Hendrie is the best footballing midfielder we have

[yuley82]

He hasn't hindered the goal scoring thats for sure

no he hasn't, i think he brings more to the forward line than beattie did.. (if he could get a few more goals)

 

[yuley82]

but monty's a defensive midfielder not an atacking midfielder you need someone like monty in the midfield or you get over run in the midfield

i know, it's The One who thought he could get forward and creat more than howard that i was just pointing a few things out to.

 

[Sensiblade]

stats mean nothing??? top goal scoring charts and average attendances mean nothing then!!! I said when quoted like you quoted them, Howard is an attacking midfielder, Monty is a defensive one so Monty will on average score less than Howard.

i'm not doubting or sayin that monty doesn't work hard or try his best, i said i think hendrie and howard would be a better pairing!! Two attacking midfielders in the centre doesnt work, look at England when Lampard & Gerrard play together, it doesn't work.
And just tackling isn't enough which alot of you seem to think is, he needs to do something with the ball when he wins it which he doesn't. He has been playing some good short and long passes when i have seen him this season (which is more than 75% of home matches)
As for flashy players?? could you name a few plz... not just someone who does a step over. In our side compared to the rest of the squad, Hendrie, Howard, Carney & Quinn are all flashier than the rest, if you played a comb of any of those in the centre then in my opinoon it wouldn't work.

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[yuley82]

two players like gerrard n lamps don't work because they are both attacking is the biggest load of bollocks ever told,they dont work cos each one of them want's to be better than the other not cos there both attacking players.. but thats nothing to do with the blades, blackwell picks the team and the team is winning so i'm not bothered if i'm completely honest as long as we keep picking up the results. But it will be interesting to see how he does on tuesday against donny who like to pass the ball.

 

[Hartyblade]

I don't think Monty is Consistent enough, that said i don't beleive anyone is in our midfield at the moment. If someone can pick up there act im sure we will see some better results coming in for the blades.

+ Monty played awesome against Leyton orient
= Average against Norwich
- He was dire yesterday and made me feel sick.

 

[Deleted member 1466]

Id love for Hendrie to play in the derby and score infront of the pig fans, because you just know he is the sort of person that will do something in the celebration to rile them up :kissass:

 

[Linz]

Id love for Hendrie to play in the derby and score infront of the pig fans, because you just know he is the sort of person that will do something in the celebration to rile them up :kissass:

Aye... and get us in trouble.

I think we need a balance in the midfield... if you play a midfield with Webber, Quinn, Hendrie and Howard... who exactly is going to win the ball back?

If a defensive midfield doesn't matter, why don't we play with four strikers across and see how far we get?

This is proper football... not a piss about on Championship Manager.

 

[Robbie]

Yuley, your arguement is flawed with bringing stats into it.

As the examples show below.

Brian howard 15 apperances or a couple more, 1 goal and 27 in 121 games for barnsley, Monty 238+ games 7 goals

no he hasn't, i think he brings more to the forward line than beattie did.. (if he could get a few more goals)

By your first reasoning, Beattie would bring more to the team because he scored more (by a fair distance too).

But by your second reasoning, you're saying that Monty COULD possibly bring more to the team than Howard.

Also if you wish to take stats into the equation.... goals is not a good indicator when you compare an attacking midfielder and a defensive midfielder. Also, Brian Howard was also the penalty taker for Barnsley - so that would increase his productivity in the goal scoring area.

Back on topic - Hendrie should be starting in my opinion. I never wanted to sign him, mainly because of his high wages. But we have him so we may as well utilise his presence. He looks the part for me, always looking for a quick exchange, always looking for an early option. But we shouldn't play him left wing. GET HIM IN MIDDLE.

 

[dutchblade]

Monty, a defensive midfielder versus Howard, a attacking midfielder. Not really honest to look at how many goals one of them scored. Monty is on his best when Quinn plays next to him, cause Quinny is not afraid to work hard and get the second ball, just like Monty. Howard is good when the sun shines and it s around 21 degrees celsius. Think he is overrated after that cuprun last year with Barnsley.
For Hendrie.., don t think there s future for him at the Lane.

 

[bettsyblade86]

i'd like to see hendrie given a chance, he likes to play proper football and could give us something extra on the ball, i rate him much higher than i rate howard at the moment, give him a chance, see what happens,we arent exactly bursting at the seems with real quality

 

[yuley82]

Aye... and get us in trouble.

I think we need a balance in the midfield... if you play a midfield with Webber, Quinn, Hendrie and Howard... who exactly is going to win the ball back?

If a defensive midfield doesn't matter, why don't we play with four strikers across and see how far we get?

This is proper football... not a piss about on Championship Manager.

hendrie would win the ball back, four strikers would be daft, who said owt about playin a team full of strikers????? As for a defensive midfielder, that is something off of champ man totally made up, you need a midfielder that can sit and spray balls about i.e. carrick, terrible at tackling but great at passing and holds man u midfield together!!!!

 

[The One]

Howard, an attacking midfielder? Give over!

 

[Sensiblade]

hendrie would win the ball back, four strikers would be daft, who said owt about playin a team full of strikers????? As for a defensive midfielder, that is something off of champ man totally made up, you need a midfielder that can sit and spray balls about i.e. carrick, terrible at tackling but great at passing and holds man u midfield together!!!!

I think Carrick is classed as a defensive midfielder.

Actually Wiki says 'Holding midfielder' which imo is the same thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Carrick

 

[Foxy]

hendrie would win the ball back

With the best will in the world towards Lee Hendrie, there is absolutely no way on this earth he can play his normal game AND consistently win the ball back. He hasn't got the engine and it's just not his game.

 

[DazBlade88]

People can slate Monty all they want, but you need a defensive midfielder to win the ball back and help ease the pressure on the defence.

Take Makelele for example, he never did anything flashy throughout his career. He just won the ball back, played the simple ball to a more creative player, but in my opinion he's one of the greatest midfielders to ever play the game.

 

[Lincoln Blade]

No offense but I dont agree with that.

Take Makelele for example, he never did anything flashy throughout his career. He just won the ball back, played the simple ball to a more creative player, but in my opinion he's one of the greatest midfielders to ever play the game.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I agree he is one of the greatest midfielders about but he was far more than just a player who won the ball back just in front of the defnense. He had an eye for goal and was creative in his own right and could find his man, amazing passing rate. The worse part of Monty's game is passing!

If we are playing against a good footballing team such as donny, burnley, wolves, reading etc. he is wasted because he is no good going forward or finding his man. I agree that Monty is good in the scrappier games against most championship teams but I think it is about time that Hendrie is given a chance to start a match in the league. See if he can do both jobs, covering at the back and going forward spraying balls out.

Lincoln Blade

 

[Deleted member 1466]

People can slate Monty all they want, but you need a defensive midfielder to win the ball back and help ease the pressure on the defence.

Take Makelele for example, he never did anything flashy throughout his career. He just won the ball back, played the simple ball to a more creative player, but in my opinion he's one of the greatest midfielders to ever play the game.

But monty fails at the simple ball more often than not.

And his first touch is a pass, and his second touch is a tackle!

 

[Linz]

But monty fails at the simple ball more often than not.

And his first touch is a pass, and his second touch is a tackle!

But is that really the case?

Or do you think it's the case because you're looking out for Monty losing the ball, more so than his team mates?

Does anyone want to sit there with a pen and paper tomorrow and work out exactly how many passes go astray and who is the person passing the ball?

 

[yuley82]

thank you solomon and lincoln blade, thats all i was getting at is that monty's first touch and passing are poor. No one is doubting his work rate and ability to spoil certain oppositions games, but good footballing sides will just have him chasing shadows.

 

[Deleted member 1466]

But is that really the case?

Or do you think it's the case because you're looking out for Monty losing the ball, more so than his team mates?

Does anyone want to sit there with a pen and paper tomorrow and work out exactly how many passes go astray and who is the person passing the ball?

get a grip HE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!

 

[silverfox]

get a grip HE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!

Most of them, if not all, are not good enough for where all our fans want us to be, so what now?

 

[SBSP]

I dont know how you can call yourslef and want Monty playing in our team, he is a laughing stock.

Before you all start I dont just turn up to the match wanting and waiting for him to drop a bollock. I have watched him since he started palying for us and I just cannot understand why he gets picked. Its just that its hard to pick up on good points when all he does us fuck up.

I think some of you refuse to see his problems and just defend him whatever he does.

If you take the perfect stereotype for a defensive midfield ou can see where he falls dow. Obviously I dont expect to hae Makele playing for us but you have to have standards.

Can Monty.......
Make a tackle - yes, but commits a foul a lot of the time and mostly the tackle needs to be made because he has lost the ball.

Play a 'simple' pass - not a prayer, doesnt have the footballing ability or brain for it.

Mark his man - how anyone has played football for that long and has no idea of positioning s beyond me. If you want someone to just follow the ball without paying any attention to the opposition, hes your man.

Run for 90 mins & try his best - yes, but that doesnt make you a professional footballer now does it.

Whoever put the quote about Monty being creative is either blind or does not go to the matches.

Back to Hendrie, i have no idea why he has been pushed out of this club. In my opinion our midfield should be built around someone like him. He can play a pass, score a (deflected) free kick and is more than willing to put a tackle in.

He did more coming on Saturday that Monty has done in the last 5 seasons.

 

[The One]

I dont know how you can call yourslef and want Monty playing in our team, he is a laughing stock.

Before you all start I dont just turn up to the match wanting and waiting for him to drop a bollock. I have watched him since he started palying for us and I just cannot understand why he gets picked. Its just that its hard to pick up on good points when all he does us fuck up.

I think some of you refuse to see his problems and just defend him whatever he does.

If you take the perfect stereotype for a defensive midfield ou can see where he falls dow. Obviously I dont expect to hae Makele playing for us but you have to have standards.

Can Monty.......
Make a tackle - yes, but commits a foul a lot of the time and mostly the tackle needs to be made because he has lost the ball.

Play a 'simple' pass - not a prayer, doesnt have the footballing ability or brain for it.

Mark his man - how anyone has played football for that long and has no idea of positioning s beyond me. If you want someone to just follow the ball without paying any attention to the opposition, hes your man.

Run for 90 mins & try his best - yes, but that doesnt make you a professional footballer now does it.

Whoever put the quote about Monty being creative is either blind or does not go to the matches.

Back to Hendrie, i have no idea why he has been pushed out of this club. In my opinion our midfield should be built around someone like him. He can play a pass, score a (deflected) free kick and is more than willing to put a tackle in.

He did more coming on Saturday that Monty has done in the last 5 seasons.

You had a nice argument, until you said that.

Oh and the mark his man question....don't just have a go at Monty for this, because both CM tend to drift out to the side. And who says they've been told to man mark? These day's it zonal marking most of the time.

Monty is more creative than Howard, cos he's cack, at the moment.

And Monty can play the simple ball, people just ignore it.

We played Wolves, one of the best players on the pitch? Montgomery. Didn't chase shadows too often that game.

 

[SBSP]

I admit that the last comment was a bit over the top. But it makes me so pissed off having to watch him every week. He takes up a valueable place in the starting XI. We would be so much better without him.

Not meaning without a defensive mid (although I dont think we need one) just having one with at least an ounce of footballing ability. Rather than having one central midfielder and one headless chicken.

 

[The One]

I admit that the last comment was a bit over the top. But it makes me so pissed off having to watch him every week. He takes up a valueable place in the starting XI. We would be so much better without him.

Not meaning without a defensive mid (although I dont think we need one) just having one with at least an ounce of footballing ability. Rather than having one central midfielder and one headless chicken.

I have no problem at all Hendrie coming in but we NEED that defensive midfielder. And Monty's it. Howard isn't good enough, mainly because he has't found his form yet.
Unless Quinn is willing to play that holding role so Hendrie can get forward then fair enough, but Quinn is effective going forward and plays better with Monty at the side of him. The same for Monty with Quinn.

Play Hendrie on the left if anywhere.

 

[silverfox]

I admit that the last comment was a bit over the top.

That's the main problem and why many stick up for him.

Why pick him out when Howard as been as bad if not worse this season.

I've said elsewhere we need better players, if we are to go where we want to, but not to just replace Monty.

 

[SBSP]

Is your opinion that we do need a defensive mid or we do need Monty, or both?

Im dont think we need to play someone there, we are 'supposedly' one of the better teams in this league. We should be letting the opposition worry about our attacking that us always playing a formation more interested in stopping them.

I think Hendrie will be much more effective in the middle of the prk pulling the strings. Depending on formation I would prefer Quinn or Webber out there.

I dont think we have seen the best of Howard yet, I think he may need a bit more time to settle. Im still not sure where he can be best utilised. He may tyet urn out to not be good enough.

The thing with Monty is just that I dont understand what people see in him.

 

[silverfox]

Is your opinion that we do need a defensive mid or we do need Monty, or both?

Im dont think we need to play someone there, we are 'supposedly' one of the better teams in this league. We should be letting the opposition worry about our attacking that us always playing a formation more interested in stopping them.

I think Hendrie will be much more effective in the middle of the prk pulling the strings. Depending on formation I would prefer Quinn or Webber out there.

I think Monty is the best option we have for the way we play at the moment.

In this league you need the "spoilers" for want of a better word.

None of our alternatives seem strong enough or have the energy to cover other players mistakes and lack of tracking back.

The midfield of old where you had a dominant ball playing midfield general seem to have gone.

Unless you lot can name one that's done or doing the business in a winning team?

I haven't seen a Sid Cowans or TC who could run a game for years!

 

[Foxy]

I dont know how you can call yourslef and want Monty playing in our team, he is a laughing stock.

He quite clearly isn't.

I have watched him since he started palying for us and I just cannot understand why he gets picked. Its just that its hard to pick up on good points when all he does us fuck up.

You clearly can't have watched him that carefully.

I think some of you refuse to see his problems and just defend him whatever he does.

Every player has their limitations, makes mistakes at times, can be poor in certain areas.... This doesn't mean they can't provide a positive impact on the game though.

Can Monty.......
Make a tackle - yes, but commits a foul a lot of the time and mostly the tackle needs to be made because he has lost the ball.

Quantify "a lot of the time"? You could also easily say a lot of the time he wins the ball cleanly and re-gains possession.

Play a 'simple' pass - not a prayer, doesnt have the footballing ability or brain for it.

What is this based on? Of course he can play a 'simple' pass, he's a professional footballer, he's spent his career making simple pass after simple pass successfully. Yes there may be a few that you groan at, but this is the case with EVERY player, its just Monty is singled out when this happens. Sun Jihai and Kyle Naughton to name but two misplaced a similar amount of passes on Saturday, yet where were the groans when they did? Where are the posts calling them an embarrassment/laughing stock?

Mark his man - how anyone has played football for that long and has no idea of positioning s beyond me. If you want someone to just follow the ball without paying any attention to the opposition, hes your man.

I thought you actually watched him? A number of professionals in the game have commented on his man marking, including Patrick Vieira who heaped praise on him. Did you notice who was ALWAYS there covering on Saturday when someone got caught out of position? Correct, Mr Montgomery. He was often in right back/centre back positions covering and stopping Charlton.

Whoever put the quote about Monty being creative is either blind or does not go to the matches.

If you watched him as much as you claim, then surely you'd see it wasn't such an alien idea that Monty *can* create things? Do you also not remember his emergence on the scene? as a winger? Fair enough he doesn't currently regularly create chance after chance.... but that's not the sort of role we play him in!

He did more coming on Saturday that Monty has done in the last 5 seasons.

...and that right there, says all I need to know about just how much you have watched Nick Montgomery without being clouded by pre-conceptions.

I wonder if some of the Monty stuff would have been toned down if Danny Webber hadn't have scored and been brought off early on Saturday?

 

[BexleyBlade]

And Monty can play the simple ball, people just ignore it.

Spot on. People tend not to notice the simple things. Think about every match, it's only natural to remember the goals or major incidents. Monty is not that sort of player, he isn't in the team to score goals from 20/30 yards nor is he getting paid to take on the whole of the oppositions midfield.

The whole idea of a holding/defensive midfielder is 'win ball. release ball.' (as that Carlos Quieros once said). If you sit there tomorrow and just follow Monty's game maybe some will notice the different side to his game. He is not a Makelele-probably a poor mans but the fact that he is playing at such a high level of football and was noticed by other established prem teams maybe shows why we are not in charge of championship/premiership clubs.

He is reliable and dependable. Give him a break. Our defensive success this season is not solely down to him, but the correlation is evident.

Oh and finally, as for the first touch pass, second touch foul comment. Bollocks. His disciplinary record backs this up I believe. Oh, wait. Are stats still useless in this thread?