Get Wilder gone and stop the delusion.

[GymClassHero]

How do you know that Chris Wilder was told to keep us up?

Well I doubt he was told to get us relegated

What a daft comment, what point are you trying to make lovey

 

[GymClassHero]

I didn't want Selles to be sacked until after the Ipswich game, and I didn't want Wilder back then (or the first time he came back for that matter). It is not a binary choice between Wilder and a singular option. That some people cannot think at the same time that Selles was the wrong choice and Wilder would also be the wrong choice is frankly fascinating

My stance at the time was that moving Wilder on was the correct decision, just the incorrect appointment.

Once the rot has set in however, there was only one sensible option at the time and we took it.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Alright Lee Hendrie , calm down x

Yeah, let's get Hecky back....

 

[coaxingstar71]

Yawn. Can't we get all these Wilder hate posts merged together as they're all the same?

 

[JT89]

I didn't want Selles to be sacked until after the Ipswich game, and I didn't want Wilder back then (or the first time he came back for that matter). It is not a binary choice between Wilder and a singular option. That some people cannot think at the same time that Selles was the wrong choice and Wilder would also be the wrong choice is frankly fascinating

The people who still support Wilder seem to have 2 reasons;

• He was good the first time
• Selles was shit

As you say, it’s fascinating that they don’t seem able to understand that Selles and Wilder can both be the wrong option.

Almost feel sorry for the owners because even if they do try to progress the club, a section of our fanbase won’t allow it because they will refuse to give anything/anyone who isn’t BladeyBlade a chance.

 

[JT89]

My stance at the time was that moving Wilder on was the correct decision, just the incorrect appointment.

Once the rot has set in however, there was only one sensible option at the time and we took it.

It’s such a narrow minded view that Wilder is the only manager who could have turned things around and got us out of the relegation zone with this squad.

 

[Balham]

Top scorer you say ............ his 11 goals last season says it all, a 20 goal a season striker he is not and likely never will be.

20 goals per season is rarer than you might think. We have had two players score 20+ goals in a season in our last 10 at this level. Beattie with 22 in 2007/08 and Sharp with 23 in 2018/19.

Top scorer in the division last season was Joel Piroe with 19. There have only been 5 players score 20 in the last 3 seasons: Sammy Smodzics (27) and Adam Armstrong (21) in 2022/23; Chuba Akpom (28), Viktor Gyökeres (23) and Carlton Morris (20) in 2021/22.

Only Žan Vipotnik* and Haji Wright, realistically, can make the 20 goal mark this season too, and Wright went off injured at the weekend.

*23 years old, picked up on a free by Swansea from Bordeaux. They'll turn a £15-20m profit on him this summer when one of the promoted clubs comes in for him.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Yet again we’ve had to watch an opposition manager make changes at half time and completely change the game while Wilder and co do, well, god knows what?

We need to thank him for getting us out of the relegation zone and send him on his way with the happy memories of his first spell as manager.

It’s time to move on and take time to reassure all aspects of the club and see how we can take a more modern approach and hopefully build for the future.

And can we please move on from the delusional view that we can still make the playoffs, it’s embarrassing and has been for weeks.

I’ll take a delusional Blade over an angry Blade every day of the week.

 

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

It’s such a narrow minded view that Wilder is the only manager who could have turned things around and got us out of the relegation zone with this squad.

Yeah but its still a risk isn't it? Wilder with this squad and his management skills was a safe choice in the short/medium term.

L1 was staring at us and I'm glad we acted the right way because I couldn't bare another 6 years down there.

Clement to Norwich has worked out but after failing at Rangers and no championship experience I bet not many Canaries were buzzing and confident with his appointment.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Clement to Norwich has worked out but after failing at Rangers and no championship experience I bet not many Canaries were buzzing and confident with his appointment.

Which has proved the point perfectly that not all such appointments are destined to fail. I’ve always found the notion, and I’ve seen it on here quite a few times, that any appointee must have Championship experience to be absolute nonsense. Would we really want to limit ourselves to such a relatively tiny pool out of all the managers in the world?

 

[The Crab]

As a club with no parachute payments in the championship I don't know what better options we have.

As someone who would like to see changes, I do reluctantly think you are right.

A lot of cloth trimming ahead. I honestly can’t think of anyone who would come in under those parameters and bring in radical improvement.

 

[I should coco]

It’s such a narrow minded view that Wilder is the only manager who could have turned things around and got us out of the relegation zone with this squad.

Your very tedious straw man, once again joins the fray.

Nobody, including Wilder supporters like myself, say he was the only man, but it was obviously going to be tough for anyone. History has conveniently been airbrushed by the Wilder haters, who forget what a shitshow the charlatan caused.

Carry on with your anti-CW rants, but don't make stuff up, there's a good chap.

 

[I should coco]

Which has proved the point perfectly that not all such appointments are destined to fail. I’ve always found the notion, and I’ve seen it on here quite a few times, that any appointee must have Championship experience to be absolute nonsense. Would we really want to limit ourselves to such a relatively tiny pool out of all the managers in the world?

It does prove a point and to back up your argument, Rowett, a good manager, with loads of Championship experience is struggling at Leicester.

I would caution that generally when a team really is on the floor, you can't afford a big learning curve for a new manager. Look at Ramsay at WBA for instance.

Unfortunately, there is no exact science to managerial appointments, so 'fit' and 'timing', carry more weight than a rational person would normally expect.

 

[Stanthemanfan]

Just listened to his interview after brum, Dosent sound very happy does he??

 

[The Crab]

How is it other teams can still get 90 minutes out of their players? Ours are cooked?? Peck twice it seems!!
Has to be a poor coaching and fitness set up.
We will be lucky to get to 60 points. Whilst we see Oxford and Charlton fighting for their lives, whereas we are tired out and looking as if we have given in.

I think it’s been the case under both Wilder and Hecky.

That for me, is that’s why I think it’s a wider problem than just changing manager. A deeper look is needed into our procedures regarding fitness and how we improve that.

Other clubs seem to manage it.

 

[SLB]

Just listened to his interview after brum, Dosent sound very happy does he??

Can't take any form of criticism. A bit like Trump.

 

[Blade56]

Storths Arise bid. He says first thing he needs to do is install a DoF and Technical Director. That will not happen under Wilder, if it does it will just be conflict.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Almost feel sorry for the owners because even if they do try to progress the club, a section of our fanbase won’t allow it because they will refuse to give anything/anyone who isn’t BladeyBlade a chance.

Often trotted out with absolutely zero evidence, Slav was backed by the fans far more than Adams was.

I don't think there are a set of fans in the country that complain about the manager if things are going well. (Besides a handful of mentally deficient weirdos you only see online, desperate for attention)

 

[AWetFlannel]

Storths Arise bid. He says first thing he needs to do is install a DoF and Technical Director. That will not happen under Wilder, if it does it will just be conflict.

He already works under the owners and Bettis, and surely worked with a DoF at Boro or Watford?

But even if the owners thought that was the case, why didn't they have one ready to appoint when they sacked him? They appointed Selles on their own as if they knew what they were doing. I don't think Wilder can be blamed for the lack of this structure.

 

[Blade56]

He already works under the owners and Bettis, and surely worked with a DoF at Boro or Watford?

But even if the owners thought that was the case, why didn't they have one ready to appoint when they sacked him? They appointed Selles on their own as if they knew what they were doing. I don't think Wilder can be blamed for the lack of this structure.

Don’t put words in my mouth, I didn’t blame Wilder it’s the owners that are at fault. Maybe they don’t believe in that structure but the fracture point seemed to be Wilder wanting autonomous control.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Don’t put words in my mouth, I didn’t blame Wilder it’s the owners that are at fault. Maybe they don’t believe in that structure but the fracture point seemed to be Wilder wanting autonomous control.

Didn't mean to suggest you did, apologies.

Wilder has repeatedly said he'd be fine working under a DoF. Like most I don't really believe him, or at least think he much prefers having control himself. I suppose we'll never know if that's a contributing factor to why the owners haven't implemented that structure, but given their actions in the summer it suggests not.

 

[I should coco]

Can't take any form of criticism. A bit like Trump.

A bit, but aren't we all reluctant to hear criticism, we think might be unfounded?

Maybe you're different, possibly even perfect?

 

[Tom Bott]

You’d trust Wilder with signing strikers? After Brewster and Cannon I’d never let him sign one ever again, he’s bankrupted the club with those two master signings

How many hundreds of millions has he brought into the club though?

A good accountant factors in both income and expenditure, it's been that way for thousands of years.

 

[SLB]

A bit, but aren't we all reluctant to hear criticism, we think might be unfounded?

Maybe you're different, possibly even perfect?

Far from perfect but as you say, unfounded is the key word. If somebody can't take any form of criticism they will judge it all to be unfounded.

 

[pedro]

Didn't mean to suggest you did, apologies.

Wilder has repeatedly said he'd be fine working under a DoF. Like most I don't really believe him, or at least think he much prefers having control himself. I suppose we'll never know if that's a contributing factor to why the owners haven't implemented that structure, but given their actions in the summer it suggests not.

Don't you think that Bettis in fact a defacto DOF?

 

[KMC-1889]

Don't you think that Bettis in fact a defacto DOF?

He might think he is, but he's massively underperforming if that's the case.

Wilder isn't the reason we need a DOF/Technical Board - Bettis and Hoyland are. If I could have my own way I'd have Wilder locked in the room with the first team and told to get on with the job of winning games and have more qualified people around him to do the rest of it.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Don't you think that Bettis in fact a defacto DOF?

A DoF is usually a football person though, directing a playing philosophy through the club and a transfer strategy. Bettis might have a hand in doing those things at the moment, but he's not a football expert.

 

[Nick Jansky]

A DoF is usually a football person though, directing a playing philosophy through the club and a transfer strategy. Bettis might have a hand in doing those things at the moment, but he's not a football expert.

His understanding of the game will be at least as good as the vast majority on here and better than most. But I agree that he isn’t qualified to be a DoF.

 

[KMC-1889]

His understanding of the game will be at least as good as the vast majority on here and better than most. But I agree that he isn’t qualified to be a DoF.

Much like Wilder he only knows success at Sheffield United, and most of that success was a short term over performance of a great first 16.

If we want to move on as a club we need a senior team with a wider range of experience. There’s already promising rumours about some of the commercial deals coming next season on the back of the new board member from Barca.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Much like Wilder he only knows success at Sheffield United, and most of that success was a short term over performance of a great first 16.

If we want to move on as a club we need a senior team with a wider range of experience. There’s already promising rumours about some of the commercial deals coming next season on the back of the new board member from Barca.

Wilder has had plenty of success away from Sheffield United.