Get Wilder gone and stop the delusion.

[Nick Jansky]

Why are our players always "cooked" and other teams who have played a similar number of games gambolling around like Foals?

Because athleticism and conditioning don’t matter when you have pashun.

 

[BocciaBlade]

Yet again we’ve had to watch an opposition manager make changes at half time and completely change the game while Wilder and co do, well, god knows what?

We need to thank him for getting us out of the relegation zone and send him on his way with the happy memories of his first spell as manager.

It’s time to move on and take time to reassure all aspects of the club and see how we can take a more modern approach and hopefully build for the future.

And can we please move on from the delusional view that we can still make the playoffs, it’s embarrassing and has been for weeks.

Who would you go for? I said that sacking Chris Wilder wasn’t the mistake it was who we replaced him with in Selles.I haven’t got any confidence in the owners to have any ideas or more importantly the football knowledge to get the next appointment right.Long term I’d agree CW isn’t the answer (and he’d probably say that himself)and a younger manager with different ideas should be looked at BUT personally I think CW has worked wonders this season to get us to mid table and safe after the disaster of Selles which has set us back at least a year.You really do have to be careful what you wish for.
Regards to play offs it was always a bridge too far for me and the way they’ve gone for us before I’m quite happy to leave others to suffer the disappointment of missing out on a promotion to a league i don’t really want to be in?

 

[GymClassHero]

After hearing Rosen's speech the other day talking about how thankful he was that Wilder agreed to come back and what a mistake it was to sack him one thing's for sure, unless there's a catastrophic Selles-like run of games Wilder will be here for a while.

This is my fear and exactly what I was thinking listening to it. Wilder is going nowhere anytime soon but I don't hold this season against him. He was brought back and told to keep us up, he's done that.

I'm not trying to defend him, but after 3 games at the start of the season I think even the biggest Wilder hater wanted him back. It could be a lot worse - and I think that that statement is largely what's wrong as a club "it's not going catastrophically, therefore it could be worse, therefore let's stay as we are."

 

[Keen Blade]

This is a big part of the problem. We need to bring in someone above first team manager level who can develop and implement a plan for the long term.

We will never progress until the Bettis/Wilder axis of power is removed

 

[Keen Blade]

And Brewster when we needed a CH to replace JoC , instead of hoping JoC would miraculously recover , having played him injured

 

[TJ blade]

Yet again we’ve had to watch an opposition manager make changes at half time and completely change the game while Wilder and co do, well, god knows what?

We need to thank him for getting us out of the relegation zone and send him on his way with the happy memories of his first spell as manager.

It’s time to move on and take time to reassure all aspects of the club and see how we can take a more modern approach and hopefully build for the future.

And can we please move on from the delusional view that we can still make the playoffs, it’s embarrassing and has been for weeks.

Play offs were never on mate, we all knew that, looking at this team its piss poor all over the team, defending been shit, slow piss poor midfield! Attacking wise take Bamford out and we would fighting to stay up! Chris got a stroke of luck signing him

 

[Kona]

I really am in two minds about this.

Part of me thinks that Wilder, as much as I like him, has lost his magic. I know this probably isn’t the team he’d have had if he hadn’t been sacked, but we’ve seen too many occasions where he’s reverted to negative tactics or we’ve been easily overrun or ineffective in areas… and I don’t see that changing this season or next.

The other part of me thinks that with less money available, he’s a good option. He seems to be able to pick a decent player when he has less money available or can at least get a tune out of the type of player we’re likely to be able afford.

That being said, I feel the first point will over shadow the second one. Also, if we have more performances like last night and the WBA game (amongst others), the support for him is likely to wain - and he doesn’t respond well in those situations.

 

[Keen Blade]

Well that’s a ridiculous defeatist mentality. Are the club still gonna employ wilder when he’s 78? There are plenty of young hungry managers out there that with a plan and a bit of backing could do well at a club like ours.

Wilder is the only man in England who has a 'job for life'.
Didn't you know ?
And then it'll be another Bladey Blade when Rosen appoints Billy Sharp.
Coz the owners have shit the bed once and will know no more about UK soccer ball when next required to make a decision.
They only know what Bettis tells them.
The club will never get out of its "old pals network".

 

[Badger Blade]

Wilder was the man for the job in the situation we found ourselves in after the ridiculous sacking in the first place. It wasn't as if we did a Luton last season and fall through the league or be as poor as Southampton or Leicester have been, relative to their expectation as relegated clubs. The football was boring but we got the job done most weeks in 3rd gear.

We've recently played 3rd gear football with a combination of less talented individuals and individuals whose talent seems to have deserted them. Cooper, Campbell and Hamer were key men last year to being key contributors why we haven't performed this time.

He's the big Sam/Warnock type who can get a tune out of a team of waifs and strays and has overall done a good job from where we were to where we are now, notwithstanding some poor recent performances and throwing away any chance at the play offs.

He'll be the man for the job next season as a club having to compete on an even keel with Championship mainstays like Bristol City, Preston, QPR, Millwall (if they don't go up), Derby etc and cobbling together a squad on a shoestring with loans, frees, swaps and the odd small fee. That's his MO and is one he's proven to be pretty good at.

The issue lies with the next part - he can make us competitive, he could even get us to the Premier League but Chris Wilder is not the man who can keep us there.

I don't necessarily know who IS the right man to get us some semblance of Premier League sticking power (Farke, if Leeds bin him at some point??, Dyche?) but is seemingly something that the people running the show at the club, going way back, have a rotten record at attempting where we're consistently found wanting in a combination of mindset, tactics and recruitment.

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

If , and it's a big fkin if, Wilder is replaced we need someone who can attract young talent and stop the parade of 'experienced" on the way down players. I get you need some experience but we are taking the piss. Who can attract young talent.....not a fkin clue, just like the owners

 

[pedro]

This is my fear and exactly what I was thinking listening to it. Wilder is going nowhere anytime soon but I don't hold this season against him. He was brought back and told to keep us up, he's done that.

I'm not trying to defend him, but after 3 games at the start of the season I think even the biggest Wilder hater wanted him back. It could be a lot worse - and I think that that statement is largely what's wrong as a club "it's not going catastrophically, therefore it could be worse, therefore let's stay as we are."

How do you know that Chris Wilder was told to keep us up?

 

[ATL Recs]

Add in young, weak and slow and I think we've described our entire squad with the exception of Peck, Brooks and Seriki

And those threes are our most sellable assets probably gone in the Summer

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Cannon & Campbell being the players he signed?

Also being fair to Campbell, he was good last season. We do need rid of him in the summer, but he's not a dud signing given that he came in on a free and was top scorer.

 

[metalblade]

And those threes are our most sellable assets probably gone in the Summer

And who could blame them if offers come in which they will even if it is from other Championship clubs with ambition.

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

How do you know that Chris Wilder was told to keep us up?

If they'd wanted us relegated they could have kept Selles in

 

[metalblade]

Also being fair to Campbell, he was good last season. We do need rid of him in the summer, but he's not a dud signing given that he came in on a free and was top scorer.

Top scorer you say ............ his 11 goals last season says it all, a 20 goal a season striker he is not and likely never will be.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

Multiple factors. Attitude. When we sign players (Jan, mid season are sub optimal). For the youngsters the amount of football they're playing/burnout. Well run clubs bring the majority of their players in during the summer window, put them through a rigorous pre season and have them up to match fitness after a few two/three game weeks. That hasn't been United in the past two years.

We have plenty of time now to avoid this situation, plan and sort our squad out before the last minute panic buys of previous seasons.

 

[Willglynning]

I really wish we’d just stuck with Heckingbottom.


We were on a hiding to nothing that season anyway, and he’s shown that he’s much more tactically astute and versatile than the current iteration of Wilder.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I really wish we’d just stuck with Heckingbottom.


We were on a hiding to nothing that season anyway, and he’s shown that he’s much more tactically astute and versatile than the current iteration of Wilder.

He isn't. He really isn't.

 

[Tarqs]

He isn't. He really isn't.

You say that, but even in his best spell (overlapping etc), Wilder has never had a plan B.

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

We have plenty of time now to avoid this situation, plan and sort our squad out before the last minute panic buys of previous seasons.

Got bad news for you...panic buys, last minute deals it's what we do

 

[Houston_Blade]

Wilder’s going nowhere.

He’s steadied the ship this season, then a few people have got carried away and decided that we should get in the play-offs. We needed top 2 form for that and we’ve got a mid-table squad with a few decent players and a lot of very inconsistent players.

If we don’t get top 8 next season we should look to replace and actually interview a few managers and pick a decent one, not someone that the players have zero respect for.

We’ll be selling Peck and Hamer this summer, possibly Brooks. That’s a lot of creativity lost and will need replacing for a fraction of the sales price.

We might get the good Arblaster back with a few months to recuperate. We also need some physical specimens in the squad and we’ll be fine in my opinion.

Oh, get a decent strength and conditioning coach in so we don’t look dead on 60 mins.

 

[TJ blade]

Wilder’s going nowhere.

He’s steadied the ship this season, then a few people have got carried away and decided that we should get in the play-offs. We needed top 2 form for that and we’ve got a mid-table squad with a few decent players and a lot of very inconsistent players.

If we don’t get top 8 next season we should look to replace and actually interview a few managers and pick a decent one, not someone that the players have zero respect for.

We’ll be selling Peck and Hamer this summer, possibly Brooks. That’s a lot of creativity lost and will need replacing for a fraction of the sales price.

We might get the good Arblaster back with a few months to recuperate. We also need some physical specimens in the squad and we’ll be fine in my opinion.

Oh, get a decent strength and conditioning coach in so we don’t look dead on 60 mins.

Peck and Hamer are not prem player's, Brooks maybe after another season in the championship, we're a average championship side whats carrying a load of shite.

 

[Missing Spark]

He isn't. He really isn't.

Alright Lee Hendrie , calm down x

 

[calcalcal]

Wilder is the only man in England who has a 'job for life'.
Didn't you know ?
And then it'll be another Bladey Blade when Rosen appoints Billy Sharp.
Coz the owners have shit the bed once and will know no more about UK soccer ball when next required to make a decision.
They only know what Bettis tells them.
The club will never get out of its "old pals network".

They appointed slav and he was crap

 

[YES Blade]

How do you know that Chris Wilder was told to keep us up?

There is no way the owners got Wilder back and told him the target was to stay up. We were only 4 points behind 4th bottom after 5 matches. Staying up was a certainty!

The owners got Wilder back because they expected him to hit the ground running and push for promotion. Why else would you bring him back?