CONFIRMED Harry Maguire - Signed for Hull City

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Guesty said:
'Ark at you complaining about hypocrisy!

Banging on about players' morality and duty to United when it suits you (Jagielka, Maguire) but yet welcoming back with open arms a player who has done far worse than mess a football club about a bit. And you had to gall to complain about 'moralistic hand-wringing' or whatever the phrase was.
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Who mentioned morality? Not me. I deal in rules and regulations, not morals. Maguire can be as immoral or amoral as he likes without any criticism from me. I do, however, deprecate lack of professionalism and good faith in any walk of life.

Football is, above all, a team game. Deliberate, calculated petulance is inimical with a team ethos. Maguire behaved like a spoiled brat. His weasel words cut no ice with me.

I imagine your later reference is to Ched Evans? He made an isolated mistake. On a different day, with a different jury, he might well have been acquitted. He was not, neither will his renewed "appeal" succeed. However, he is neither a pervert nor a danger to the public. Once he has served his sentence, he is entitled (subject to his licence period) to resume a 'normal' life. Why should that not include the unfinished business of scoring the goals to take our club back to the Championship?

Note to All: Sorry to raise the Ched issue, but Guesty started it! :eek:
 
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Bladesway said:
Theres a good point in here. In spite of investments and how great things have been under Clough we have still sold our best player. Theres a fair argument that nothing has actually changed within this. I don't agree because you will need to see if we spend the money from HM to strengthen and most likely you won't know until the season starts at the very least. However, for those who think everything is now rosy we have just sold our best player and in spite of what people think we didn't HAVE to.
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I have a pretty good idea on where the money recieved for Maguire will go and it won't be on new players. Now others might say things have changed in the United boardroom but I doubt it. History would strongly suggest same owd United no ambition.
 
Im hoping that we sign a couple of big name strikers, the beard & coady to placate the fanbase.

Im doubting we will......... But theres hope yet!
 
Pinchy said:
Who mentioned morality? Not me. I deal in rules and regulations, not morals. Maguire can be as immoral or amoral as he likes without any criticism from me. I do, however, deprecate lack of professionalism and good faith in any walk of life. :eek:
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Yes, clearly.

I looked back, it was Darren who mentioned morals, not you (although it was in response to you), my apologies. My point still stands though, Without wishing to derail the thread, what football fans can and cannot forgive I find fascinating. And a bit sickening.
 
Guesty said:
Yes, clearly.

I looked back, it was Darren who mentioned morals, not you (although it was in response to you), my apologies. My point still stands though, Without wishing to derail the thread, what football fans can and cannot forgive I find fascinating. And a bit sickening.
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No apology needed mate. It's an exchange of opinions.

At the risk of sickening you further, there is a wide range of conduct within the crime of rape. Personally, I have no difficulty in taking different views on different rapes. In a different context, by way of example only, I would be perfectly happy for Jordan Robertson to play for United but not Lee Hughes.

To that extent I suppose I am making a moral judgement.
 
Pinchy said:
No apology needed mate. It's an exchange of opinions.

At the risk of sickening you further, there is a wide range of conduct within the crime of rape. Personally, I have no difficulty in taking different views on different rapes. In a different context, by way of example only, I would be perfectly happy for Jordan Robertson to play for United but not Lee Hughes.

To that extent I suppose I am making a moral judgement.
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I understand that it's not crime is not black and white but I still find it funny that among a lot of people a player agitating for a move provokes far more ire than a player rendering himself unavailable due to criminal activity. And that's without going into the specifics of this crime (an emotive subject) - Surely acting outwith the law and getting yourself incarcerated fucks the club over more than attempting to force a move?
 
Hartley Hare said:
I am afraid this seems to be the way of modern football.

I don't blame Harry, he has secured his financial future, you can't hold that against him. Gawd knows what he will earn in the next three years, but one thing for sure it is far more than we could pay or would be allowed to pay given the FFP regulations.

The club had no choice but to sell, and the fee seems reasonable.

I would rather he had stayed, like most, but this was never going to happen, while we failed to win promotion and get out of the third tier of English football. Promotion is our only chance to hang on to the best young players. I hope Harry does well, he has been a good player for us over the last few years.

It is a bit worrying, that arguably we have lost three of our best performers from last season, and three regular first team players.

I hope the money is used now to acquire first team players - that twenty goal striker we badly need, and a decent defender to replace Harry.

HH.
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A couple of things HH,it is not modern football,it has nothing to do with FOOTBALL selling your best players.If it was something to do with FOOTBALL,we would keep our best players in the respective leagues to get out of that league.Its all about lining people's pockets and buisness,when have we grabbed the bull by the horns so to speak and really had a go.

I'm not having Hull paying that much more than what we COULD OR SHOULD have offered either,if you want to keep your best players,you pay for it.No,we don't want to do that do we:rolleyes:

The club had no choice but to sell you say,i'm sorry but unless the club has lied,which they have never done before by the wayo_OThey quite clearly said we didn't have to sell,so we sell him,fucking bullshit yet again.

I have a feeling that if the prince was still having a more hands on approach,we wouldn't have sold him,having said that,mccabe would have propably talked him round.

The money we have now,which must be in the region of 4 to 5 million,must be spent on quality not quantity of players,we have quite a big squad now with all the youngsters etc etc,its got to be quality now,because if we get injuries,i don't think our replacement players are anywhere near as good as the supposable first xi

You don't get promoted from ANY league by keeping your shit or average players,you only do it by keeping your good ones,now as simple as that may sound,we make it look very difficult indeed.
 
Deadly_D'Jaffo said:
http://mobile.hullcitytigers.com/news/article/1415-maguire-signing-interview-1790631.aspx

"another season playing in League One is something that didn’t really appeal to me."

Exactly what part of that statement did or do the club have control over?
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He had a year left on his contract. In spite of what people say to you the club hold the cards. I'm not arguing we shouldn't have sold him for the money but just because the wee lamb wants to play with the big boys and stamps his feet you don't HAVE to sell him. The club has ultimate control over anyone it employs.
 
That Assombalonga thing isn't really a comparative. I wonder what Peterborough's response would be if Hull waved £2m at them and then unsettled the player to the point where he was potentially disruptive. I'm willing to bet that they'd settle for less than £5m. In addition, he's got another 2-3 years on his contract unlike Maguire's 11 months.

Clough, ever since he joined United, has made it abundantly clear that he will not tolerate anyone who is less than 100% committed to Sheffield United FC. Once Maguire's head was turned that was that.
 
Bladesway said:
He had a year left on his contract. In spite of what people say to you the club hold the cards. I'm not arguing we shouldn't have sold him for the money but just because the wee lamb wants to play with the big boys and stamps his feet you don't HAVE to sell him. The club has ultimate control over anyone it employs.
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It does. But the club can make a rational decision that with the amount of money on the table and the player's obvious disatisfaction, it is in everyone's interest to sell
 
Darren said:
It does. But the club can make a rational decision that with the amount of money on the table and the player's obvious disatisfaction, it is in everyone's interest to sell
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I agree but let's not pretend the club has no power to say no.
 

Darren said:
It does. But the club can make a rational decision that with the amount of money on the table and the player's obvious disatisfaction, it is in everyone's interest to sell
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I don't disagree but when will we ever break this endless cycle of selling our best players and under achieving. If we re-invest the money in quality players then I would see that as a step in the right direction but will it happen, I hope so but have my doubts.
 
Darren said:
Of course it can say "no". It can make him stick to the contract and plonk him in the under 21's if he plays up.

However, there comes a time when one is cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
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As mentioned above, I do wonder how much of this was also down to Clough not wanting him around the rest of the squad.
 
Darren said:
It can make him stick to the contract and plonk him in the under 21's if he plays up.
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Or it can play him and he can play out of his skin and earn a move of his own choosing, to a better club than Hull City, when his contract expires.

I suspect Clough wanted the cash rather than the player, let's hope he doesn't end up with neither.
 
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Grecian2000 said:
Or it can play him and he can play out of his skin and earn a move of his own choosing, to a better club than Hill City, when his contract expires.

I suspect Clough wanted the cash rather than the player, let's hope he doesn't end up with neither.
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It can, but that depends on the player's reaction to the attempted inspiring. If the player says "fuck that, I could break my leg tomorrow, have an offer from a PL club on the table now. Gimmee, Gimmee", that approach will not work.
 
Here is a novel idea, we could have said no and meant it rather than collapse at the first tantrum from Harry. A word in his ear to the effect of grow up and act professional or train and play with the youth team and totally wreck your career might have kept his feet on the ground, it is not like we would not have received compensation at the end of Harry's contract. But no, wave the cash in front of the Bramall lane board and they are like love struck girls ........... soft as shit. No need to sell our best players my arse, as soon as the Prince goes home it is business as usual at BDTBL. The club for once (allegedly) held all the cards yet fell for the bluff and a tantrum, a set of spineless tossers. Now some question as to was there ever any real investment put into the club I guess that unless we see some significant signings very soon we will have our answers.
 
Interesting to read comments like 'the board is soft' and this is 'typical United', given we've been knocking back bids for Maguire all summer. 'Typical United' would have been selling at the first bid from Wolves.

In terms of the board, my understanding of how things work behind the scenes is that Clough is quite hands-on with incomings and outgoings alongside Mal Brannigan - for this particular deal it looks like this is something Clough has decided to do after weighing up all the pros and cons of selling now vs keeping a player that wants to leave. This doesn't seem like a deal ordered by the board that's been taken out of Clough's hands.
 
LoughboroBlade said:
Interesting to read comments like 'the board is soft' and this is 'typical United', given we've been knocking back bids for Maguire all summer. 'Typical United' would have been selling at the first bid from Wolves.

In terms of the board, my understanding of how things work behind the scenes is that Clough is quite hands-on with incomings and outgoings alongside Mal Brannigan - for this particular deal it looks like this is something Clough has decided to do after weighing up all the pros and cons of selling now vs keeping a player that wants to leave. This doesn't seem like a deal ordered by the board that's been taken out of Clough's hands.
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I'm sorry, but saying that we didn't sell him as soon as we could is no consolation whatsoever.

If this is Cloughs idea, I hope he has someone good up front lined up as well as Freeman coming in, or it was a dumb move.
 
Eyup lads, Hull fan in peace. Now i must say i don't know anything about the lad Maguire, i didn't even notice him at Wemblee. But having read through this thread, i can see a lot of you aren't too chuffed to lose him,even though the price (anywhere between 2 and 3m) is a very good one for a div 3 defender.

Some of you even believe he might play for England ??? Now you do realise we have signed him as a development player ? Now this won't mean he'll play in our reserves, as our reserve set up is frankly pathetic for a prem club. As you will know, we are in the Europa league this season, and that's where Harry will get his games,as well as the other cup games.

In those games he'll have to rapidly show he is even ready for our bench. Before he can even think about getting past Davies and Chester, he'll need to get past Paul Mcshane, Alex Bruce and possibly, Brede Hangeland. Harry has a lot to prove.

Anyway, if he's anything like as good as Stephen Quinn, we'll be more than happy.
 
Revolution said:
I'm sorry, but saying that we didn't sell him as soon as we could is no consolation whatsoever.

If this is Cloughs idea, I hope he has someone good up front lined up as well as Freeman coming in, or it was a dumb move.
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No consolation whatever? Each to their own I guess - I'd have been far more annoyed had we taken the first bid that came in. Though in retrospect, perhaps you're right - it would have given everyone far more of an opportunity to calm down before the season started.
 
wizadry said:
The club had no choice but to sell you say,i'm sorry but unless the club has lied,which they have never done before by the wayo_OThey quite clearly said we didn't have to sell,so we sell him,fucking bullshit yet again.
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Wasn't that comment prior to Harry throwing certain toys out of his pram?
That's changes the game somewhat.
 
Happiness Stan said:
Eyup lads, Hull fan in peace. Now i must say i don't know anything about the lad Maguire, i didn't even notice him at Wemblee. But having read through this thread, i can see a lot of you aren't too chuffed to lose him,even though the price (anywhere between 2 and 3m) is a very good one for a div 3 defender.

Some of you even believe he might play for England ??? Now you do realise we have signed him as a development player ? Now this won't mean he'll play in our reserves, as our reserve set up is frankly pathetic for a prem club. As you will know, we are in the Europa league this season, and that's where Harry will get his games,as well as the other cup games.

In those games he'll have to rapidly show he is even ready for our bench. Before he can even think about getting past Davies and Chester, he'll need to get past Paul Mcshane, Alex Bruce and possibly, Brede Hangeland. Harry has a lot to prove.

Anyway, if he's anything like as good as Stephen Quinn, we'll be more than happy.
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Welcome stan,what day did you start to read through this thread,because there is no way youv'e done it in the day, if you have read this thread in a day your as good if not better reader of things than Harry is on the pitch and thats quite good.He's a threat in the air,a good presence,but he does have a lack of pace and quite a bit of it too,thats about it really apart from Bruce is an absolute twat.Goodbye.
 

Not a hope in hell of him playing for England, he has no pace. People say Bobby Moore and Jack Charlton had no pace and they won the World Cup for us, but the game is very different now. Pace is king up front and I think young Harry will struggle in the top flight with quick thinking as well as quick footed players.

However, He reads the game well and he's good in the air.
He can bring the ball out of defence sometimes deep into the opponents half and has decent control over it, he can then pass it off to a more creative player which doesn't faze him like some Centre Halves who get nosebleeds when they get 35 yards up the pitch.

He's also very likely to bang a header in from a set piece. Scored seven for us last season (I think) which is pretty good for a Centre Half.

Just after we made it 4-3 in the dying seconds at Wembley he carried the ball all the way to the edge of Hulls penalty area but he wouldn't shoot in spite of being screamed at to have a pop, he looked for a pass and the chance was gone, if he'd smashed one into the top corner and made it 4-4 he'd have been an automatic 10 million pound player.
Mind you if he'd done that about 34,000 Sheffield United fans would have been arrested for invading the pitch, moat, dug out, players tunnel and TV broadcasting room, so maybe just as well he didn't all things considered.
 
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