Give the man a chance

[Grecian2000]

You can tell it's Olympics time as we've managed a new PB (maybe even a WR) on the call for Warnock to return. 3 games! Eat your heart out Kenny/Trott.

 

[Blade56]

You can tell it's Olympics time as we've managed a new PB (maybe even a WR) on the call for Warnock to return. 3 games! Eat your heart out Kenny/Trott.

Occams Razor

Eat that one Highbury_Blade

 

[Treeton Blade]

His reaction, to blame two 'offside goals' that weren't actually offside, was quite embarrassing.

I'm not calling for his head but I've lost most of the faith I had in him. The style of football being the main reason, it's dreadful.

Second was well offside, third you can`t tell

 

[Blade of Destiny]

I'm trying to not let my heart rule my head. I could start getting all emotional, as we have had enough rubbish over the last few years, but I said to a friend of mine at the beginning of the season, 'I hope the fans don't start getting on Chris Wilder's back if we don't start the season well'. We have indeed, not started the season well, but now is not the time for disunity and overt criticism. Part of the problem, is that we don't create any hope or belief at the Lane anymore. Let us, the fans, start believing again and perhaps the players will start believing too. Doing anything well in life is 90% having confidence and belief.
I like the word encourage, we need to en-courage our players, inspire them to courage and belief and let us see what a difference that makes.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

I'm trying to not let my heart rule my head. I could start getting all emotional, as we have had enough rubbish over the last few years, but I said to a friend of mine at the beginning of the season, 'I hope the fans don't start getting on Chris Wilder's back if we don't start the season well'. We have indeed, not started the season well, but now is not the time for disunity and overt criticism. Part of the problem, is that we don't create any hope or belief at the Lane anymore. Let us, the fans, start believing again and perhaps the players will start believing too. Doing anything well in life is 90% having confidence and belief.
I like the word encourage, we need to en-courage our players, inspire them to courage and belief and let us see what a difference that makes.

It was said by someone elsewhere, but that's what we did last night, second half when there was a sniff of something good happening on the pitch, the crowd got behind the team. To no-fucking-avail. I'm not going to overly criticise the team, I'm not going to applaud shite either.

 

[sitwell]

Warnock not been mentioned then ?

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

he just stands there

Robsonesque.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

I'm trying to not let my heart rule my head. I could start getting all emotional, as we have had enough rubbish over the last few years, but I said to a friend of mine at the beginning of the season, 'I hope the fans don't start getting on Chris Wilder's back if we don't start the season well'. We have indeed, not started the season well, but now is not the time for disunity and overt criticism. Part of the problem, is that we don't create any hope or belief at the Lane anymore. Let us, the fans, start believing again and perhaps the players will start believing too. Doing anything well in life is 90% having confidence and belief.
I like the word encourage, we need to en-courage our players, inspire them to courage and belief and let us see what a difference that makes.

Correct me if I`m wrong but I thought all that was part of a managers job description.
And getting paid shed loads more than the loyal,long suffering lumpen proletariat that pay to watch.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

And fucking man up. 3 games for pity's sake.

Agree with you in a way - it's early doors. Shockingly disappointing so far, but Wilder's baby's just a foetus still.

Even so, it's Chris Wilder who's the one who needs to man up, and pretty quickly. Ditching your preferred 4-2-3-1 because you've now got two "undroppable" forwards is a joke. So is not having recruited a proper spine to the side three games into the season and whining about "how difficult" it is to get players in.

 

[Blade of Destiny]

It was said by someone elsewhere, but that's what we did last night, second half when there was a sniff of something good happening on the pitch, the crowd got behind the team. To no-fucking-avail. I'm not going to overly criticise the team, I'm not going to applaud shite either.

Fair enough, I wouldn't expected applause for poor play. But in forums like this, when fellow fans are reading posts as such and such is shit, he is useless, etc. it creates an atmosphere, a belief system to come into play. And that has wider affects than a few fans discussing the game. Of course, let us be real, critical when needed, but let us season our thoughts with wisdom.

 

[Grecian2000]

Part of the problem, is that we don't create any hope or belief at the Lane anymore. Let us, the fans, start believing again and perhaps the players will start believing too.

All very well but generally misguided. The fans won't believe in what's happening until something happens to actually believe in.

We were talking in the pub last night about the last time we enjoyed going to the Lane and we came up with Jan 2014 when we played Spurs and Swindon in a four day spell and the place was rocking, basically, because we were playing and entertaining and we believed in what we were seeing.
Giving Spurs a scare (whatever happened to that bloke who scored a couple) and then comprehensively beating a team who'd just won 8 or 9 of their last ten games and were supposed to be coming to thrash us (whatever happened to that bloke who scored a couple). Those occasions are only a couple of seasons back, it's the same set of supporters essentially, but those occasions won't be repeated by half arsed attempts at hoof that the players can't/won't play.

 

[Blade of Destiny]

Correct me if I`m wrong but I thought all that was part of a managers job description.
And getting paid shed loads more than the loyal,long suffering lumpen proletariat that pay to watch.

Many years ago I used to watch my son play football. The manger of his team was a great encourager and a good manager. However good he was it was, it was the idiotic dads shouting on the sides that always demoralised a potentially good team. I hope you can see the connection.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Many years ago I used to watch my son play football. The manger of his team was a great encourager and a good manager. However good he was it was, it was the idiotic dads shouting on the sides that always demoralised a potentially good team. I hope you can see the connection.

I see that ideology and reality seldom make a connection in the real world.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

Fair enough, I wouldn't expected applause for poor play. But in forums like this, when fellow fans are reading posts as such and such is shit, he is useless, etc. it creates an atmosphere, a belief system to come into play. And that has wider affects than a few fans discussing the game. Of course, let us be real, critical when needed, but let us season our thoughts with wisdom.

I don't understand.. Posters on here criticising players for abject performances will have wider effects?? It's not junior football, these players are paid and by you and I to deliver a standard of service. I understand that abusing them pitchside may be counter-productive, but if they brave/stupid enough to come on this forum and then be all upset being called shit??

I don't like it when a player gets called names for being a poor player, but having that poor play scrutinised? Well that's been done for as long as there have been fans going to watch the game. If there is an atmosphere about the Club, it's not as a consequence of this or any other forum.

Anyway, three wins on the trot and it will be transformed, the players will get the plaudits... because they delivered, not the forums.

 

[Fraggle Blade]

Can't like this enough Rev.

Put on another thread, 4 matches in and I'm still not convinced he's aware we don't have the players for 442.

Losing faith with CW big time, problem is I can only see sacking him making things worse.

Happy times

Was that really 442?.....still looked like 4231 to me with Sharp trying to play deeper than Clarke in the 3.......why he was hardly ever there for the flick ons.
I think they would look more solid and play better if we did play a standard 442.

 

[sitwell]

Unfortunately sitwell you are not seeing what we are. As LS26BLADE said people who have sat together for years and shared banter were screaming at each other in the stands, others walked out, very little booing just one ripple at the end of each half as the realisation set in we are a toxic club for whatever reason and it's hurting.

Can't say I've heard anyone have a a go at wilder so it's a bit out of order posting a rebuke for something the fans have not done! As for Wilder he does appear clueless on the sideline. He made a big thing about keeping Long and played hardball with his contract, problem is his initial decision to make Long No1 is open to inspection. Similarly his apparent faith in Scoogle when we see him being pushed out of the way on or off the ball.

As for negotiations to apparently employ every pig veteran it questions if his hard stance on contracts and wages are realistic or is he out of touch with how far the money tree has infected the lower divisions? One thing is for sure those he has brought in (maybe Clarke apart) his vision of building a fast attacking side is in tatters. He's replaced dross lookin for a payday with unknown dross.

In summary McCabe has acted to resolve the problems he created with appointments and funding by employing a Warnockesk charecter who unfortunately appears to be running the team part of the club like a passionate fan. He's blaming everything including the officials who were not at fault more than any others, but credit where it's due he has taken responsibility for players he's brought in not performing. As for his decision to make Billy Captain it appears to have backfired big time by negating him as an attacking force. Last night he was back in the trenches defending deep on several occasions when he should have been upfront.

So please with all due respect to a seasoned well respected poster when we are all hurting don't tell us to "man up for pity's sake" it doesn't change anything especially when we managed 1 shot on target in two home defeats. We used to call it fortress BDTBL and wouldn't expect to lose more than 2 all season not our first 2 to village teams.

As always sitters

Same question to you ,if no one is asking for Wilders head what do all these posters think Warnock is going to do ,make the tea ?

 

[HoodedClaw]

Was that really 442?.....still looked like 4231 to me with Sharp trying to play deeper than Clarke in the 3.......why he was hardly ever there for the flick ons.
I think they would look more solid and play better if we did play a standard 442.

Maybe that's the problem then Frag, they have no idea what formation they're supposed to be playing

 

[metalblade]

What we should all do is man the fook up and clap clap clap the team into division four/league two then we will have the right manager for the job in Wilder.
Nothing at all to suggest he is any good at this level so far, let's be right he is just another in the line of managers who will become the scapegoat for McCabe. We try those that like the passing game then when it dont work we get in a ex Blade who tries hoofball and the cycle continues.
One or two on here need to open their eyes and see where the real problem is at SUFC, after all their is only one constant through our years of decline and that is the owners.

 

[Blade of Destiny]

I don't understand.. Posters on here criticising players for abject performances will have wider effects?? It's not junior football, these players are paid and by you and I to deliver a standard of service. I understand that abusing them pitchside may be counter-productive, but if they brave/stupid enough to come on this forum and then be all upset being called shit??

I don't like it when a player gets called names for being a poor player, but having that poor play scrutinised? Well that's been done for as long as there have been fans going to watch the game. If there is an atmosphere about the Club, it's not as a consequence of this or any other forum.

Anyway, three wins on the trot and it will be transformed, the players will get the plaudits... because they delivered, not the forums.

For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.

If you don't understand I can't explain it to you.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.

If you don't understand I can't explain it to you.

I got it, it's the fans fault.

 

[Blade of Destiny]

I got it, it's the fans fault.

Hillmorton.......I'm not saying it is the fans fault, And you are right, the fans have a right to scrutinise poor play and discuss. The only point I am trying to make is that fans have a part to play in creating team confidence. Keep believing my friend.

 

[sitwell]

What we should all do is man the fook up and clap clap clap the team into division four/league two then we will have the right manager for the job in Wilder.
Nothing at all to suggest he is any good at this level so far, let's be right he is just another in the line of managers who will become the scapegoat for McCabe. We try those that like the passing game then when it dont work we get in a ex Blade who tries hoofball and the cycle continues.
One or two on here need to open their eyes and see where the real problem is at SUFC, after all their is only one constant through our years of decline and that is the owners.

Another constant is you slagging off every manager at every given opportunity ,when does this boycott start ?

 

[Fiery Blade]

Are you a journalist? Just wondered with you only part quoting him.

He said the lead up to the goals were our mistakes and no excuse BUT they were offside (which they were) an the linesman should be seeing that.

So, if the score is still 1-0 after 15 minutes, we would still have a chance.

The officials were poor throughout last night. No surprise though, had that for 5 years now

Play third division football and you get third division officials - Simple
However bad the officials were last night they were no where near how bad Sheffield United FC were - their 'performance' was appalling !!!

 

[metalblade]

Another constant is you slagging off every manager at every given opportunity ,when does this boycott start ?

Not as constant as you roering man up to everyone every time it goes wrong. Tough talk isnt working.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

Hillmorton.......I'm not saying it is the fans fault, And you are right, the fans have a right to scrutinise poor play and discuss. The only point I am trying to make is that fans have a part to play in creating team confidence. Keep believing my friend.

What do I need to do to play my part? Sign me up

I need to separate my emotion from my reaction. I am angry at the lack of application from the players. I am disappointed that for all the managers talk, the tactics have been rubbish. I am frustrated that we should have to accept that the way out is to buy more players, when it patently has not worked yet.

But as you and sitwell suggest, and I did for most of last season, we need to give the manager time. I guess that's the real source of my pist-off-ness, allowing myself to get optimistic again. I am on holiday from Friday and will be away for two weekends, perhaps when I get back Captain Wilder will have turned the ship around (or at least swerved a couple of icebergs).

 

[sheffielder]

Hillmorton.......I'm not saying it is the fans fault, And you are right, the fans have a right to scrutinise poor play and discuss. The only point I am trying to make is that fans have a part to play in creating team confidence. Keep believing my friend.

But Wilder says it's the responsibility of the players to get us going? Did they outvote him?

 

[sitwell]

Not as constant as you roering man up to everyone every time it goes wrong. Tough talk isnt working.

So what do you suggest ? I didn't want Wilson sacking and I certainly didn't want Clough sacking ,but I appreciate a lot of fans did. Look where that has got us.

 

[Rodley]

So what do you suggest ? I didn't want Wilson sacking and I certainly didn't want Clough sacking ,but I appreciate a lot of fans did. Look where that has got us.

Presumably sitting in your pants moaning about it online?

 

[Blade of Destiny]

What do I need to do to play my part? Sign me up

I need to separate my emotion from my reaction. I am angry at the lack of application from the players. I am disappointed that for all the managers talk, the tactics have been rubbish. I am frustrated that we should have to accept that the way out is to buy more players, when it patently has not worked yet.

But as you and sitwell suggest, and I did for most of last season, we need to give the manager time. I guess that's the real source of my pist-off-ness, allowing myself to get optimistic again. I am on holiday from Friday and will be away for two weekends, perhaps when I get back Captain Wilder will have turned the ship around (or at least swerved a couple of icebergs).

I know how you feel. I started the season with a lot of optimism too and feel a bit betrayed. The hardest bit, as you say, is allowing yourself to feel optimistic only to have your hopes dashed. But....
We have put the ship out and have had some initial stormy seas. Clear water will come, it is hard to believe that when you are in the storm but Captain Wilder will navigate us safely through.
Enjoy your holiday.......it isn't a cruise is it?

 

[alcoblade]

So what do you suggest ? I didn't want Wilson sacking and I certainly didn't want Clough sacking ,but I appreciate a lot of fans did. Look where that has got us.

To be fair, you were quite quick to write Adkins off, so it's unclear where the line is drawn?

As for where Clough got us - I could highlight about 25 players that no other football club wants, anywhere in the pyramid. And I'd still have given him until Christmas.

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