen that horror show, actually defends it in his usual aggressive, obnoxious fashion. The sooner that single-cell makes its way back to TILD the better for us all.

It isn't okay and it doesn't fucking work. It's a discredited, redundant, excruciatingly mind-numbing and above all totally ineffective perversion of football.
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U ok hun? x
 



Sean Thornton said:
Haven't you heard, Brayfords the current scapegoat? You'll have to put your nonsense about Clarke on the back burner for a while.
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Well I suspect that there's one fucking amoeba on this thread who will try to claim it's all Montgomery's fault.

Answers on a postcard kiddies :rolleyes:
 
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