Grounds operating at third of capacity next season

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Berkshire Blade said:
Which is what new Zealand did. They got in early stamped it out and have near normal lives now with mass gatherings and no social distancing without any vaccine ready. Sounds good to me.
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You cant compare the two its utter bollocks to even try
Crowd control in a quarter to a third full New York Stadium is very different to crowd control in a 78,000 full Old Trafford
 
ATL Recs said:
You cant compare the two its utter bollocks to even try
Crowd control in a quarter to a third full New York Stadium is very different to crowd control in a 78,000 full Old Trafford
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You can. It will take us longer to get there as it's within us far wider than it was in nz but it's possible. If we locked down when the premier league locked down we would be so much closer to being able to do that.
 
S12 Blade said:
I wouldn't say they're being ignored but our attention is now more towards isolating the spread of the virus rather than coping with the overwhelming number of deaths which saw early on. We now know more about the virus than we did when we were seeing numbers of 500/600+ dying on a daily basis and can treat patients better due to this.

I long for the day we have 0 deaths, we'll get there eventually but can't come soon enough.
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Its unrealistic to hope for 0 deaths. Surely the vulnerable will always be at risk from any virus.
Influenza has been in this country years but we still have 10,000 to 20,000 deaths caused by flu each year.
No where near the numbers of Corona virus but still significant. Why has there been no outcry about flu? Don’t mean to sound unfeeling but our culture always seems to fear death but as long as you’ve lived a life then it should be a celebration of their life and time for reflection.

For me that‘s the issue I think Corona virus could be around for 10 years + ....hence my predication that it could m years before we see 30K at BL again.
So what do we do about that? How do we live moving forward and cope?
My concern is that the real underlying damage and mortality levels will be caused more by the lock down (even if it’s partial) NOT the actual virus.
To be honest no one knows for sure...no one knows the future...my problem is that the “experts” keep changing their minds and have different opinions.
The government seem to be making it up as they go along....so it’s easy to lose confidence in these so called “experts“.

I really can’t see there being anything over 20,000 allowed at our ground for the next 2 or 3 seasons....hope I’m wrong.
 
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Sheffsteel said:
Its unrealistic to hope for 0 deaths. Surely the vulnerable will always be at risk from any virus.
Influenza has been in this country years but we still have 10,000 to 20,000 deaths caused by flu each year.
No where near the numbers of Corona virus but still significant. Why has there been no outcry about flu? Don’t mean to sound unfeeling but our culture always seems to fear death but as long as you’ve lived a life then it should be a celebration of their life and time for reflection.

For me that‘s the issue I think Corona virus could be around for 10 years + ....hence my predication that it could m years before we see 30K at BL again.
So what do we do about that? How do we live moving forward and cope?
My concern is that the real underlying damage and mortality levels will be caused more by the lock down (even if it’s partial) NOT the actual virus.
To be honest no one knows for sure...no one knows the future...my problem is that the “experts” keep changing their minds and have different opinions.
The government seem to be making it up as they go along....so it’s easy to lose confidence in these so called “experts“.

I really can’t see there being anything over 20,000 allowed at our ground for the next 2 or 3 seasons....hope I’m wrong.
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The experts are supposed to change their minds, that's how science works. You get more data and draw new, more accurate conclusions.

The government picks and chooses when to listen which is the problem, and the public has for some reason been taught to distrust people that are actually doing what they're supposed to, ie, scientists.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying though but just had to pick up on that point.
 
Berkshire Blade said:
Which is what new Zealand did. They got in early stamped it out and have near normal lives now with mass gatherings and no social distancing without any vaccine ready. Sounds good to me.
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Until they realise they need tourism to make money, open the borders and revert to square one
 
To be honest no one knows for sure...no one knows the future...my problem is that the “experts” keep changing their minds and have different opinions.
The government seem to be making it up as they go along....so it’s easy to lose confidence in these so called “experts“.
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I agree but I'll still take my chances with trusting the scientific experts than some of the experts on here ta.
 
raimond said:
I agree but I'll still take my chances with trusting the scientific experts than some of the experts on here ta.
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Well it's a case of which "experts" you read really, if you read widely enough with a proper bit of analysis you'll come to the conclusion that Covid is no longer a threat to the country, the trouble is that the people actually making decisions are stuck on worst case scenario projections from six months ago which are all easily discredited
 
In order to bury or cremate someone, you have to Register their death & get a death certificate. Every week, copies of those certificates are sent in. And counted. It's one of the longest running & simplest official statistics in the country. It doesn't need a Covid-19 test. It doesn't need someone's agenda opinion. It just needs no pulse. It doesn't matter if they've been 2m away from someone. It doesn't matter if they've worn a mask. It measures Death By Dying. This Bring Out Your Dead Data is published every Tuesday. In the calendar year to date, in England & Wales, 371,120 Corpses were Counted. That is 52,987 above the average Coffin Count for recent years. 50k more deaths this year than we'd expect. (There is good news, the number of weekly deaths has been below average for the sixth consecutive week). None of that needs someone hit by a bus recorded as a Covid death. None of that is remotely related to being able to fly to Mexico.
 
jt64 said:
Well it's a case of which "experts" you read really, if you read widely enough with a proper bit of analysis you'll come to the conclusion that Covid is no longer a threat to the country, the trouble is that the people actually making decisions are stuck on worst case scenario projections from six months ago which are all easily discredited
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Put it this way. Experts in actual charge of almost every country on earth broadly agree. Those getting paid to give opinions are playing to what some people want to hear.
 

Superblades said:
I think the club will give all current season ticket holders a chance to renew and then you go on a rota basis. That way the club gets everyone’s money again and fans don’t miss out. If they limit it to just loyalty points, they would only be the allowed to sell the reduced capacity. Whereas 25000 season ticket holders on a rota basis will equal more money for the club.
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Agree Superblade! Can have a rota system in place ,with the computer controlled system cancelling the ones who arnt allowed in that match.
The following season season ticket prices can be adjusted to take in the matches lost when not your turn to go in.
Might seem hard work to put in such a method but at least it would be fair to all season ticket holders.Some seats could be held back to be bought for individuel matches as Covin has put a lot of people out of work and maybe couldnt afford a season ticket.What ever system used would not satysfy everyone
 
jt64 said:
Well it's a case of which "experts" you read really, if you read widely enough with a proper bit of analysis you'll come to the conclusion that Covid is no longer a threat to the country, the trouble is that the people actually making decisions are stuck on worst case scenario projections from six months ago which are all easily discredited
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You're right mate I'm a right mug, I should read more. I believe the world's spherical and in the moon landings and everything, in fact I even wear a mask in the supermarket, what a twat eh?!
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
In order to bury or cremate someone, you have to Register their death & get a death certificate. Every week, copies of those certificates are sent in. And counted. It's one of the longest running & simplest official statistics in the country. It doesn't need a Covid-19 test. It doesn't need someone's agenda opinion. It just needs no pulse. It doesn't matter if they've been 2m away from someone. It doesn't matter if they've worn a mask. It measures Death By Dying. This Bring Out Your Dead Data is published every Tuesday. In the calendar year to date, in England & Wales, 371,120 Corpses were Counted. That is 52,987 above the average Coffin Count for recent years. 50k more deaths this year than we'd expect. (There is good news, the number of weekly deaths has been below average for the sixth consecutive week). None of that needs someone hit by a bus recorded as a Covid death. None of that is remotely related to being able to fly to Mexico.
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My opinion, for what it’s worth, has always been that we should judge this whole pandemic on how many total deaths there are at the end of this year.

As you say the last 6 weeks have seen the weekly total deaths to be lower than the 5 year average. If this trend continues, the additional deaths above average might not be as significant of an increase as they currently are.
 
Berkshire Blade said:
You can. It will take us longer to get there as it's within us far wider than it was in nz but it's possible. If we locked down when the premier league locked down we would be so much closer to being able to do that.
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We couldn’t lock down then the NHS and health system wasn’t prepared now I we had 5 million people not 60 million then that’s different and don’t use S Korea their culture is very very different
 
Its a good job that unlike some other teams not too far away, income wise we don't have to rely on attendances lol
 
Instead of wondering how many supporters will be allowed in the grounds my suggestion would be open the turnstiles and let anyone into the ground who just wants to come and support the blades and them who still feels worried about coming stay at home till they feel ready to come back
 
Grumps said:
Instead of wondering how many supporters will be allowed in the grounds my suggestion would be open the turnstiles and let anyone into the ground who just wants to come and support the blades and them who still feels worried about coming stay at home till they feel ready to come back
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I don't think they would be stupid enough to do that.
 
Grumps said:
Instead of wondering how many supporters will be allowed in the grounds my suggestion would be open the turnstiles and let anyone into the ground who just wants to come and support the blades and them who still feels worried about coming stay at home till they feel ready to come back
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Nice idea but you don't seriously think that football fans are that responsible do you?

I mean the ones who do turn up will definitely not be carrying this asympomatic disease, will they?
 
BornOnShorehamStreet said:
Nice idea but you don't seriously think that football fans are that responsible do you?

I mean the ones who do turn up will definitely not be carrying this asympomatic disease, will they?
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But if everyone was wearing a mask inside the ground wouldnt that cut down the risk and possibly allow more fans back in to the stadiums.
 
BangorBlade said:
But if everyone was wearing a mask inside the ground wouldnt that cut down the risk and possibly allow more fans back in to the stadiums.
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It would but I've seen posters on here saying they're not wearing masks/not quarantining after coming back from holiday in a quarantine listed country etc and I assume they were sober while posting on here, so can you really imagine impeccable mask etiquette after a few pints?
 
Premier League football has just concluded a season without fans. UEFA are in the process of completing their competitions without fans. Although the fixture list has yet to be announced, PL 2020/21 will start in mid September. Initially without fans. Elite football has proved there is no financial or economic reasons to have fans in the ground. Be the Government. You've got kids who can't go to school. You've got hospitality & entertainment businesses on their arses without customers. You've got a tourism industry that can't function. You need to dial some things up. For the sake of businesses & the economy. And, you might have to dial some things down to make it all happen. Elite football clubs are surviving without fans in the ground. Be the Government. Why would you dial up Elite Football, and try to let fans in, risking a Covid upsurge, when there is no economic pressure to do that? You'd concentrate on other, non football, priorities first. Elite professional football would be the LAST thing on your list of things that needs to open.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Premier League football has just concluded a season without fans. UEFA are in the process of completing their competitions without fans. Although the fixture list has yet to be announced, PL 2020/21 will start in mid September. Initially without fans. Elite football has proved there is no financial or economic reasons to have fans in the ground. Be the Government. You've got kids who can't go to school. You've got hospitality & entertainment businesses on their arses without customers. You've got a tourism industry that can't function. You need to dial some things up. For the sake of businesses & the economy. And, you might have to dial some things down to make it all happen. Elite football clubs are surviving without fans in the ground. Be the Government. Why would you dial up Elite Football, and try to let fans in, risking a Covid upsurge, when there is no economic pressure to do that? You'd concentrate on other, non football, priorities first. Elite professional football would be the LAST thing on your list of things that needs to open.
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I can see a strong case for letting fans in non league at a certain amount just to keep those clubs going. Will result in those grounds being swamped if not limited. My local pub level side are playing pre season games and are getting ground hoppers turning up. It's just a pitch on a recreation ground with two goals and lines drawn in the grass! 33 people came out to watch it!
 
Berkshire Blade said:
I can see a strong case for letting fans in non league at a certain amount just to keep those clubs going. Will result in those grounds being swamped if not limited. My local pub level side are playing pre season games and are getting ground hoppers turning up. It's just a pitch on a recreation ground with two goals and lines drawn in the grass! 33 people came out to watch it!
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The economic pressure on L1, L2, NLS & grassroots clubs is much larger. They rely on gate money & bar money to survive. In a common sense World, they would be much higher up the priority list for opening than Elite Clubs. There have been a few shenanigans. Step 6 Clubs hosting Step 7 Clubs in pre season, but calling it a home game for the Step 7 Club so fans can attend. (FA have closed that loophole). I've been attending ECB Premier League Cricket quite happily for a few weeks. I agree, strong case for letting fans into non-league.
 

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