HMS Piss the League

[mattbianco1]

No, not them lot, us !!
Tongue in cheek obviously, but I'm getting excited by the prospects of next season.

Anel - sounds like we have a real bargain, a top, top player on our hands.
Doyle - likewise. Offers competition in midfield and this can only be good for Fleck and Norwood who have, at times become very complacent.
Brewster - looking very sharp in the training videos. He had started to come good when Hecky came in and unfortunately got injured. 20+ for him this season.
Berge - as with Brewster, he flourished under Hecky - need to hold off bids if any come.
Davis - would be a great signing if we get him. Brewster & him could form a formidable partnership - Kabba and Shipperley
Clark - another astute signing if it comes off. Can't see him pushing Egan or Basham out of the team, but a very good player to offer competition and cover at the back

UTB !

 

[Carlton Blade]

Davis signing means Berge leaving I think. Because you can't fit Berge, Ndiaye, Brewster and Davis in the same team with 3 CBs

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

No, not them lot, us !!
Tongue in cheek obviously, but I'm getting excited by the prospects of next season.

Anel - sounds like we have a real bargain, a top, top player on our hands.
Doyle - likewise. Offers competition in midfield and this can only be good for Fleck and Norwood who have, at times become very complacent.
Brewster - looking very sharp in the training videos. He had started to come good when Hecky came in and unfortunately got injured. 20+ for him this season.
Berge - as with Brewster, he flourished under Hecky - need to hold off bids if any come.
Davis - would be a great signing if we get him. Brewster & him could form a formidable partnership - Kabba and Shipperley
Clark - another astute signing if it comes off. Can't see him pushing Egan or Basham out of the team, but a very good player to offer competition and cover at the back

UTB !

Love your enthusiasm, but please don't use that phrase on us

 

[SufcBilly]

I’m almost 100% certain it’s Khadra not Davis

 

[Aston max]

I’m almost 100% certain it’s Khadra not Davis

Or both

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Weren't we a top two club points wise starting from when we went back to 3 at the back? Certainly for long periods we were. If we don't give sides a 5 game headstart I am hopeful we will have a better season that squeezing into the play offs last year but the championship is hard to predict especially when there's still 50+ days for squads to change

 

[Cheesebored]

No, not them lot, us !!
Tongue in cheek obviously, but I'm getting excited by the prospects of next season.

Anel - sounds like we have a real bargain, a top, top player on our hands.
Doyle - likewise. Offers competition in midfield and this can only be good for Fleck and Norwood who have, at times become very complacent.
Brewster - looking very sharp in the training videos. He had started to come good when Hecky came in and unfortunately got injured. 20+ for him this season.
Berge - as with Brewster, he flourished under Hecky - need to hold off bids if any come.
Davis - would be a great signing if we get him. Brewster & him could form a formidable partnership - Kabba and Shipperley
Clark - another astute signing if it comes off. Can't see him pushing Egan or Basham out of the team, but a very good player to offer competition and cover at the back

UTB !

Like you I'm hopeful but it could just as easily go the other way. Anels just been relegated, Doyle was pretty anonymous when he played against us, Berge could still leave and we've lost our best player from last season. Times that by a zillion and dip it in chocolate.

 

[Bladey_blade]

Davis signing means Berge leaving I think. Because you can't fit Berge, Ndiaye, Brewster and Davis in the same team with 3 CBs

It's a very long season and the teams that have the quality in depth go up, no harm in rotation, plus one injury and it's opened up entirely

 

[Carlton Blade]

It's a very long season and the teams that have the quality in depth go up, no harm in rotation, plus one injury and it's opened up entirely

I agree but that's a giant financial commitment in wages that goes against what the club has been saying

 

[Bladesthorpe]

Remember Ben Woodburn, calm down.

 

[jt64]

Davis signing means Berge leaving I think. Because you can't fit Berge, Ndiaye, Brewster and Davis in the same team with 3 CBs

must resist temptation to remind posters it is a squad game and nobody uses the same XI in every game

 

[west_yorks_blade]

But will we take 3k to QPR in HMS Piss the League?

Otherwise it’s just a battered old tug boat.

 

[Carlton Blade]

must resist temptation to remind posters it is a squad game and nobody uses the same XI in every game

Must resist temptation to say the club has already said they'll be having a smaller squad and that there are financial concerns regarding the wage bill.

You can't have everything. And you certainly can't carry Doyle, Norwood, Fleck, Ndiaye, Coulibaly, Berge, Sharp, McBurnie, Brewster and add Davis without something having to give. Plus you still have the wasted duplicated salary of Stevens/Lowe to sort out.

 

[jt64]

Must resist temptation to say the club has already said they'll be having a smaller squad and that there are financial concerns regarding the wage bill.

You can't have everything. And you certainly can't carry Doyle, Norwood, Fleck, Ndiaye, Coulibaly, Berge, Sharp, McBurnie, Brewster and add Davis without something having to give. Plus you still have the wasted duplicated salary of Stevens/Lowe to sort out.

10 players for 5 starting positions seems reasonable enough to me

 

[Snowflake]

Davis signing means Berge leaving I think. Because you can't fit Berge, Ndiaye, Brewster and Davis in the same team with 3 CBs

Why not ?
Five at the back plus keeper leaves space for Doyle.
May be a bit imaginative but exciting !

 

[Carlton Blade]

10 players for 5 starting positions seems reasonable enough to me

And that's why it's a good job you aren't in charge of the finances for a Championship team. You can have cover. You can't have cover that constitutes some of your best and most expensive players and still keep a hold on the outgoings

 

[SufcBilly]

And that's why it's a good job you aren't in charge of the finances for a Championship team. You can have cover. You can't have cover that constitutes some of your best and most expensive players and still keep a hold on the outgoings

The reward negates the risk for one season in my opinion.

 

[Carlton Blade]

The reward negates the risk for one season in my opinion.

And if the club can afford it, great. It just goes against all the evidence they've put forward so far in terms of words and actions

But Doyle, Davis, Ndiaye and Berge will all expect to start every game they are available

 

[jt64]

And that's why it's a good job you aren't in charge of the finances for a Championship team. You can have cover. You can't have cover that constitutes some of your best and most expensive players and still keep a hold on the outgoings

Ah, so in the critical areas of the pitch you want basically the bare bones of starters and then youth team players, got you. How much do you think we're actually paying Coulibaly, Doyle, Ndiaye, Sharp and (if it comes through) Davis anyway? Every single one of those, if not more of them, will be on below average wages for the Championship

 

[Carlton Blade]

Ah, so in the critical areas of the pitch you want basically the bare bones of starters and then youth team players, got you. How much do you think we're actually paying Coulibaly, Doyle, Ndiaye, Sharp and (if it comes through) Davis anyway? Every single one of those, if not more of them, will be on below average wages for the Championship

What do you think the average wage is in the Championship? If you think Doyle, Sharp and Davis are on less than that then this is a bit of a waste of a conversation. Ndiaye signed a new deal last season, he will not be on nothing. Same for Coulibaly, he's not on nothing.

Also, where did I say it had to be bare bones and youth players? If you're going to be condescending about it at least try and read what I wrote.

 

[SufcBilly]

And if the club can afford it, great. It just goes against all the evidence they've put forward so far in terms of words and actions

But Doyle, Davis, Ndiaye and Berge will all expect to start every game they are available

I’m pretty certain it isn’t Davis so I think there’s a lot of conjecture and panic over not a lot. Ndiaye has trouble doing a full 90. Berge has had a serious injury in the past. There’s 8 games in august alone. The club know what they’re doing

 

[Carlton Blade]

I’m pretty certain it isn’t Davis so I think there’s a lot of conjecture and panic over not a lot. Ndiaye has trouble doing a full 90. Berge has had a serious injury in the past. There’s 8 games in august alone. The club know what they’re doing

If we are signing fully formed Championship players with the ability to step up a level as cover then the financial situation at the club is a lot better than has been made out. If that's the case then brilliant

 

[ben1987]

Don’t forget we can make 5 subs this season so we can utilise more players and the overall squad becomes even more important.

 

[jt64]

What do you think the average wage is in the Championship? If you think Doyle, Sharp and Davis are on less than that then this is a bit of a waste of a conversation. Ndiaye signed a new deal last season, he will not be on nothing. Same for Coulibaly, he's not on nothing.

Also, where did I say it had to be bare bones and youth players? If you're going to be condescending about it at least try and read what I wrote.

We wouldn't be paying all of Doyle/Davis' wages so what they are earning at their parent clubs is a moot point, and it's not a long term issue regardless, and Sharp isn't going to be on absolute boatloads of cash at this stage. The only real high earners out of that list I would summise are Berge, Brewster and McBurnie. Berge offers value for money. Brewster I would imagine will do at this level once he returns from injury. McBurnie, while I don't share the level of pure hatred that many have here, in fairness hasn't worked, but there's one year left on the contract and then it ceases to be a problem. We have parachute payments to cover these transitional years. You say that Ndiaye signed a new deal, how much do you think he's earning now, and how do you think it compares to typical Championship wages?

 

[GrunkyPeep]

Must resist temptation to say the club has already said they'll be having a smaller squad and that there are financial concerns regarding the wage bill.

You can't have everything. And you certainly can't carry Doyle, Norwood, Fleck, Ndiaye, Coulibaly, Berge, Sharp, McBurnie, Brewster and add Davis without something having to give. Plus you still have the wasted duplicated salary of Stevens/Lowe to sort out.

Something has given though.

We got rid of Burke, McGoldrick, Freeman, Verrips, Mousset, Uremovic, Davies, MGW, Hourihane, and Goode. I'm probably missing more too. That's a good chunk of wages saved when you consider that 4 of those were signed in the Prem.

 

[Panini]

Don’t forget we can make 5 subs this season so we can utilise more players and the overall squad becomes even more important.

This is the key point that many are overlooking.

Teams will obviously make more subs, but they'll also start making them earlier. It's not impossible to keep a squad happy if they know that even when they don't start they'll get 30mins+ off the bench

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Davis signing means Berge leaving I think. Because you can't fit Berge, Ndiaye, Brewster and Davis in the same team with 3 CBs

Or could Doyle provide a suitable partner for Berge to play with in CM ?

Berge staying would be the complicated bit if we sign more attacking starters like Davis and Khadra, but what a nice problem to have. It's the sort of thing we have to do if we're serious about going up

 

[Gin&Juice]

Delete this thread

 

[Carlton Blade]

We wouldn't be paying all of Doyle/Davis' wages so what they are earning at their parent clubs is a moot point, and it's not a long term issue regardless, and Sharp isn't going to be on absolute boatloads of cash at this stage. The only real high earners out of that list I would summise are Berge, Brewster and McBurnie. Berge offers value for money. Brewster I would imagine will do at this level once he returns from injury. McBurnie, while I don't share the level of pure hatred that many have here, in fairness hasn't worked, but there's one year left on the contract and then it ceases to be a problem. We have parachute payments to cover these transitional years. You say that Ndiaye signed a new deal, how much do you think he's earning now, and how do you think it compares to typical Championship wages?

I think Ndiaye is on at least Championship average wages. It wasn't an easy deal to get over the line. Why wouldn't we be paying all of Davis' wages? He's in the last year of his deal at Villa so they have no reason to not just want his money out of the way. I have no idea how City do business on loan deals but it won't be free. They have FFP stuff they have to meet so all income is welcome (as rich as they are, there still needs to be real money coming in). Sharp will be on a very good wage. He's a very good Championship player, captain and club representative. That doesn't come cheap.

The parachute payments aren't there to allow you to keep spending as you want. Last season we had the PP's + Ramsdale sale and still couldn't bring in the sort of players required. This season the PP's are less (and we are paying interest on them). The Ramsdale money was taken as a lump sum (via Macquerie) last season so has gone. That's approximately a £35-£45m hole in the revenue pot. We have reduced the wage bill by moving some players on which is good. But we are still carrying a fair whack of salaries with PL legacy for players who do not provide consistent (or in the case of Stevens and McBurnie any) value.

If we can afford to have a starting forward 5 of Norwood, Doyle, Ndiaye, Berge and Davis with Fleck, Sharp, Coulibaly, Brewster in reseve then that's fantastic and will go a long way to making us at least as competitive as the Post-Slav team from last season. I just think the evidence of how we've acted financially in the last 2 years goes against that.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Something has given though.

We got rid of Burke, McGoldrick, Freeman, Verrips, Mousset, Uremovic, Davies, MGW, Hourihane, and Goode. I'm probably missing more too. That's a good chunk of wages saved when you consider that 4 of those were signed in the Prem.

But there's also a £35m revenue drop from last season