Outgoing? Hamer

[brownblade]

If we don’t go up I’d cash in if we could get £25m.

I'd be inclined to do the same, if CW is still manager. Doesn't seem to know how to fit him in a cohesive team.

Not meaning to criticise, but, that's the way it seems.

 

[jt64]

Someone is going to have to remind me why anyone would be in for him? The teams that are going up are not run badly enough to think "sort by whoscored Championship ratings, then buy them" is in any way a sensible, efficient recruitment policy. No established PL team would be interested. Nobody who remains in the Championship would be able to match us on wages, it makes zero sense for anyone overseas unless there is a random Eredivisie team like a Twente, Alkmaar etc who can offer European football and wants a stop gap to push into CL qualifiers. He also turns 28 this summer and is not young.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Someone is going to have to remind me why anyone would be in for him? The teams that are going up are not run badly enough to think "sort by whoscored Championship ratings, then buy them" is in any way a sensible, efficient recruitment policy. No established PL team would be interested. Nobody who remains in the Championship would be able to match us on wages, it makes zero sense for anyone overseas unless there is a random Eredivisie team like a Twente, Alkmaar etc who can offer European football and wants a stop gap to push into CL qualifiers. He also turns 28 this summer and is not young.

Let's hope the Prince can sell him to one of his pals he's be fine there.

The amount of times he goes down with a minor muscle injury or tiredness is absolutely tied into his fitness and if we go up or don't if we can get good value I would sell for that alone.

 

[Houso]

Someone is going to have to remind me why anyone would be in for him? The teams that are going up are not run badly enough to think "sort by whoscored Championship ratings, then buy them" is in any way a sensible, efficient recruitment policy. No established PL team would be interested. Nobody who remains in the Championship would be able to match us on wages, it makes zero sense for anyone overseas unless there is a random Eredivisie team like a Twente, Alkmaar etc who can offer European football and wants a stop gap to push into CL qualifiers. He also turns 28 this summer and is not young.

I don't actually think he'll be that big a miss for us. But I accept I'm in the minority there. He's not taken all that many games by the scruff of the neck when we've been poor.

All that said, he performed very well in the prem in one of the worst Premier League sides ever and had great stats that year, so he'd still command a hefty fee.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Let's hope the Prince can sell him to one of his pals he's be fine there.

The amount of times he goes down with a minor muscle injury or tiredness is absolutely tied into his fitness and if we go up or don't if we can get good value I would sell for that alone.

And the stupid bookings

It all points to him being half arsed and unprofessional

Any possible suitors who'd be willing to give us our money back haven't done their due diligence

He might not ever get a better contract than the one he's on now so I hope all the pizzas and kebabs were worth it

 

[john Mathison]

All my Leeds friends say they would like him.

 

[Slug]

Seen as though Wilder is clearly not going to drop Robinson, we should go back to the 3-5-2 with Hamer in the Duffy role, relinquished of any defensive duties and that should also get the best of Burrows and Femi as wing backs.

Unfortunately Wilders ego is too big to go back to the 3-5-2 as the main thing for him seems to be to prove that he has more than one formation.

 

[Younger Dryas Blade]

He's an 8 isn't he. Wilder plays him as an 11 that cuts inside. Wilder says Gus doesn't want to play as an 8 or 10. Who's the boss? Is he being truthful?

He's actually the best 8 in the division, better than Brownhill and the rest of them.

He's wasted BBD and Gus in this stupid, stubborn formation that diminishes their strengths.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

He's an 8 isn't he. Wilder plays him as an 11 that cuts inside. Wilder says Gus doesn't want to play as an 8 or 10. Who's the boss? Is he being truthful?

He's actually the best 8 in the division, better than Brownhill and the rest of them.

He's wasted BBD and Gus in this stupid, stubborn formation that diminishes their strengths.

..... and Rak-Sakyi and O'Hare to that effect. None of the advanced 3 midfielders have particularly shone in this formation which makes you think, wrong players or right players being used wrong?

 

[Blacksea]

Put himself in the shop window again last night,added a couple of mill to his fee.

 

[Balham]

He's wasted BBD and Gus in this stupid, stubborn formation that diminishes their strengths.

Those two adjectives sum up Wilder’s tactical approach. It’s baffling.

You’re also spot on about Hamer. FM24 has him as a DM/MC. He was Coventry’s best player as a box-to-box midfielder but he was allowed to break the lines and be unpredictable. No chance of that in this inflexible 4-2-3-1.

 

[SwissBlade]

Those two adjectives sum up Wilder’s tactical approach. It’s baffling.

You’re also spot on about Hamer. FM24 has him as a DM/MC. He was Coventry’s best player as a box-to-box midfielder but he was allowed to break the lines and be unpredictable. No chance of that in this inflexible 4-2-3-1.

Two issues with Hamer that perhaps FM24 doesn't simulate...

He has spells where he can't get through 60 mins without cramping up or becoming fatigued, not saying he can't be a box to box midfielder and i've no clue what "break the lines" means (just like i don't know what an 8 or an 11 is), but theres perhaps a reason he's played (effectively) in that free role from the left, because he probably struggles to do the running.

The other issue is that Hamer is our Paul Scholes. He simply can't tackle without giving a foul and often a booking away. He's had 12 bookings this season.

 

[Balham]

Two issues with Hamer that perhaps FM24 doesn't simulate...

He has spells where he can't get through 60 mins without cramping up or becoming fatigued, not saying he can't be a box to box midfielder and i've no clue what "break the lines" means (just like i don't know what an 8 or an 11 is), but theres perhaps a reason he's played (effectively) in that free role from the left, because he probably struggles to do the running.

The other issue is that Hamer is our Paul Scholes. He simply can't tackle without giving a foul and often a booking away. He's had 12 bookings this season.

He managed it at Coventry; without better knowledge I've used Transfermarkt for his league appearances:

2020/21: 2,998 mins over 42 apps (71 mins/app): 38 games as DM, 4 as CM. 8 yellows, 1 red
2021/22: 3,112 mins over 39 apps (80 mins/app): 33 games as DM, 5 as CM, 1 sub. 14 yellows!
2022/23: 3,478 mins over 42 apps (83 mins/app): 25 games as DM, 14 as CM, 2 sub. 6 yellows, 2 reds (1 x 2Y)

I think there's a fundamental issue with our strength and conditioning. Look at Jayden Bogle who's played 42/44 games for Dirty Leeds this season after struggling to be consistently available over 4 seasons for us.

Football terminology lesson for you Swizzler:
"break the lines": make a run up the pitch past your opponent to disrupt the opposition defence. Essentially the whole purpose of the overlapping centre halves.
6: more defensive central midfielder (think Vini Souza or Hamza Choudhury). Mainly tasked with breaking up opposition play or starting attacks from deep
8: more attacking central midfielder (think Oli Arblaster). Tasked with starting the moves from within the opposition half
7/11: right/left wingers

 

[SwissBlade]

He managed it at Coventry; without better knowledge I've used Transfermarkt for his league appearances:

2020/21: 2,998 mins over 42 apps (71 mins/app): 38 games as DM, 4 as CM. 8 yellows, 1 red
2021/22: 3,112 mins over 39 apps (80 mins/app): 33 games as DM, 5 as CM, 1 sub. 14 yellows!
2022/23: 3,478 mins over 42 apps (83 mins/app): 25 games as DM, 14 as CM, 2 sub. 6 yellows, 2 reds (1 x 2Y)

I think there's a fundamental issue with our strength and conditioning. Look at Jayden Bogle who's played 42/44 games for Dirty Leeds this season after struggling to be consistently available over 4 seasons for us.

Football terminology lesson for you Swizzler:
"break the lines": make a run up the pitch past your opponent to disrupt the opposition defence. Essentially the whole purpose of the overlapping centre halves.
6: more defensive central midfielder (think Vini Souza or Hamza Choudhury). Mainly tasked with breaking up opposition play or starting attacks from deep
8: more attacking central midfielder (think Oli Arblaster). Tasked with starting the moves from within the opposition half
7/11: right/left wingers

We certainly do have conditioning issues at the club. Hamer, Campbell and Souza are all too bulky for the game we require them to play. Brewster has also had problems in this respect. I’d wonder if they’re conditioned more for deadlifts and squats than ‘90 mins of football.

It’s not all about FM and stats though, that’s the point. In fairness to Coventry they perhaps didn’t demand the same as we have from our players, hence them sacking their previous manager that rarely troubled the top 6 let alone the top 2

All that said, Hamer has certainly put the graft in this season and it’s also reflected in his goals and assists stats, which also prove he’s very effective in the role he’s played.

Cheers for the pundit terminology. If I practice these I’ll be speaking prime Rio Ferdinand in no time…

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

He's been a bright spot for us, but don't think he's done enough for a Prem team to think signing him would be a good use of £17m.

 

[Balham]

He's been a bright spot for us, but don't think he's done enough for a Prem team to think signing him would be a good use of £17m.

I'd be astounded if Leeds aren't back in for him in the summer irrespective of which division we're in. Given we got top value for Bogle (£8m) I'd hope we could get £20m from them for Hamer.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

I'd be astounded if Leeds aren't back in for him in the summer irrespective of which division we're in. Given we got top value for Bogle (£8m) I'd hope we could get £20m from them for Hamer.

Nice, we could get 2 Tom Cannon's with that.

 

[itsinyerblood]

The views expressed about Hamer appear disconnected with what happens when Gus is involved.
Our goal yesterday came about due to Hamer's drive from midfield deep into Burnley's half releasing
Cannon to score his first goal for the club. A fair percentage of any other chances we saw came because of Hamer's
involvement.

I'm not blind to Hamer's shortcomings, but his quality, guile, eye for a pass, make him a shoo-in for this team.
I'm not sure who those who think it would be a good move to sell our most creative player imagine we could
get for a fee for under £30-40mil? There's much to think about for owners and management, change is a necessity,
to freshen up a squad lacking, in my view, in both defence and attack. and the underlying resolve of our owners and
what they're prepared to invest in the Blades, for without significant investment I doubt we'll progress in the way
we'd all hope for.

 

[andy m]

The views expressed about Hamer appear disconnected with what happens when Gus is involved.
Our goal yesterday came about due to Hamer's drive from midfield deep into Burnley's half releasing
Cannon to score his first goal for the club. A fair percentage of any other chances we saw came because of Hamer's
involvement.

I'm not blind to Hamer's shortcomings, but his quality, guile, eye for a pass, make him a shoo-in for this team.
I'm not sure who those who think it would be a good move to sell our most creative player imagine we could
get for a fee for under £30-40mil? There's much to think about for owners and management, change is a necessity,
to freshen up a squad lacking, in my view, in both defence and attack. and the underlying resolve of our owners and
what they're prepared to invest in the Blades, for without significant investment I doubt we'll progress in the way
we'd all hope for.

The problem for me is we rely on Gus to create something rather than attacking as a team, much like Leeds last year. They have improved for selling the star players.

 

[itsinyerblood]

The problem for me is we rely on Gus to create something rather than attacking as a team, much like Leeds last year. They have improved for selling the star players.

There are two separate questions in your post. Yes, we look to Hamer to use the ball to best effect, but even when Hamer has the ball there's
often a disconnect between his ability to provide a telling pass and the inability of his team mates to make the relevant runs that Gus could exploit. Also, what cannot be forgotten is the absence of young Arblaster, who would have expanded our creativity massively, so talking
about this in a vacuum, as if Harmer alone is responsible for 100% of our creative play is naive.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

The views expressed about Hamer appear disconnected with what happens when Gus is involved.
Our goal yesterday came about due to Hamer's drive from midfield deep into Burnley's half releasing
Cannon to score his first goal for the club. A fair percentage of any other chances we saw came because of Hamer's
involvement.

I'm not blind to Hamer's shortcomings, but his quality, guile, eye for a pass, make him a shoo-in for this team.
I'm not sure who those who think it would be a good move to sell our most creative player imagine we could
get for a fee for under £30-40mil? There's much to think about for owners and management, change is a necessity,
to freshen up a squad lacking, in my view, in both defence and attack. and the underlying resolve of our owners and
what they're prepared to invest in the Blades, for without significant investment I doubt we'll progress in the way
we'd all hope for.

Yeah he's by no means crap but I would be delighted if we get even half that 40 million figure. There's no reason why smart recruitment can't find better athletes